Cheney Was Drunk As Hell-- Point Blank.

[BamaLefty]

Any reason why the Deputy wasn't allowed to speak to Cheney? Hmmm... Please, what a bunch of crap.

Good, moral, upstanding Dick was hittin the sauce and shot a man because of it.

[BuyingThyme]

1. Yes, drunk off his ass, with an extra kick from the meds.

They sobered him up before even breaking silence.

Simple stuff.

[fiveleafclover]

4. Three hours would be enough time

to sober up, at least most of the way. Enough to give the impression of sobriety, anyway. But is he even healthy enough to drink?

[BuyingThyme]

11. He's clearly eating big, so drinking big is not likely a big deal to him.

[fiveleafclover]

23. He must be hitting the DC area buffets with Scotty

They both seem to be blowing up as of late. Some people like to eat a lot when they're worried...

[dchill]

28. "Some people like to eat a lot when they're worried..."

Unless they can't afford it because they've just lost their jobs and/or benefits. But then again, the idea of Americans losing benefits would just make Cheney hungrier, too. It would also probably make him feel like killing something.

[fiveleafclover]

32. Very true

What a wonderful country we live in...where the regular working people get the shaft, and that snarling bastard can shoot somebody in the face and have his lackies try to blame it on the victim.

[murray hill farm]

16. 3 hrs would not have saved him!

blood alcohol testing can account for time passed...and three hours would not be near enough to clear the body of it...22 hours might, though.

[fiveleafclover]

22. That's true, but what I meant was

if he was staggering drunk, 3 hours could have been enough to make him appear sober. But you're right, 3 hours isn't enough time to clear a breathalyzer.

A reporter for a local tv station where I am is currently doing a big story on whether or not you can still be legally drunk the morning after a big bender. They're hyping the hell out of it. I wasn't going to watch it, but now maybe I will.

[murray hill farm]

27. IN several scandinavian countries..most notably Finland...

most dui citations are issued in the morning and a designated driver for morning is considered a must...the fines and prison sentences are also extreme there..check it out!

[fiveleafclover]

31. Wow, I didn't know that

I don't have a lot of patience with people who are willing to put everybody else's lives at risk by driving drunk. Every country should look into passing laws like that. Of course it won't happen. I wonder if the brewing companies and such would be against that type of legislation?

[converted_democrat]

52. Depends on how much he drank.. (My SO used to own a bar)

The rule that they always went by was an hour for every ounce of alcohol consumed.. So, if a person drank 3 shots it would take 3 hours for it to clear the system enough to give the appearance of sobriety... 6 shots would take 6 hours.. It's a rule that most in the bar industry use because it works for everyone no matter body type, and it transcends tolerance levels as well..

on edit- Same rule applies for beer.. 1 hour for every beer consumed..

[Drifter]

50. Indeed ... And that is why he will never comment ...

publicly. He doesn't remember it.

Cheers
Drifter

[Atman]

2. How about: the deputy hadn't been cleared by the SS?

You're forgetting who we're talking about...one of the two most paranoid men on the planet. They only speak to screen, loyalty-oathed audiences. Any number of people around the world would love to see either of them offed. Do you really think some guy in a uniform can just walk up and say "I want to talk to the Vice President?"

You wanna buy a bridge?

[slor]

8. No, but this was not just "guy in a uniform"...

This was a member of the local authorities investigating a shooting. There is a reason why he did not talk to him, my guess is alcohol. In any event, his refusal to talk, only made matters worse.

[Warren Stupidity]

40. Aren't you speculating about that?

I thought you indicated elsewhere in this thread that speculation in this was just wrong. My mistake, I must have misread your post.

[ronnykmarshall]

3. That guy said sumthin' about Lynn.

Dick got pissed and shot his ass.

[The_Casual_Observer]

5. What other logical explanation could there be?

It's the only reasonable conclusion.

[Atman]

6. It is NOT the "only reasonable conclusion!"

Have you even TRIED to reach any other "reasonable conclusions," or is this one just the easiest to settle upon?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

14. Considering who we're discussing, what other conclusion....

...do you believe to be "reasonable"?

[The_Casual_Observer]

15. Like what? He had other priorities?

Oh, and there was a beer or two around there maybe, ah, scratch that...

I'm willing to give cheney the benefit of the doubt, sure.

[leftofthedial]

7. i think just his pure arrogance and egomania would account for the delay

and other actions since

but I'll bet he was ripped

[kerry-is-my-prez]

9. Remember - he's had at least 2 dui's.

I say at least because he's probably had more - but got off.

[Atman]

18. They were 30 years ago.

Even The Smoking Gun says so. They were first reported to the press in 1989. Even the Smoking Gun says that Cheney's DUI's really were probably youthful indiscretions, unlike Bush's. Look it up! People have just gone NUTS here today, speculating.

I posted two links to medical sites regarding alcoholic cardiomyopathy, and only three people bothered to even do 5 seconds of research on it. But EVERYONE on DU is ready to line up with the "facts" that they know for certain, pinky swear, no other explanation, Cheney was drunk.

We're not doing ourselves proud here today.

[mom cat]

24. He has had a chauffeur for the last 30 years!

[BamaLefty]

34. It's common sense

If it was truly an accident, then why not just talk to the damn Deputy and get it over with? Cheney had Beam all down his throat and couldn't be nabbed.

We're not stupid. It's pretty obvious.

[Atman]

35. I think it is stupid to make comments like "it's pretty obvious"

...when you simply DON'T KNOW. You're only speculating. And in the process, calling everybody ELSE stupid who doesn't share your speculation.

[Warren Stupidity]

39. Yes it is very irresponsible, unworthy of us

we are not behaving properly at all. We certainly should not speculate about what might have happened here. We should wait patiently for all the facts to not come in, for the official investigation to never happen, for the trail to go cold, for the spin masters to get their memes out into the public sphere. Then, once we don't have all the facts that will never be forthcoming from the official investigation that will never happen, we should carefully weigh everything and make sure that we don't make allegations that are fully substantiated. Good point.

[Theres-a]

48. If I may

It was alot harder to get a DUI back then.Cops would follow you home,or even drive you.Nowadays,a little old lady has a glass of wine with dinner and gets a DUI.Generally speaking,people who drink excessively don't grow out of it,they get worse.So,it is well within the realm of possibility he was boiled as an owl.However,I have no opinion,there is yet no proof that I can see.

[bmbmd]

53. I didn't see anybody claim Cheney had

alcoholic cardiomyopathy-but you could sure make a case for so-called "Holiday Heart Syndrome."

[cliss]

10. If "Duck it's Dick" was drunk

on Saturday, I wonder if he would be hung-over 3 days later. I just looked at some photos from 'Friendly Fire From Dick' at the White House earlier today.

He didn't really look hung over, but I could be wrong. I just don't know about the guy ....

[malaise]

12. Well I don't know

but the hunting accident happened at 5.30pm so I am going to assume that they had a few bloody mary's before that sprawling southern lunch and a few glasses of wine with lunch and maybe a few shots of bourbon or brandy after lunch:rofl: :rofl: That would make sense.

[mwb970]

47. Actually it turns out it was at 5:50, I heard.

Practically sunset, not a good time to hunt quail, even tame, grounded, carefully placed quail that you drive your car up to and kill.

[FightingIrish]

13. OK, so he gets a little drunk and blasts the nearest easy

target. Does that mean he can't be trusted to be the man really in charge of the world's largest nuclear arsenal? So he wasn't overly eager for us to know the truth. Does that mean we can't trust everything he tells us? I think he was just letting off steam before launching his next war. Cut him some slack.

[Zen Democrat]

17. Why is no one questioning the names of people in the hunting party?

I first heard there were about a half dozen in the hunting group. Now, we only hear about Cheney, Whittington, and the Ambassador to Switzerland.

Who else was there? Does anyone know what Antonin Scalia was doing this weekend?

The delay could have been to allow some of the parties to leave the area before the news broke.

Or, Cheney could have been drunk off his ass.

[arcane1]

26. or delayed to get their story straight

[Warren Stupidity]

41. two rich old farts, two younger women.

Hmmmm....

Nah, nothing there. Pay no attention. Don't you dare speculate. There is no scandal here.

[LiberalinNC]

19. If I was Whittinghton's wife, you know I'd be talking w/ an attorney!

:mad:

[Caution]

20. Please don't make unfounded accusations. This doesn't help.

There is no evidence whatsoever currently that Dick Cheney was drunk. Making unfounded accusations just because we hate the guy and his policies doesn't help.

[Warren Stupidity]

42. Yeah that never works.

For example it certainly didn't work against John Kerry, or John McCain, or Mike Dukakis.

[ClintonTyree]

21. Drunk and "hunting" with a woman other than his wife.........

what will his good christian followers think? My, my! :blush:

[kerry-is-my-prez]

25. Article that says Cheney almost shot people before & is "a maniac w/a gun"

I don't know how reputatble this is......

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_505.shtml
Madsen also reported, "WMR has learned that this incident is not the first involving Cheney and hunting accidents. According to informed sources on Maryland's Eastern Shore, two years ago Cheney was shooting at ducks from a duck blind in Trappe, a Maryland Eastern shore town where former Secretary of State James Baker III maintains a residence. The sources reveal that Cheney nearly accidentally shot half of his hunting party and Secret Service detail. Eyewitnesses to the Maryland duck hunting incident claim that Cheney is 'trigger happy' and a 'maniac with a gun.'"

Trigger happy?" A "maniac with a gun?" That's quite a contrast to the tales now being told about Cheney being so "safety conscious."

[ConcernedCanuk]

30. "Trigger happy?" A "maniac with a gun?" " - The USA Admin in a nutshell !!

.
.
.

The rest of the world is just waiting to take the USA down

Known around the globe as "self appointed police of the world"

Invading a defenseless country that was no threat and not at war with anyone

Bombing countries just for a fear(terror) factor

Now nations are structuring there trade AROUND the USA, not WITH them - even us Canuks are expanding our markets of lumber, petroleum products, etc with China, Russia and so on

Even us mild-mannered Canuks are getting tired of the bully south of our border

As is the rest of the World

The so called "Project for a New American Century" is the death sentence of the superiority ( and definitely any respect left) for the USA

I have no idea how long it will take -

But the USA, without an almost IMMEDIATE turnaround in foreign policy and aggressiveness is due to fall - - -

Just like every other "Empire" the world has known -

Of course, an honest record and teaching of History to the American people mighta helped some . . .

But much of the REAL history is "classified" of course

So the masses are not ignorant for lack of their own intelligence,

but because they trusted their governments to be honest with them - -

Misplaced trust I'm afraid . .

(sigh)

[Hissyspit]

36. Not allowed to link to Madsen on DU. n/t

[Retrograde]

29. Now, now, some of us

are capable of inflicting major damage on ourselves without any chemicals, legal or otherwise. At least I only managed to injure myself in a couple of stupid accidents.

I don't know whether alcohol was involved - wouldn't be surprised if it were - but that doesn't excuse anything.

[Sequoia]

33. Cheney's Got a Gun

Dum, dum, dum, Cheney what have you done?
Dum, dum, dum it's the sound of my gun.
Dum, dum, dum, Cheney what have you done?
Dum, dum, dum it's the sound

Cheney's got a gun
Cheney's got a gun
His whole world's come undone
From not lookin' where he aimed
What did the lawyer do?
What did he put you through?
They said when Cheney was arrested
they found him underneath a train
But man, he had it comin' Now that Cheney's got a gun
He ain't never gonna be the same.


With pardons to Arrowsmith

[jbnow]

37. We don't know he was but

if he'd been drinking it would explain every part of the puzzle of this situation.

[Cocoa]

38. I think Armstrong's "a beer or two" was a euphemism

I bet the whole group was liquored up on the hard stuff.

[bklyncowgirl]

43. This is the only theory that makes sense.

Why else would the local cops be told they couldn't talk to Cheney until the next day?

Why the delay in informing the media?

Why the rather odd decision to break this through the owner of a ranch in a local newspaper where the reporter on weekend duty's only response was WHAT!! Instead of to the White House press corps where old newshawks like Helen Thomas and David Gregory would have ripped them to shreds.

The only other possibility is that there was something going on between Cheney and one of the female guests at the ranch and they didn't want to let that get out. This could be true but I think that the real reason is that Deadeye Dick's blood alcohol level was over the limit and that would have raised the stakes from an accidental shooting to criminally negligent behavior.

[Vickers]

44. Yup, drunk and dropped his shotgun.

I am *personally* familiar with (though not responsible for :P) 6 shooting accidents:

- 3 while hunting
- 2 while cleaning
- 1 at a range

Of those 6, 4 involved alcohol. All 3 of the ones while hunting, and one of the cleaning incidents.

So the alcohol angle makes sense to me.

For the folks saying "He wouldn't be drinking alcohol because of his medical conditions!!!" I'd just like to say that alcoholics (or alcohol abusers) do not always have self-preservation in mind.

Just ask my dad (RIP).

[SammyWinstonJack]

45. About 10 years ago, I was driving on a farm to market road in

comal county, texas when stopped at an intersection this F-350 with a cattle guard slammed into my camaro and pushed me through. Tore up the back half of my car. We both pulled into a C-store parking lot. The moran driving the F-350 got out, blood on his hands and a fifth of Jack Daniels rolled out of the truck. He'd been hunting. Cop shows up, cites the guy for failure to stop, excessive speed and on his way he goes. I wait for the tow truck.

[Loge23]

46. The story is as clumsy as the accident

Surely, there's fire behind all of this smoke.
The massive, and master, spin machine cobbled together a very clumsy story designed to whisk away the incident as a perfectly normal hunting accidnet.
What nonsense.
This story is about as convincing as Rosemary Woods secretarial prowess.
This admin will not come clean at this point. However, this will provide a very convenient drop-off point for cheney to exit stage right.
Like rove, he'll remain in power out of the limelight.

[symbolman]

49. Okay, here's what I consider responsible speculation

First: Just how MANY drugs is Cheney ON at any given time? Remember he's had quite a few heart attacks so he's got something perculating through his system, from blood thinners to whatever else, sometimes you get adverse reactions to drug mixtures, so you can get light headed, have vision problems, etc..

Second: He had KNEE surgery not too long ago, so he is probably now the proud owner of a pair of "trick Knees", anyone who has a trick knee knows that they can go out at any time and when one or both fail you go DOWN, sometimes you spin in a circle, since the human body has to go somewhere as you go down, if one leg is holding up better than the other you will SPIN.

Third: He has a device planted inside of his body that will SHOCK his heart if it is not behaving, ticking like a clock. I'm sure that the reactions to this pacemaker or defibrillator (sp), can range from a slight shudder, to coming in his pants, to smelling BREAD, to a complete collapse.

SO, I think that it's very possible, his vision was screwed from a drug cocktail, not neccessarily alcohol needs to be involved, his blood pressure was UP, probably due to the BABES in the car he wanted to show off for as well as the "thrill" of the "hunt".

He jumps out of the car, can't see, head pounding from high blood pressure, runs or moves too fast for his heart to catch up, starts to fall as one or both of his trick knees quit on him (maybe it's not getting the messege from the brain it needs), and so he SPINS around - most people that feel like they are falling tend to want to clutch something to keep from falling - so he pulls the trigger, basic response.

The result? He Shoots someone who was BEHIND him as he spins and clutches the trigger, and the rest is whatever they think they can pull over on us.

Voila, hopefully I have not given them the excuse they need to make this a medical claim by Cheney - even MORE of an accident and believeable at that.

If these fuckers hired me I could fool the public a LOT better, but it would have to be a LOT of money, and they'd have to listen better :)

Possible?

[newportdadde]

51. Certainly sounds possible it also fits how they would react to it.

Rather then just be honest about that scenario which would have been an honest accident they start immediate cover up so the VP doesn't appear week/fragile.