Warning! Very Graphic! I'm a bad person (pic heavy)

[Solly Mack]

Things I find far more disturbing than a Bush/Cheney cronie being shot by Cheney.

Things that bother me far more than the potential death of Whittington ever will.

If that makes me a bad person - Oh.Fucking.Well.

Want to see a "real" victim of Cheney's?

Try these victims of Bush/Cheney policies. Policies, I will dare say, Whittington supported each and every single time he gave money to Bush and Cheney - each and every time he pulled the lever for Bush/Cheney.(or any other Republican)

Does that mean Whittington deserves to die? NO

But, if some don't mind (and even if they do), I'll reserve my sympathy for these victims.




Dead/Injured (mangled) Iraqi Children





Abu Ghraib


http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2004/06/13/abughraib_dog_torture_430,0.jpg

Link to newer Abu Ghraib photos:
http://smh.com.au/ftimages/2006/02/15/1139890768847.html


Dead/Injured(mangled) soldiers





And yes, some of the dead troops supported Bush/Cheney - but they put on that uniform and backed up their vote with actions. They didn't just support Bush/Cheney from the comfort of their living rooms or the board room. Agree with them or not(and I don't), they did exactly what so many on DU challenges them to do(including myself). Support Bush? Then go fight. Well, they did - and died.

Katrina Victim/Survivors





I don't wish Whittington dead - but if it's all the same to some people, my sympathy is with the actual victims of Bush and Cheney.

I hope Cheney does go down for shooting Whittington - but how messed up is that? After all the lies, all the cheating, all the stealing and all the killing - that Cheney goes down for shooting his own supporter? Look at those pictures and think about how fucked up that is - Cheney can't be brought down for his crimes against the American people (and the Iraqis and Afghanis) - but he shoots one cronie and BAM!

Shows exactly who is valued and who isn't.

[Karenina]

1. Indeed it DOES.

:loveya:

[Solly Mack]

3. I'm in tears, Karenina

This is all just so fucked up.

[Binka]

9. Sister Friends I'm Crying I Am So Lucky My Ben Is Alive

I grieve for all the others who paid too high a price just for the "privilege" of being a pawn in the NEO-CON game. I shed NO TEARS for Mr Whateverthefuckhisnameis, he is the ENEMY. He and his ilk have unleashed the horror we see in the photos above. I do not have sympathy for rich, white, elitist, sons of bitches, who would even consider being within 1 foot of DickWad Cheney and NOT PISS ON HIM.

No my sympathy is with all the people all over the world who lives are forever ruined by this evil. The other night Ben called to wish me a Happy Birthday and we talked for a long time and it was late here and I was wiped and I started to cry. Now usually Ben says "Mom Mom it'll be OK" but he didn't this time he started crying too.

[Solly Mack]

10. (((((Binka))))))) ((((((Ben)))))

"Now usually Ben says "Mom Mom it'll be OK" but he didn't this time he started crying too."

Oman - YES! I'm at that point too! Saying it'll be OK - then looking around and not being able to see "how" it will ever be "OK" again...I can't say the words "It'll be OK" either




Happy (belated) Birthday!!!

[liberal N proud]

2. Thanks for the reality check!

Dick Cheney shooting a 78 year old man in the face only points out that they would screw up anything they touched.

ANYTHING.
They should be made to pay for the things that went on while they were in charge... Iraq, Katrina, the economy, the environment and so much more.

[Solly Mack]

4. It's tearing me up - it really is

One man - against all those victims.

[Karenina]

35. The Bush Presidency In A Single Shotgun Blast

Plaid Adder Tue Feb-14-06 07:15 PM


I've figured out why this story is resonating. I mean, apart from the mindblowingness of the fact that the Power Behind The Throne just shot a 78 year old guy in the face--and, it now appears, in the heart.

To the rest of the world, this is what America is now: an over the hill, bloated, inconsiderate jerk toting a dangerous weapon he doesn't know how to use on the hunt for an enemy which any rational person can see poses NO threat to him--and who, in the process of missing his target, manages to maim his own allies.

And then, as EarlG so rightly points out, blames the victim.

Yeesh.

The Plaid Adder

[Solly Mack]

42. Exactly. The incident encapsulates the entire Bush/Cheney Regime

It has become America.

[Road Scholar]

5. Wow, what a reality check and slap in the face. It's a pity that

that we couldn't give that to the repugs in control. The biggest tragedy is that some we know could look at those pics and not be particularly moved.

[Solly Mack]

6. True - some will not be moved at all

and that is a huge tragedy

[LWolf]

15. I don't see it as an either/or situation.

I don't believe that people who care that the vice president of the U.S. is trigger happy even with his own friends care more about that than the atrocities perpetrated by this administration. I think you can care about both.

We've known all along that many bush supporters don't care about the victims of their empire-building wars. So when opportunity knocks, we take the chance to ring some bells. The shooting incident is, at the least, a monumental embarrassment for republicans and, incidentally, for this nation. Every embarrassment is political fodder in the current civil conflict. It may help to reduce some of the influence the invisible puppet master holds over his puppet. I think it's ok to use whatever opportunity this event offers.

That doesn't mean we should allow it to destract us from the atrocities we're trying to bring an end to. It's just another tool in the process.

[Solly Mack]

16. Yes, I recognise Cheney shooting the lawyer as a "tool in the process"

... I said as much in the OP

but it still is majorly fucked up that war crimes can't do it/Katrina response can't do it(and all the other worse crimes can't do it) - but shooting his own supporter can?

It reflects what is valued. Clearly reflects it.

[LWolf]

25. You are correct, of course.

The fact is that the values espoused by the U.S. as a nation are apalling: self-centered greed and celebration of bullyhood over empathy, integrity, and truth.

This isn't new. It was just as apalling before the Cheney shooting as after. How do you propose that we shift the conversation to the values that the U.S. lives, rather than the values they talk about?

[Solly Mack]

27. A combined effort - an impossible undertaking

impossible only because it does require a combined effort - and it will be hard to shift certain elements

Start with grass roots - as cliche as that is - it's true.

Take back our public schools - go into neighborhoods and work with communities...run for local office - then branch up and out

Demand more, much more, from our representatives - and realize that we're in for the long haul to achieve change. As painful as it may be for some, vote out those not willing to work for change.

A Press that is willing to address these issues.

Accept that, yes, it is a cultural war and the other side ain't shooting with blanks.

and that's only a teeny tiny start - and even then - it'll take years.

[Surya Gayatri]

44. You're right Solly, it's taken 40 years to arrive at this point,

and there is no quick fix in sight. One step at a time, school board member by city councilor by local sheriff. The damage done has penetrated deep into the body politic and social fabric. SG

[RagingInMiami]

7. These fuckers in the WH are the grim reaper themselves

Death is everywhere because of them.

[Solly Mack]

8. They are indeed death and destruction

nothing else

[atommom]

11. What a world we live in. It's mind-boggling.

But thanks for reminding us that this is bigger than one unfortunate lawyer.

[Solly Mack]

12. It's a wonder our minds haven't shattered

it really is

[atommom]

13. Mine's only holding together because of the tinfoil and duct tape!

Just kidding... sort of.

[Solly Mack]

14. lol! I know what you mean exactly

I'm sitting in the pew with ya :)

[H2O Man]

17. Nominated.

I think that the democratic party should be known for compassion. That word, by definition, means that our sympathy is a passion that encompasses all suffering. Yet it does not blind us to the variations in suffering: some is caused by events outside one's control, while others cause their own suffering.

[Solly Mack]

20. I don't think he deserves to die

but I honestly don't have much sympathy for him in the grand scheme of things.

I'm not a good person. I see a Bush supporter and I see someone who doesn't matter who dies - as long as Bush looks good.

I don't want Whittington to die to make it worse for Cheney. But from where I'm sitting, Whittington is causing more of a scandal across the political divide than all the other crimes combined.

I know it can be "strange" what finally catches a person - but I think the outrage from all sides (and even some republicans are outraged - and the Press is chomping like a dog with a bone) reflects what people truly value.

[H2O Man]

23. I do not disagree

with anything you say here, with one exception. "I'm not a good person." Yes, you are.

[Solly Mack]

24. Thank you, H2O Man

That was kind of you. (I believe you mean it)

[Karenina]

36. We've so long since fallen through the looking glass...

I'm rooting for Harry's life, Molly Ivins call him "one of the "good ones." ;-) Forgive me, I quite frankly think it was less an "accident" and more Dickhead "acting out" in a state where the consequences were not the foremost thoughts in his mind. Harry from Funeralgate knows where ALL the bodies are buried. WH med staff will be certain to make sure he remembers NOTHING. My only hope is that his socialization would compel him, if in any state to do so, to pass on whatever he could.

If it takes one "good ol' boy" to take these predators down, so be it.

[Solly Mack]

41. I like Molly

but I know "good ol' boys" quite well - and they can be some of the meanest assholes on the face of the earth. Not mean 'cause they slap their wives or children around or kick puppies - but because they would cover up for another good ol boy that did , and then swear in church that he was the salt of the earth.

I want Cheney brought down - I want them all brought down.

[IndyOp]

18. It don't care what brings him down - He must be brought down and

we deserve the truth about *everything*. Right now these boards seem to be running on little more than steam from speculation -- and that can very quickly become a waste of time and energy.

[Solly Mack]

22. Oh, I want him brought down too

but it is still disturbing to know war crimes can't do it - but shooting a supporter can. It's a reflection of what is valued - and that doesn't speak well of America.

[IndyOp]

26. I hate to admit it, but your post made me laugh!!

Not what you said, but what it made me think about:

It is all "politics of the personal" -- not policy, not issues...

The big issue for Bush v Kerry was "which guy would you like to have a beer with"? Right?

So now we can answer this question about Cheney, "Would you like to have a beer with this guy?"

HELL NO!!!

:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Solly Mack]

28. LOL! Oh, I have a warped sense of humor

which is why I find it hilarious that Cheney shot his own supporter. How can you not? lol

[AndyA]

19. And this is all done in the name of what's good for America

I guess we just don't have the capacity to see the big picture the way the Bush Administration does. We are too stupid to know what's good for us.

Shocking and saddening pictures. Yet this is what has become of America under this administration. How will the world ever forgive us? How can we ever forgive ourselves?

We must make sure our elected representatives are changed so we can put a stop to this. We must make sure our elections in November are honest and accurate. Without that, we have nothing to look forward to.

[Solly Mack]

21. Well said!

Thank you

[DoYouEverWonder]

29. I put cards like these on peoples cars

It helps me feel a little better.

[Solly Mack]

31. I need to do something like that

Thanks! :)

[freefall]

37. Where do you get them? It would be great to put them on the windshields of

cars parked outside certain churches during Sunday service. I'm thinking of some of the holier-than-thou folks I know who think attacking and occupying other countries is OK.

Peace

freefall

[DoYouEverWonder]

39. I designed them

and then I print out a bunch at a time and keep them in my pocketbook.

Here's a version of one of the cards I use on a sheet of 4 up, suitable for printing. Just cut them into individual cards and you're good to go. Have fun.

?sdfa

[Solly Mack]

43. Awesome! Wow!

Thank you!!!!!

[freefall]

45. Thank you! Thank you! I will make good use of this link. n/t

[Bullwinkle925]

30. Job well done.

Would love to see this little 'slide show' shown to Scotty Mc Clellan and hear his sputtering asides.
'Tis sad indeed what this country has degenerated into.

[Solly Mack]

32. I can hear Scotty now

" Much like Iraq - Terrorists Quails were lurking in the bush and they had Whittington in their grasp - so Cheney did what he had to do - he liberated Whittington from the Quails. You can't compare Cheney saving his friend to a natural disaster that no one could have anticipated."

[Bullwinkle925]

46. the sonsabitches

have i said today how much i hate 'em all?????

i remember the nixonian years well - they pale by comparison to this bunch of arrogant greedy bastards.

[Loge23]

33. Keep this front and center.

The carnage caused by their arrogance.

[Solly Mack]

34. Thank you!

[countryjake]

38. You said it!

I reserve BOTH my sympathy and my outrage for the victims you have pictured in your post! I haven't been coming here for quite some time, til this week, but now that I'm back I can't help but be reminded how all the topics about meaningful issues drop like lead balloons (such as your heartfelt post, which I found on page seven), while all the superfluous hoopla and speculation about one somabich shooting another somabich full of birdshot spirals wildly on the front page.

On a day when other countries of the world are full of the news about the release of even more horrific Abu Ghraib photos that reinforce our nation's image as corrupt and inhumane, our own media can focus only on one insignificant hunting accident.

This trigger-happy war monger should be hauled before the Hague for the actions and policies he has forced upon millions of innocent people...him and all of his like-minded lackeys, superiors, and partners-in-crime. I want to see every last one of them punished for the devastation they have wrought in our world, and that does include even aging, wounded, lap-dog lawyers who probably will recover only to defend the nasty actions of this administration.

I can't help but think that our good ole USA "intelligence" got wind of that Aussie station's intention to bring more of the torture photos to the fore, so the spin doctors whipped into action to manufacture the perfect diversion. (How's that for a conspiracy theory, LOL!)

I could care less how many cronies our veep kills during his weekend parties...the man has the blood of tens of thousands of innocent people on his hands and for THAT he must be held accountable!

OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST and SOUTHERN ASIA, NOW!

NO MORE EMPIRE-BUILDING, ANYWHERE!

IMPEACH BUSH and CO.!

TO THE HAGUE WITH THE LOT OF THEM!

[Solly Mack]

40. Hi, countryjake

Thank you for your words! I do appreciate everything you said.

I'm not bothered by the Cheney threads. I've enjoyed quite a few of them and I still find it hilarious that Cheney shot his own supporter. I've a warped sense of humor and appreciate gallows humor and black comedy. Also, speculation does not bother me one bit - besides, I see quite a bit of it as levity. I think we need levity, especially now.

Also, the whole Cheney/Whittington incident sort of encapsulates the entire Bush/Cheney administration in my opinion. Arrogance,entitlement and thumbing their nose at the law - and then blaming the victim. (which Cheney originally did before his advisors figured it might play better if Cheney were to accept a limited, albeit qualified, responsibility for the shooting)

But the attitude that I must somehow feel bad for Whittington and have sympathy for him stuck in my crawl. Because I don't and I don't.

There are way too many actual victims of Cheney's excesses and arrogance. Those are the people I have sympathy for - not some Bush/Cheney crony.

I downloaded the bittorrent last night of the Dateline program. My husband and I watched in sickened silence. That Bush/Cheney are still free and not in jail for war crimes is beyond madness.
Both of them should have been in jail a long time ago - and not just them.

Thanks for listening.

Solly

[Clara T]

47. Empire n/t