ABC Nightline to air Secret Saddam tapes - Talks about using WMD on US!!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=\Nation\archive\200602\NAT20060215c.html

Secret Saddam WMD Tapes Subject of ABC Nightline Special
By Sherrie Gossett
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
February 15, 2006

(CNSNews.com) - Secret audiotapes of Saddam Hussein discussing ways to attack America with weapons of mass destruction will be the subject of an ABC "Nightline" program Wednesday night, a former federal prosecutor told Cybercast News Service.

The tapes are being called the "smoking gun" of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in Iraq. The New York Sun reported that the tapes have been authenticated and currently are being reviewed by the U.S. House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

The panel's chairman, Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-Mich.), declined to give the Sun details of the content or context of the recordings, saying only that they were provided to his committee by former federal prosecutor John Loftus.

Loftus has been tight-lipped about the tapes, telling the Sun only that he received them from a "former American military intelligence analyst." However, on Wednesday he told Cybercast News Service, "Saddam's tapes confirm he had active CW and BW programs that were hidden from the UN."

On Tuesday night, Loftus told Cybercast News Service that ABC's "Nightline" would air an "extensive report" on the tapes Wednesday night. Loftus also described an ABC News "teaser," which reportedly contains audio of Saddam Hussein discussing ways to attack America with WMD. "Nightline will have a lot more," said Loftus.

The tapes are scheduled to be revealed to the public Saturday morning at the opening session of The Intelligence Summit, a conference which brings together intelligence professionals from around the world.

Loftus is president of The Intelligence Summit. Its advisory council includes generals, a former F.B.I. official, a former senior Israeli Mossad officer and the former chair of the British Joint Intelligence Committee, according to information posted on the summit website. Currently a private attorney, Loftus says he works pro bono to help intelligence agents obtain lawful permission to declassify and publish the "hidden secrets of our times."

He purportedly has held some of the highest security clearances in the world with special access to NATO Cosmic, CIA codeword and Top Secret nuclear files.

This year's Intelligence Summit will bring together top terrorism experts including Dr. Rachel Ehrenfeld, author of "Funding Evil," 9/11 investigator Jean-Charles Brisard, author of "Zarqawi: the New Face of Al-Qaeda;" former CIA agent Michael Scheurer, author of "Imperial Hubris," and Richard Marcinko, former head of SEAL Team Six, and author of "Rogue Warrior."

The Intelligence Summit will be featured not only in the Wednesday Nightline report but also on ABC World News Tonight.

In a March 2005 addendum to the Iraq Survey Group (ISG) report on Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, ISG head Charles Duelfer wrote that while there continue to be reports of WMD in Iraq, the ISG found "such reports are usually scams or misidentification of materials or activities."

A limited number of cases involved the discovery of old chemical munitions produced before 1990, Duelfer wrote. He also reported in the addendum that a large collection of audiotapes from Iraq's Revolutionary Command Council meetings chaired by Saddam was in the process of translation. While he conceded there were "remaining uncertainties," the chief weapons hunter said it was "not likely" the documentation would provide "significant surprises" regarding WMD.

Loftus told Cybercast News Service that the documentation referenced by Duelfer ended in 1991, and was not related to the new audiotapes.

"here were no weapons," Sen. Hillary Clinton, (D-N.Y.) recently commented, "or if there were, they certainly weren't used or they were in some way disposed of or taken out of the country." Her comments were reported in The New York Sun.

On Tuesday night, Loftus praised a Cybercast News Service article published on Oct. 4, 2004, entitled Saddam Possessed WMD, Had Extensive Terror Ties.

The exclusive report featured documents showing numerous efforts by Saddam Hussein's regime to work with some of the world's most notorious terror organizations, including al Qaeda, to target Americans.

The documents also demonstrate that Saddam's government possessed mustard gas and anthrax, both considered weapons of mass destruction, in the summer of 2000, during the period in which United Nations weapons inspectors were not present in Iraq. The papers showed that Iraq trained dozens of terrorists inside its borders.

[Cooley Hurd]

1. CNSNews...

...is NOT to be trusted. Besides, Saddam probably said all sorts of crazy shit he couldn't back up. After all, he's CRAZY!!!! At least that's what Bush said...:crazy:

[underpants]

24. CNS NEws reporting on a New York SUN article no less

both are fake news organizations

[maxrandb]

48. Yes, But Please NOTE: It Has Made it's Way to ABC

This is how the repuke noise machine works. Some wing-nut Faux news outfit (think Faux News, Drudge, Newsmax, CNS) publishes a bogus story and "sex's" it up with some breathless hyperbole. Then talk radio takes it and runs with it 24/7. Talk radio then begins drumming up their rabid listeners and complaining about how the "liberal" media is "supressing" this "important" news story. They might also throw in a story or two, or an editorial in the Mooney Times, or any of the hundreds of faux newspapers owned by right wing wing-nuts.

Soon the cable networks run with it, and the broadcast ABC, CBS and NBC are pressured to tell the story, thus giving it legitimacy.

There is a great chapter in David Brocks book "The Right Wing Noise Machine" that details this pretty accurately.

Hell, 75% of Whitewater and the Clinton Impeachment can be traced to this Repuke noise machine.

If it weren't so insidious and damaging to our country, The Repuke Noise Machine would be a beautiful thing to watch.

That's why when Dems get back in power, the first order of business ought to be the destruction of that machine.

[Viking12]

55. Exactly. The details are irrelevant for propoganda purposes.

The tapes don't have to show any connection between Saddam and WMDs. Just talking about it is sufficient for these outlets to justify their bogus claims; "According to reports ______ is true."

[underpants]

58. Fully aware of it

Thanks for reminding me about Brock's book. I read "Blinded by the Right" I might check that one out.

75% ???

Having read "The Hunting of the Presidency" I would say more like 99% in that Clinton was the Governor of Arkansas and there was money exchanged over the Whitewater land (ALL lost by the Clintons of course). The whole thing was made up and falsely reported.

[malaise]

71. More bullshit n/t

[skylarmae]

2. Oh, please...give me a break

pardon me if I am a bit leary.....timing is everything, eh?

[Norquist Nemesis]

3. *coug*BULLSHIT!*cough

This would have been trotted out long ago. There'll probably be a nice, warm and fuzzy photo of Osama bin Laden on the corner of the desk, too!

[ProfessorGAC]

65. Well Said.

Obvious question would be: How could he use WMD's he didn't have? In the whole time we were there, we've found nothing, and inspectors were combing the country for 5 years before that and what they found they destroyed.

So, he was blustering about attacking america. So what? He didn't have the means, so it was an idle threat.
The Professor

[Norquist Nemesis]

66. If anything, it's probably about a week old

taken in the jail cell he's been occupying for the last two plus years or so. Or, it's film of his court appearances where he's shouting death to America and Bush! Either way, no WMD.

[Roland99]

4. Are these recordings Gen. Sands supplied from his "pilot" buddies

as the NY Sun reported recently?


Remember, the NY Sun is OWNED and OPERATED by the NEOCONS!

[Tulum_Moon]

5. Like anyone would fall for this

Even the neocons have got to start wondering soon.

[maxrandb]

51. Please see my post above

it's made it to ABC.

We yawn at this shit at our peril, and at considerable peril to our nation.

[quiet.american]

6. May I... *yawn*? n/t

[converted_democrat]

7. "Secret audio tapes" First question on my mind is has an outside

independent audio firm confirmed that is actually Saddam's voice?

[Roland99]

8. A bit about John Loftus >>>>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Loftus

Loftus also serves as a media commentator, appearing regularly on ABC National Radio and Fox News. On August 7, 2005, Loftus provided the La Habra, California address of a suspected terrorist named Iyad K. Hilal on Fox News. However, Hilal left the address three years previously and the home was currently owned by the family of Randy Vorick, who were subjected to threats and vandalism and required police protection. <1> Loftus said "I thought it might help police in that area now that we have positively identified a terrorist" but did not say why he did not contact police in a more direct manner. Loftus later apologized for the mistake.

[myrna minx]

11. Yeah...he's a real "journalist."

Ok...you've told me everything that I need to know about this bozo.

[Catherine Vincent]

9. Keep that hope alive, conservatives!

You'll get your wish one day. LOL!

[Dr. Jones]

10. Of course Saddam WANTED TO attack the U.S....

but the question is did he have the capability. From the lack of evidence of WMDs in Iraq, the answer is no. Alot of countries and terrorists WANT to see the U.S. attacked. But unless they possess the means to do so, it's all just a bunch of hot air.

[Norquist Nemesis]

23. Haven't you heard? Even Saddam thought he had WMD! n/t

[FearofFutility]

42. LOL!!

:rofl: This is just ridiculous.

[izzybeans]

99. It appears he expressed no intention of attacking the U.S.

He seems to be warning the U.S. that terrorism would be the next style of war and that terrorists were trying to get their hands on weapons. If they can not provide an exact date for the tapes, I would have a hard time interpreting these tapes as something other than the voice of man who thinks he is a U.S. ally. The rest appear to be strung together information from different time periods.

Later he seems intent on keeping the weapons capabilities provided to him by his former ally by hiding them from the U.N., which as it turns out pretty much locked him down and cleaned him out.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Investigation/story?id=1616996

[Tom Bombadil]

107. I don't think Saddam

did WANT to attack the US. Where's the evidence that he did? In Gulf War 1, the US DECLARED war on him. In March 2003 the US DECLARED war on him. When did Saddam ever declare war on the US or make it his intention to do so?

The fake news organisations in the OP are not legitimate.

[Nickster]

12. Does it sound like Cheney on the tape?

[flashdebadge]

13. Does Hillary think that Saddam had WMD?

"here were no weapons," Sen. Hillary Clinton, (D-N.Y.) recently commented, "or if there were, they certainly weren't used or they were in some way disposed of or taken out of the country." Her comments were reported in The New York Sun.

If Loftus who is said to "purportedly has held some of the highest security clearances in the world with special access to NATO Cosmic, CIA codeword and Top Secret nuclear files." new of any WMD why wouldn't he have put out this tape earlier? Loftus praised a Cybercast News Service article published on Oct. 4, 2004, entitled Saddam Possessed WMD, Had Extensive Terror Ties. Well why did he hold this info from us?

[Roland99]

14. Start digging folks. Loftus has to be linked to the PNAC neocons somehow

[flashdebadge]

15. How do we combat Saddam in his own words if this is true??

We need a strategy. You know the repugs will tout Saddam's words in their campaigns.

[converted_democrat]

19. It's an audio tape, and I didn't read where they had it independently

confirmed it is actually Saddam's voice..

[NFL80]

78. Link to podcast

http://a.abcnews.com/podcast/brianross.mp3

[converted_democrat]

80. And?

Where does it say that its been independently verified? And if Saddam was such a threat why did they wait 10 years to translate the tapes?? Give me a break..

[NFL80]

83. Link to ABCNEWS story.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Investigation/story?id=1616996

[Catherine Vincent]

26. They'd be a bunch of idiots if they did that.

They're just words. Saddam talking about wmds is not the same as having wmds.

[MadHound]

47. Bingo,

Hell, every year I talk about dropping a nuke on the Denver/Oakland game, but I certainly don't have any sitting in my garage. Talk is cheap, and lots of blowhards, Saddam included, will puff themselves up, exagerate and lie in order to project a tough image. But once the first punch is thrown they fold like a wet noodle. I'm positive that if Saddam had WMDs he would have used them when he had the chance. He didn't, and that speaks much more loudly than a bunch of unauthenticated audiotape.

[Roland99]

49. There's no way this tape is legitimate

If it is, how the hell did Loftus come by it and why hasn't someone in the Administration already been touting it as the proof for the invasion?

[maxrandb]

59. Hey Flash

Good luck trying to find anyone here that will defend Saddam. Me thinks you're trolling for something you won't find here.

Most of us, and most DEMS, and hopefully most Americans (once the fear shoved down their throats by Bush subsides), can think above the third grade level. One of the favored tools of the wing-nuts is the "strawman argument". Let me explain to you how it works.

Here is a tried and true Sean Insanity and Rush Limpballs strawman argument.

Rush, Insanity, or any other local wing-nut cookie-cutter neo-con radio host: "Well you've got the Dems out there calling Bush a liar."

Then Saddam calls Bush "a liar".

So in the world of 2 and 3 year olds, the logic goes; "Dems call Bush a liar. Saddam calls Bush a liar, ergo (that means "so") Dems are Saddam".

See how that works?

Now anyone with an education above the 6th grade level knows that argument is complete, unadulterated, bull-shit.

Freeper's however eat that shit up. That's how they can convince themselves that, even though I have worn the uniform of my country for over 20 years, and have served honorably...they, the "one-handed, keyboard commandos" that they are, are the true patriots, and I am a communist, terrorist sympathizer.

It's a crazy world.

If you're looking for someone to defend Saddam, or give him prominence, please visit Freaker Republic.com. Saddam's done a hell of a lot more to help the Repuke Party, then he has the Dems.

Wonder which party needs him more, huh?.

[AnnInLa]

74. Flash: What maxrandb said

[flashdebadge]

109. Boy, did you read my post wrong. Easy on the coffee man :)

I'm just thinking ahead that's all. I'm not the only one. Read down the posts and you'll see.

PS. GO BROWNS!

[Wordie]

101. Found PNAC link! Ledeen and Perle are speakers at Intelligence Summit!

I was looking through the Intelligence Summit site (they're the ones who are putting on the conference, and announcing this newly found wmd evidence), and guess what I found???

This is on their "Speakers & Organizers" page.

SPEAKERS
Bruce Aitken
Alex Alexiev
Luis Gil Armendariz
Maj. Eitan Arusy
Jed L. Babbin
Dr. Shmuel Bar
Zeyno Baran
Marshall Beddoe
Grant Begley
Ilan Berman
Jean-Charles Brisard
Dr. Parris Chang
Saber H. Chowdhury
Peter Clegg
Kevin G. Coleman
Victor Comras
Dr. Michael H. Corcoran
Col. Bill Cowan
Col. Gordon Cucullu
Michael W. Cutler
Nonie Darwish
Olavo de Carvalho
Bill DeGenaro
Dr. Jill Dekker
Andre DeMarce
Simon Deng
Robert M. Eisenberg
Dr. David H. Ellis
Beatrice Fernando
Brigitte Gabriel
Lance Gaines
Daveed Gartenstein-Ross
Dave Gaubatz
Mike German
Rebecca Givner-Forbes
Andy Green
Alain Grignard
Kim Guevara
Olivier Guitta
Wesley O. Hagood
Col. Jonathan Halevi
R. Mark Halligan, Esq.
Dr. Tawfik Hamid
David Hamon
Tom Harb
David Hardingham
Selina Hayes
Cptn. Richard Horowitz
Maneeza Hossain
G. Ken Hunter
Art Hutchinson
Alireza Jafarzadeh
Sunil James
Avi Jorisch
Shaykh Kabbani
Joe Kaufman
Hari H.S. Khalsa
Evan F. Kohlmann
Ali M. Koknar
Gen. Yossi Kuperwasser
Kenneth Kurtz
Dr. Michael A. Ledeen
Col. Juan C.F. Linares
Clare Lopez
Steven Lutz
Cdr. Richard Marcinko
Ryan Mauro
Linda McCarthy
Dr. James E. Miller, Jr.
Richard Miniter
Dan Moniz
Laurent Murawiec
Malcolm W. Nance
GySgt. Bob Newman
Kevin O'Connell
Sheikh Palazzi
Dr. Richard Parton
Joseph P. Payne
Richard Perle
Dr. Walid Phares
Walter Purdy
Entifadh Qanbar
Jamie Reid
Dr. Richard Reiner
Dr. Angel Ribasa
Billy Robinson
Rev. Keith Roderick
Ted Russell
Jesse Sage
Saleem Samad
Frank J. Sauer
Ken Sawka
Michael Scheuer
Stephen Schwartz
Brian Seymour
Dr. Hanan Shai
Eric Shawn
Walid Shoebat
Michael Shrimpton
Wayne Simmons
Erick Stakelbeck
Clark Staten
Joseph J. Stephanides
Alon Stivi
Hollice Stone
Mark A. Tanner
Dr. Peter E. Tarlow
Joseph Tenaglia
Tamar Tesler
Kenneth R. Timmerman
Dennis Treece
Maria Velez de Berliner
Lorenzo Vidino
Dr. Marta Weber
Christopher Westphal
Ira Winkler
Alexandre Winter, Ph.D.
Mark Zaid, Esq.
Jeremy Zakis

ORGANIZERS
Dr. Robert Katz
John J. Loftus
Steven Lutz
Lee Mason
Adam Shaneson
Scott Swanson

...We are especially grateful to our International Advisory Council
whose leadership will ensure that we maintain the highest standards.

Yossef Bodansky, former Director, Congressional Task Force on Terrorism Brent Budowsky, former Senior Staff Democratic Leadership
Dr. Rachel Ehrenfeld, Director, American Center for Democracy
Yoram Hessel, former Senior Mossad Officer, Israel
John Loftus, President, The Intelligence Summit
Lt. General Tom McInerney, US Air Force, (Ret.)
Dame Pauline Neville-Jones, former Chair, Joint Intelligence Committee, UK Steve Pomerantz, former Deputy Director and Director of Counterterrorism, FBI
Col. Oded Shoham, IDF (Res.), Israel
Major General Paul Vallely, US Army, (Ret.)
B. Raman, former Chief of the Counter-Terrorism Division of the Research & Analysis Wing (India)

http://www.intelligencesummit.org/speakers/

[TheGunslinger]

102. Bravo!

[AnneD]

16. Considering how they have technology

at the Sandia labs to morph voices now....I won't believe it, unless you can see SH clearly and his mistress says it is him. Sorry, this admin is UNTRUSTWORTHY. Makes me feel we are being PSYOP'ed

[Gidney N Cloyd]

17. It doesn't read like Nightline will air the tapes, just run a

story about them.
Seems a little hoaky.

[Jacobin]

18. Surely this guy hasn't been paid by Rumsfeld, et al to

'report positive news about the administration'.......

:eyes:

I call bullshit on this one.

[land of the free]

20. um, with WHAT WMDs?

Puh-lease.

[oneighty]

21. Marcinko

Some of my former Navy comrades are embarrassed by CMDR Marcinko.

And I believe them.

180

[mmonk]

22. These weapons were not operable because

of how old they are but we can't let the truth get in the way of the propaganda.

[madfloridian]

25. THIS John Loftus?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22john+loftus%22%2C+iraq&btnG=Search

[Wordie]

95. John Loftus, Fox News Military Analyst, Intel on war in Iraq and Terror.

Found through a variation of that search, madfloridian:

John Loftus, Former Justice Department prosecutor (Nazi war crimes unit) & Fox News Military Analyst, Intel on war in Iraq and Terror.
http://www.johnbatchelorshow.com/showDetail.cfm?id=15&start=261&groupStart=1

[LynnTheDem]

27. Except the tapes were stolen from the FBI and are YEARS OLD and

in fact DO NOT "discuss ways to attack America with weapons of mass destruction".

Our "media" on the ball as usual. :eyes:

[LynnTheDem]

30. Newsweek: Saddam Tapes: What They Don't Prove

The tapes were taken without permission from an FBI-run translation center, officials say, and are years old. Two government officials, requesting anonymity because of the sensitive subject, say the tapes in no way prove that WMD stockpiles or programs existed at the time of the U.S. invasion or were moved to another country before U.S. troops arrived
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11299205/site/newsweek

[Roland99]

54. AH HA HA HA HA HA HA!!

Just as I suspected.


More desperation from the NEOCON-run NY Sun.


Pathetic.

[land of the free]

105. NBC Nightly News tonight:

They didn't say anything about the tapes being taken without permission. However, they did clearly show excerpts from the transcripts where Saddam apparently said that (paraphrased here) sooner or later someone will attack America within its borders, such as a chemical or nuclear bomb in Washington... but it would not be done by Iraq.

(BTW, tell me someone that didn't say after 9/11?)

Then, Brian Williams ended the story by mentioning that security experts from our government agree that this DOES NOT prove that Saddam had WMD at any time.

[norml]

28. Now the Cons will be able to say "They were on Nightline"

Even if Nightline says they're piffle.

[DemInDistress]

29. smoking guns..just in time to bolster that idiot who wrote his book

saddam had wmd's..only took 34 months to complete..and since we doing smoking guns what about the 911 lies,omissions distortions and discrepancies? I counted more bullshit in the 911 report than saddam had wmd's.
everything, all the chaos in today's world was born on 911.A well planned well executed murder of our citizens and property with intentions of looting the treasury and erasing our civil liberties. This will be the 5th anniversary of those murders and QUESTIONS ABOUND. Lets get that on our menu and screw abc a puppet news org. controlled by the crime family..

[LynnTheDem]

37. The "smoking gun" is Hussein talking about how Iraq WON'T attack the US

He talks about DC being vulnerable to bio attacks but Iraq won't be involved in any attacks on the USA.

That's it.

Period.

[rucky]

31. and how old are these tapes? n/t

[LynnTheDem]

39. circa 1991-1992; stolen from the FBI

[rucky]

53. BFD, then. Why do they keep pushing 15-year-old intel on us?

and specifically don't mention the year?

I think I just answered my own question.

[Just Me]

73. Because it's all they have.

Manipulative assholes. They are STILL at it: defrauding the nation. I am SICK of it.

[FreedomAngel82]

32. So why just now?

Didn't they raid his palaces?

[savemefromdumbya]

33. Just like the fake Osama tapes -

if it's getting a bit too hot for the White House to hadle they just bring out some Osama/Saddam stuff.

[Catrina]

44. Or the forged Niger documents ~

And the forged Iran documents ~

[savemefromdumbya]

46. Thr right wing diseases - forgery and corruption

[Stephanie]

34. When you see "New York Sun" think "Weekly Standard"

they can't even GIVE that rag away in NYC.

[Ganja Ninja]

35. If it's on TV it must be true.

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:

[The Stranger]

36. Good timing: Is this supposed to rebut the TORTURE Photos and Videos?

[xchrom]

38. so nightline is going to promote phony news?

isn't that the real story here?
the news is fake and nightline is going to promulgate and promote and advertise and repeat and in general report this as though it is real?

that's the real weapon here if you ask me.

yeah, yeah nobody is -- i know.

[Catrina]

40. Looks like Ledeen and his band of Niger doc forgers have been busy

again. Forging Niger Documents, forging documents to place in Iran, (apparently succeeded) and now, a brilliant alternative to their failed attempt to plant WMDs in Iraq ~ these neocons and their Iranian arms dealer friends just don't quit.

And, btw, if they only found these recently, why was the war started without any evidence of WMDs? Or, if they found them before the war, why are they only being released now? From what I have read about Saddam Hussein, he was very distrustful of the media unless he contolled it, sort of like our guys in the WH.

We KNOW Saddam possessed Mustard gas and Anthrax and we also know who gave it to him. Where's the news in that? That all came out in the Senate investigation in 1994 and the entire list of US companies who gave him chemical agents, is listed in the Congressional record. Interesting that they left that out.

But the freeps will buy it ~ I can't think of anyone else who might be fooled by this band of liars ~

[LynnTheDem]

41. Here's the "smoking gun" part...

At one point Saddam muses how vulnerable D.C. would be to a "biological" attack, but adds that Iraq wouldn't do it.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11299205/site/newsweek

THANK GAWD WE SLAUGHTERED (so far) 285,000 IRAQIS AND 2300 (so far) AMERICAN SONS & DAUGHTERS!!!

[librechik]

43. pretty thin--so where are they?

presumably we could just go get them, now that Saddam is in custody. Right?

What baloney!

[chat_noir]

45. tapes: most of them dating back to the "early 1990's"[/

In an absolutely ludicrous segment Saturday morning Republican Congressman Peter Hoekstra of Michigan guested on FOX & Friends. He sprinkled fairy dust and transported viewers to Never Never Land. Yes, Mrs. & Mrs. America and all the ships at sea, three years later and - by golly - the Administration is still trying to find those pesky WMDs! (Guess they weren't under Dubya's desk after all!)

Alisyn Camerata started the ball rolling by noting that there are hours and hours of tapes of meetings between Saddam Hussein and his staff, most of them dating back to the "early 1990's" and at least one as late as 2000.

Here's the rub. Hoekstra admitted that he didn't think these tapes were "going to give us real insight." Ah, but he continued, saying: "I think the important thing here is that they point out the gaps, the gaps in our post-war intelligence in trying to figure out what was going on prior to the war. We've got people who haven't been interviewed. We've got sites that haven't been visited. And we've got 35,000 boxes of documents that remain untranslated and unanalyzed. We need to get those out, get them on the internet, have Arabic scholars, Arabic linguists from around the world translating those documents so that we get a better picture of what was going on in Iraq prior to the war."

http://www.newshounds.us/2006/02/13/fox_news_alert_there_might_just_possibly_be_undiscovered_wmds_in_iraq.php

[thecrow]

50. How do we know what Saddam is saying?

Is there anyone who speaks Arabic here?

I mean, this is simply ridiculous. They play a tape supposedly by Saddam and then TRANSLATE it for us? Uh... I think my "NOT GOING FOR IT" factor has just been raised.

[951-Riverside]

52. I guess they can't pull another Osama tape on us this time :)

[Tulum_Moon]

56. This would be funny if so many had not

DIED! How would there be secret tapes?

[RaleighNCDUer]

57. Yup. and they were going to be delivered on target by the

Bat-boy!

I love tabloid journalism.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

60. You people are curr-razeee ! Don't you remember? Powell

showed up where the wmd were in his UN Presentation !!

[Roland99]

61. And, to point out the PAINFULLY OBVIOUS....

If the FBI has had these tapes for YEARS and if they provided any sort of proof that Saddam had WMDs at the time of the 2003 invasion, then this administration would be playing these tapes in lieu of the Star Spangled Banner at every event.

[democracyindanger]

62. WHAT'S REALLY ON NIGHTLINE TONIGHT

Born Too Soon: Inside the Neo-Natal Unit (New) 02/15/2006 11:35 PM, 30 min
Conclusion. A report on neonatal care, taped at Morgan Stanley Children's Hospital of New York-Presbyterian. John Donvan reports.

Sheesh.

[Roland99]

72. That's on tonight *and* tomorrow night according to my local listings.

[democracyindanger]

76. 2-part story

My local listings say the conclusion is tonight--which really isn't as odd as it may seem, because local affiliates have some leeway when running network programming.

In any case, the complete absence of any mention by ABC on its site or in its teasers should have been a red flag from the get-go. They'd pimp a show on some secret WMD tape like Jeff Gannon pimped Jeff Gannon. And CNS reporting on something the NY Sun wrote is like Pravda sourcing Tass.

[Roland99]

82. See this thread for ABC's source of the tapes. You'll love it!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x431508

[AnnInLa]

75. I heard the Saddam tapes teaser on ABC

yesterday, but I got the idea they were talking about the nightly news. But, I did hear it.

[democracyindanger]

77. Okay, I admit I was wrong.

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Investigation/story?id=1616996

EXCLUSIVE: The Secret Tapes -- Inside Saddam's Palace

Feb. 15, 2006 — ABC news has obtained 12 hours of tape recordings of Saddam Hussein meeting with top aides during the 1990's, apparently recorded in the Baghdad version of the Oval Office.
...
One of the most dramatic moments on the 12 hours of tape comes when Saddam predicts —during a meeting in the mid 1990s — a terrorist attack on the United States. "Terrorism is coming. I told the Americans a long time before August 2nd and told the British as well & that in the future there will be terrorism with weapons of mass destruction." Saddam goes on to say such attacks would be difficult to stop. "In the future, what would prevent a booby trapped car causing a nuclear explosion in Washington or a germ or a chemical one?" But he adds that Iraq would never do such a thing. "This is coming, this story is coming but not from Iraq."

[LynnTheDem]

85. WARNED THE USA...just as France did, Canada did, UK did...

And that's the "smoking gun", folks.

Arencha glad we slaughtered 285,000 innocent men, women & kids now! WHEW!

:sarcasm:

[Roland99]

93. I can see the neocons spinning this that Saddam KNEW about 9/11

That's obviously what he was talking about. He KNEW that "Al Qaeda" would attack the US on 9/11 as far back as the mid-90s (when "Al Qaeda" was all of maybe a couple dozen people).

[LynnTheDem]

97. Of course they will. And I guess my post way back in 1996 on a poli BB

that the USA was bound to be hit sooner or later means I "knew" and I'll end up being invaded & occupied.

Too fucking funny watching these rightwingnut morans so desperately trying to spin shit into gold.

[kittenwithmittens]

63. Rove has been sitting on this for a very long time

They have been waiting and waiting until EVERY Dem was on record saying "there were no WMD, Bush lied", and now they will trot this "proof" out, and destroy us all with it.

Assuming that the information is true, the crime is that they sat on it for so long, just so they could have a political "gotcha".

Bastards!

[mac56]

64. Sarcasm, right?

Rove couldn't possibly sit on this for that long. His fat head would explode.

Besides, he still doesn't have "every Dem". You forget Lieberman.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

67. ha. And ben nelson

[kittenwithmittens]

70. Do Lieberman and Nelson even count

as Democrats? They should have been kicked out of the party by now. I think they're both Repug plants.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

68. They're gonna destroy "us all" with it?

Wow, you seem pretty sure of that. Why are you so confident of the Democrats' downfall?

[kittenwithmittens]

69. When Rove has his jackboot to my neck

I'll be sure to gurgle "I told you so."

[thebigidea]

90. either that or "thanks," eh?

melodramatic bullshit. Hilarious.

[tkmorris]

86. Did you even read this thread?

1) Hussein does not say he has weapons on the tape.

2) The tape is from approximately 1991 so is moot in any case.

Let me go on record here. There were no WMD, Bush lied.

[kittenwithmittens]

88. Where did you read that?

It says no where that the tape is from 1991.

We'll just have to wait and see, but I think we're DOOOOOOMED!!!!!!111

[SeveneightyWhoa]

94. LOL! Yes, we're "DOOOMMED!!!111"..

..because some wackjob freeper nutcase said it on DU!

When Rove sends out the cybergoons, you know the Dems are finished! Finito!

FINITTOOOOOOOOO!!!!!1111

[Name removed]

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[thebigidea]

89. destroy us all with 15 year old information?

a bit chicken little, eh?

why, the WHOLE world knew Hussein had some stuff in 91-92 which was subsequently destroyed or rendered ineffective due to age.

This changes nothing. Feel free to spread hilarious messages of doom. Oh, that wacky Rove! If this was actually important it would've come out in 2004, 2003 even.

quoth the raven:

The tapes were taken without permission from an FBI-run translation center, officials say, and are years old. Two government officials, requesting anonymity because of the sensitive subject, say the tapes in no way prove that WMD stockpiles or programs existed at the time of the U.S. invasion or were moved to another country before U.S. troops arrived
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11299205/site/newsweek

[LynnTheDem]

91. The tapes are of Hussein saying IRAQ WOULD NOT attack the US

I'm gonna get this out there...sooner or later!

LOL!

[LizW]

79. Quick, Rove! To the tape library! Cheney's in trouble! n/t

[SoCalDem]

81. Before or After their gripping exposé of eyebrow collagen injections?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

84. Is that what happened to Blunt

[Initech]

92. Wow, what unbelievably quick and perfect timing, Rove!

I mean, the vice president shot a guy in the face. What better way to take the heat off by resorting to the Bush admin's old way of scaring the shit of the sheep who watch network news?

:sarcasm:

[Jim__]

96. What - it took them 3 years to translate the tapes?

Or did Ahmad Chalabi just hand them over?

Ahhhhhh - maybe the got them through interrogation of the latest AlQueda #3 that was captured.

[LynnTheDem]

98. They had to steal them first from the FBI.

Tapes were stolen from the FBI; they're investigating who how why when.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

100. This seems misleading

The radio news report I heard (a Fox News report) reported that Saddam was talking about how easy it would be for terrorists to attack with WMDs. It made no mention of WHERE or WHO the attacks would be directed at, but implied that Saddam was worried about his own (secular) country being attacked.

[Postman]

103. Total Bullshit. Hussein Kamel dispelled all notions of Iraq having WMD

in 1995.

Where are the friggin weapons????

[shance]

104. Are these the same tapes where Saddam is telling John Kennedy where

he hid the WMD?

What utter bullshit.

[Jim__]

106. According to CBS news - nothing new on these tapes.

A reporter on CBS news - the 5 o'clock new talking to Bob Schiefer - there is nothing new on these tapes (CDs). The reporter said Saddam talks about hiding his WMD programs, but the reporter said he's trying tohide that he doesn't have any WMD.

[rumpel]

108. John Loftus, sound familiar....

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=15344

The Muslim Brotherhood, Nazis and Al-Qaeda
By John Loftus
Jewish Community News | October 4, 2004

And more and more people in the CIA and FBI are sort of using me as a back channel to get our information. So, believe it or not, they've actually given me my own TV show now on Sunday mornings on FOX TV nationwide. I'm on at 11:20 eastern standard time. And ABC Radio has given me a national radio program, but I'm on at 10:30 at night and it's past your bedtime.

snip

And we have to end the evil in this world. We have to recognize that al Qaeda simply didn't spring up on its own. The evil route was Nazism. The al Qaeda Doctrine is the same as the Arab Nazis held. They hated Jews, they hate democracy, and they hate Westerners for Western culture. Al Qaeda is nothing more than the religious expression of Arab Fascism. We allowed this branch of the Nazi trunk to survive, to flourish, and it has come back to haunt us.