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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:20 PM
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CHENEY: ``I'm the guy who pulled the trigger'' COMPLETE TRANSCRIPT
CHENEY: ``I'm the guy who pulled the trigger'' COMPLETE TRANSCRIPT
Vice President Cheney finally breaks his silence.

``As soon as I fired and saw Harry there, everything else went out of my mind. I don't know whether the bird went down, or didn't.’’--Vice President Cheney


(Kpete: The whole thing is up at the link below, but I thought this was especially interesting:)


Q On another subject, court filings have indicated that Scooter
Libby has suggested that his superiors -- unidentified -- authorized the
release of some classified information. What do you know about that?


THE VICE PRESIDENT: It's nothing I can talk about, Brit. This is
an issue that's been under investigation for a couple of years. I've
cooperated fully, including being interviewed, as well, by a special
prosecutor. All of it is now going to trial. Scooter is entitled to
the presumption of innocence. He's a great guy. I've worked with him
for a long time, have enormous regard for him. I may well be called as
a witness at some point in the case and it's, therefore, inappropriate
for me to comment on any facet of the case.


Q Let me ask you another question. Is it your view that a Vice
President has the authority to declassify information?


THE VICE PRESIDENT: There is an executive order to that effect.


Q There is.


THE VICE PRESIDENT: Yes.


Q Have you done it?


THE VICE PRESIDENT: Well, I've certainly advocated
declassification and participated in declassification decisions. The
executive order --


Q You ever done it unilaterally?


THE VICE PRESIDENT: I don't want to get into that. There is an
executive order that specifies who has classification authority, and
obviously focuses first and foremost on the President, but also includes
the Vice President.


Q There have been two leaks, one that pertained to possible
facilities in Europe; and another that pertained to this NSA matter.
There are officials who have had various characterizations of the degree
of damage done by those. How would you characterize the damage done by
those two reports?


THE VICE PRESIDENT: There clearly has been damage done.


Q Which has been the more harmful, in your view?


THE VICE PRESIDENT: I don't want to get into just sort of ranking
them, then you get into why is one more damaging than the other. One of
the problems we have as a government is our inability to keep secrets.
And it costs us, in terms of our relationship with other governments, in
terms of the willingness of other intelligence services to work with us,
in terms of revealing sources and methods. And all of those elements
enter into some of these leaks.


Q Mr. Vice President, thank you very much for doing this.


THE VICE PRESIDENT: Thank you, Brit.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2006/02/_cheney_im_the_guy_who_pulled.html
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Che_Nuevara Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:22 PM
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1. Thanks! (n/t)
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:31 PM
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2. Brit is lucky to be alive after that interview!
:D



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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:33 PM
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3. oh no

Q Let me ask you another question. Is it your view that a Vice
President has the authority to declassify information?


THE VICE PRESIDENT: There is an executive order to that effect.


Q There is.


THE VICE PRESIDENT: Yes.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:44 PM
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7. George W. Bush's Executive Orders
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/orders

Then there are George W. Bush's decrees as to what his Executive Orders mean to him.
:puke:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:35 PM
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4. Faux News: "There have been two leaks...". That's the first thing that
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 06:50 PM by Peace Patriot
struck me about the posted part of the interview. And the Fauxter goes on to ask about damage from these "two"--the EU secret prisons and the NSA spying. But there were THREE major leaks! The first was PLAME. And the matter of extensive damage to Plame's counter-proliferation network has recently been in the news. THAT's the one any half-way decent reporter would have asked about! The PLAME LEAK, for godssakes!

This is not stupidity. This is the unmitigated gall of a war profiteering corporate news monopoly Bush junta lapdog. Disgraceful!

-------

Just to clarify: Notice how the issue is fudged in the top question (of this posted portion of the interview). It's not referred to as the leak of Valerie Plame's identity nor the leak of the identity of the entire CIA counter-proliferation network, Brewster-Jennings. It's only brought up in terms of the OTHER classified material that Libby said Cheney "authorized" him to release (the National Intelligence Estimate material). Cheney then says he can't talk about that and that "it's all going to trial." Not so. What's going to trial is Libby's PERJURY and OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. And we are left with a government in which TRAITORS are being harbored, in which a vital intelligence operation was disabled and its covert agents/contacts put at risk of death. THAT is NOT going to trial--not yet anyway. And the danger REMAINS. No one in the government, the intelligence agencies or the military is safe. Anyone can be targeted and destroyed at any time, by traitors within our government. And it is absolutely appalling that this Faux reporter did not name the crime, did not follow up, did not try to pin Cheney down, and settled for this typical non-answer.

Why didn't the reporter ask: How can anyone in our intelligence agencies feel safe, and do their jobs, with this kind of skulduggery happening to them from the INSIDE?

Why didn't the reporter attempt to dig deeper, KNOWING that Cheney was named in the indictment as one of Libby's sources on Plame's identity?

Why didn't the reporter ask him about the Plame/Kelly time-line coincidences, indicating suppression of honest government professionals on both sides of the Atlantic?

Well, we know why. I'm just trying to lay out how EGREGIOUSLY FRAUDULENT this interview is. We sometimes forget what decent reporting sounds like.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:39 PM
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5. prior to this britt had brought up the libby case and dick did a scotty...
it's under investigation, cannot comment.
but yes, there are three leaks, and he can't justify the plame one, no way, no how.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:40 PM
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6. from atrios
There are also two separate issues here. First, does the Veep have the legal power to declassify things? And, second, does that right allow him to selectively leak classified shit to random people without actually declassifying it? You know, like Bob Woodward or he tells Scooter to leak to.

http://atrios.blogspot.com/2006_02_12_atrios_archive.html#114004650887165483
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:51 PM
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8. atrios forgets the president promised to can the ass of whoever leaked?
that's pretty significant, it doesn't leave any wiggle room.
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rpgamerd00d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 06:56 PM
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9. Thanks. nt
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:26 PM
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10. Now for the main part of the article:
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 10:36 PM by Peace Patriot
Several things struck me about it. First, that this was a very rehearsed story. Of course, he had four days to cobble it together and get it down pat, with his good bud Katherine Armstrong having been chosen to pave the newspath on the details. Cheney keeps repeating the rehearsed parts of the press coverage story over and over. They are: 1) that Armstrong was an "eyewitness" (he repeats it four times) and thus the best person to contact the press; 2) that his sole concern, re the press, was that the story that went out was "accurate" (he repeats this eight times); and 3) that it was a "complicated" story (repeated twice) and thus not likely to be gotten right by the press corps (i.e., need for the story to be managed).

Also, the Faux reporter quite obviously "leads" him on some parts of his tale (puts words in his mouth--I don't know from what script). Some of these are: a) that Whittington caught "part of the shot"; b) that Cheney "ran over to him" immediately; and c) the Aaron Burr reference and that these were "different circumstances" (than the Burr shooting).

The Faux reporter dwells on the press coverage aspect of the story at length--and just lets the details of the shooting go by in the first part of the interview. So it's difficult to determine how rehearsed those details were. They move on too quickly to the press coverage. I'll get to those details in a moment. They are geometric in their precision. I imagine they mapped it all out at the ranch, or on AF-2, to make sure the tale would hold up. But first...

Another thing he wanted to emphasize (repeated twice) was that it was "wild quail"--though set up by spotters on horses with radios, with the "hunters" in vehicles--but his point was that it wasn't pen-raised quail. A Texas manhood thing, I guess.

He gives a lot of excuses for the long delay in contacting the press, and for the way they contacted the press--which was that his good bud Katherine Armstrong called the tiny local newspaper, couldn't get a reporter right away, at first had trouble making the newspaper contact understand the details (like the difference between "rifle bullet" and "a shotgun"), and it finally went up on that small paper's web site.

He also had many excuses for not going public himself until today. These excuses ranged from his great concern for his friend, his concern about Whittington's family and how they would find out about it, his great concern for the "accuracy" of reports, and his distrust of the Washington press corps. He even says, at one point that, "I had a bit of the feeling that the press corps was upset because, to some extent, it (the shooting?) was about them (the Washington press corps)." (--my notes in parenthesis). What could he mean? That he had "fired one" at the Washington press corps (not just at Whittington) by by-passing them in favor of the tiny Corpus Christi newspaper, because he was certain that they would get it wrong (be disobedient to VP press dictates?), and would not take his word for what happened--would disbelieve him and question him? And here the Armstrong "witness" thing comes in again. He says, "And she was the most credible one to do it (notify the press) because she was a witness. It wasn't me in terms of saying, here's what happened...".

Nice little inside look at Cheney's paranoia and duplicity, that. He doesn't think anyone will believe HIM. Wonder why. That mean old "liberal media."

Anyway, so we have three things here that he is likely lying about, in some fashion (based on his repetitions--memorized phrases and words?): that Armstrong was an eyewitness (how he put it is, she saw the whole thing, and he only saw "part of it")(--what he meant by this is unexplained, and there is no followup); that he wanted the story to be "accurate" (likely, in truth, what they have put out is a cover story, and they needed time to put it together); and that the story was too "complicated" for the press corps to understand (likely this means that there were many complications in putting together a believable story and getting everyone's story straight, with one of those complications undoubtedly being Whittington, who was in ICU, and what he would agree to*).

*This item of what may be the real story stands out to me. Whittington was in surgery, in ICU, unconscious much of the time, while they were trying to put the story together, and thus was unavailable to be bullied, bribed, threatened, cozened, or whatever they were up to, with him, to get his part of the story to fit with the other parts of the story. This undoubtedly was the reason for the delay in releasing any information, and the long delay in Cheney speaking to the press. He had to make sure that Whittington would back him up, if Whittington survived. And what I'm saying here puts the lie to almost everything Cheney says in the interview. But I'd bet money that my speculation is much closer to the truth than anything Cheney said.

Cheney's response is most effusive--and suspicious--when he talks about Whittington's attitude toward being shot.

Here's Cheney, in his own words: "He's been fantastic. He's a gentleman in every respect. He oftentimes expressed more concern about me than about himself. He's been in good spirits, unfailingly cheerful...". And, "He literally was more concerned about me and the impact on me than he was on the fact that he'd been shot. He's a -- I guess I'd describe him as a true Texas gentleman, a very successful attorney, successful businessman in Austin; a gentleman in every respect of the word. And he's been superb."

A "true Texas gentleman." Well, these people have forever sullied the name of Texas and any concept of "gentlemanliness" and honor that might have adhered to the name. Mass murderers, massive thieves, liars, fascists, mean SOBs who steal food and medicine and winter heat from little old ladies and sick people and children. That's some standard of behavior. And I can only guess at what really might have gone down between Cheney and Whittington (I'm thinking blackmail, extortion, attempted murder). But what I feel really sure of, in my bones, is that Whittington has NOT been "unfailingly cheerful" about being shot, and that he is NOT "more concerned about" Cheney than about himself. This sounds to me like a complete fabrication--something copied by a PR expert right out of some John Wayne/Ronald Reagan movie about old cowpokes in the old west.

There are a couple of obvious holes in Cheney's story of the actual shooting (at the beginning of the interview). 1) Faux asks him to characterize his relationship with Whittington--"close friend? friendly acquaintance?" etc.--and Cheney answers "No, an acquaintance..."--this simply does not fit with his great concern about his friend, repeatedly expressed elsewhere in the interview. 2) He gives different times--"thirty minutes," and "under an hour"--for how long it took to get Whittington to a hospital. 3) He mentions "the other hunter" who was standing near Cheney when the shooting occurred, and an "outrider" (quail spotter), but doesn't name them (were they questioned? do their stories gel with Cheney's? who are they?)

He seems to have the number "30" on the brain. "30" minutes to get Whittington to a hospital. He met Whittington 30 years ago. He met the Armstrongs 30 years ago. And he was 30 yards from Whittington when he shot him. Maybe a coincidence. Maybe a memory device. Hard to tell.

When he describes the shooting, he's very precise: a bird blushed "off to the west" to his right (convenient--setting sun in Cheney's eyes); he then says "I turned" and shot at the bird (presumably wasn't facing west, at first, but turned west). He says the sun was "directly behind" Whittington, and that "that affected (my) vision, too, I'm sure." He describes Whittington as wearing an orange vest and being properly dressed, but being down in "a little bit of a gully" and Cheney didn't see the upper part of his body until he was already falling from the shot.

And how did Whittington get into that position vis a vis Cheney? To me, that is a major question. Where was the Secret Service when this guy went wandering off on his own, gun in hand, to an unseen location, supposedly to look for a bird he'd shot, and somehow ended up back near Cheney (who says that he and the "other hunter" and the outrider had walked about a hundred yards away from the spot where Whittington was looking for his bird)? How could Whittington have done this without setting off alarm bells in the Secret Service detail? They've got all these old guys--probably drinking or drunk (which Cheney denies)--playing with guns, playing at being "hunters," and one them a mere "acquaintance" of Cheney's (Cheney says it was the first time he hunted with Whittington)--and the Secret Service lets Whittington get out of sight? I just don't buy it.

Very likely this is a totally invented story--and the four days it took for Cheney to appear in a softball interview on Faux News were spent inventing it, and bullying witnesses, possibly including the Secret Service (and Whittington himself), on agreeing to the details or shutting up about it. Cheney had to have someone who was totally in his pocket--Katherine Armstrong--peddle this tale to a tiny newspaper where "she knew the reporters", while they were still inventing the details, so that no one would catch them early in contradictions. The handling of the news story speaks volumes about its "accuracy"--as does Cheney's obsessive dwelling on his purported desire that the story be "accurate." (--accurately twisted; accurately exculpatory; unassailably whitewashed; plausible).

Well, enough of this. I strongly suspect a "can of worms"--a Pandora's box--possibly involving the vast corruption in the Republican Party, lurking beneath this story. I may be wrong. It's possible that Cheney simply can't open his mouth without lying; his first instinct is to lie--and that it did happen the way he tells it, but that he has brought suspicion on himself by overly-managing the story (he says this was entirely his idea, or, rather, that he went along with Armstrong's suggestion for managing it). But I strongly feel, having studied this interview carefully, that something is very seriously amiss with this incident. And we should continue looking deeper at Whittington's Republican and business connections for the answer, and should presume the worst as a premise.
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Che_Nuevara Donating Member (517 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:04 AM
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11. While I'm not quite ready to jump on the
"Cheney tried to kill this man" bandwagon, I did notice some interesting things that merit pointing out.



Q Would you describe him as a close friend, friendly acquaintance, what --

THE VICE PRESIDENT: No, an acquaintance.

...

(VP): But he's a great man, he's in great shape, good friend


--------


Q Now, you're a seasoned hunter --

THE VICE PRESIDENT: I am, well, for the last 12, 15 years.

...

(VP): it's part of my heritage, growing up in Wyoming. It's part of who I am.


--------


Q There was just two of you then?

THE VICE PRESIDENT: Just two of us at that point.

...

(VP): First of all, she wasan eye-witness. She'd seen the whole thing.




It's also worth pointing out that 30 yards is about 20 paces. Think about how short a distance that is.
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Sugar Smack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:10 AM
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12. For a guy who uses the word "Obviously" so much
he sure kept his mouth well-shut for a while, there.
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