Cheney lied to the Sheriff - Sheriff's report: "no alcohol involved"

[leveymg]

the police report said, "No alcohol involved"
Here's the link to the Kennedy Co. Sheriff's office. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0213061cheney3.htm...

Somebody lied, again.

Compare that to Dick's statement tonight on Fox:

TIME
Cheney Speaks: The VP Responds to Critics
Feb. 15, 2006

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1159864,...

Vice President Cheney has always prided himself on imperviousness to Beltway hysteria, since he has no plans to seek the top job. But it was that very detachment, which President Bush has generally seen as an asset, that helped produce the missteps in the aftermath of Cheney's weekend hunting accident. The PR crisis has now thrown the White House off its intended message — heard much about health savings accounts lately?— and raised questions about its ability to handle a crisis.

Cheney stayed out of public sight for three days after the Saturday evening shooting of 78-year-old lawyer Harry Whittington, with news photographers catching surveillance-style shots of the Vice President hustling into the side door of the West Wing. Finally, under pressure from Bush aides and much of Washington's Republican establishment, Cheney decided to sit down Wednesday afternoon with an interviewer whom the VP appears to trust, Brit Hume of Fox News.

Hume said in an interview with Fox News Channel after Hume said in an interview with Fox News Channel after talking to Cheney at the White House: "He said he'd had a beer at lunch."

Well? We're waiting for an explanation. Dick? Dick?

[Dinger]

1. Yup, Looks Like ANOTHER Crime Has Been Committed (nm)

[leveymg]

4. Wouldn't it be ironic if this teeny one is the one that finally nails him?

:evilgrin:

[Pacifist Patriot]

23. Ironic and downright miraculous.

I stand by my offer to eat my keyboard if he suffers any true repercussions from his actions.

[cantstandbush]

30. That's why they waited 24 hours...until the alcohol metabolized.

Wah Cheney even checked for alcohol levels?

[Dunvegan]

2. Yep. The new "Truth Point" is now "Cheney Shot a 78 yr old man in the face

...

while drunk.

(Disclamer: Until we find out more...what can we surmise? Worst case scenarios are not "tin-foil" just speculation in the vacuum of real information.)

[Harper_is_Bush]

19. "speculation in the vacuum of real information."?

You have real information. The witnesses, the police report.

You doubt it though, since it's entrirely possible the witnesses are lying and the authorities didn't interview him until the next day.

Nevertheless, you have "real information".

So, what you're doing is speculation in the absence of evidence. That's the new "truth point"?

What is a "truth point"? Is that like how the repukes keep repeating something like "Kerry didn't deserve his medals" until people start believing the bullshit?

[Swamp Rat]

3. HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! This is so much fun!!!

:D

[kenny blankenship]

5. Look, if the Executive Branch can lie to Congress

and ignore the Judiciary when it deems it necessary then the supposed obligation of the Vice President to be truthful in replying to local law enforcement is clearly nil.

[Tulum_Moon]

6. Why is he NOT sitting in a jail cell!

Shoots a man while drinking. Lies to the authorities. Delays informing the media. And he's on Fox News sitting in a cushy studio! Any of us would not have even talked to our lawyer yet.

[YDogg]

7. Did he actually ever speak to Sheriff's Office reps?

I missed hearing the definitive word.

[Tulum_Moon]

11. You are right

We never really heard did we. Shouldn't he be questioned? after all, he almost blew the guys head off.

[YDogg]

12. I've only heard that he was going to speak with them ...

... but not that he actually had.

[leveymg]

13. Yes, he was interviewed.

According to a CBS Morning News report I saw this morning.

[Pacifist Patriot]

21. From the wording in the sheriff's report I think we can infer that he did.

My apologies to the uber-grammatists among us. I never can remember when you use infer, deduce or whatever the other words are. I'm going to hope everyone knows what I mean. ;)

[bigtree]

8. and how do they conclude he wasn't impaired?

I'm impaired on one beer. Seriously. Hours later I'm asleep.

[spooky3]

16. if they didn't test Cheney and no one interviewed him

until Sunday, how could the Sheriff possibly conclude correctly that alcohol was not involved?

How many episodes of Cops or Judge Judy does one have to watch to realize that even people who were literally falling down drunk at the time of the incident claim that they've had only one beer?

[Junkdrawer]

9. Watch Brit Hume say Cheney had a beer AND no alcohol was involved...

in the same sentence.

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/15/cheney-drinking

Folks, you just can't make this stuff up.

[lovuian]

10. This is why the waiting for over 15 hours to report it

He was drinking at lunch... no specific time just lunch...

[yellowcanine]

14. As long as one refills the glass before it is empty it is still ONE beer,

right? :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[Launch Pad]

18. You forgot the million dollar question...

How tall was the beer?

I've seen some pretty healthy beer mugs. Enough to fit two or three 12 ounce beers in one glass.

He could have drank a pitcher of beer and called it one beer as long as he drank directly out of the pitcher.

Too much wiggle room here.

[yellowcanine]

22. Note also he said a beer. He didn't say ONLY a beer. He could have

been nipping at a hip flask all afternoon and his admission to drinking a beer is still technically correct.

[Lars39]

15. He only admitted it because one of the women already said

that there had been beer.

[Harper_is_Bush]

17. If you have a beer several hours before a car accident...

is there then alcohol involved?

No.

[Pacifist Patriot]

20. It depends.

People have different tolerances for alcohol. Heck, a single individual has different tolerances depending upon health, amount of food consumed, etc. To be accurate you should amend your flat "no" to a "probably not." I just thought I'd point that out since you do seem to be concerned with accuracy.

[Harper_is_Bush]

26. Who can have one beer at lunch (with food)...and still

be impaired in anyway by that beer 4-5 hours later?

I don't care who you are, that don't wash. I'm not willing to even give it a "probably not".

And in the case of Cheney, I would say ABSOLUTELY not. He's big, very big.

[Pacifist Patriot]

28. May I quote you?

"If you have a beer several hours before a car accident... is there then alcohol involved? No."

You did not say, "If Cheney had one beer with his lunch 4-5 hours before he shot someone...is there then alcohol involved?" Had you said that, I would have agreed with you. Granted my agreement is stipulated upon this scenario being the case. I must admit Cheney does not have a great deal of credibility with me.

So based on the question you asked, the most accurate answer would be "probably not." It actually is possible to consume a beer several hours before a car accident and have alcohol involved. One of my college roommates learned that lesson the hard way.

[Launch Pad]

24. It depends if it shows up on a brethalizer

and the mood of the officer, but when i got my DUI I learned that the body normally metabolizes one 12 ounce beer (or a one ounce drink) in one hour from the time it is digested. I don't know how long it takes for all the beer to pass through the stomach though.

[Harper_is_Bush]

27. One beer per hour is about the norm, correct.

That will vary depending on size of person and gender.

Men metabolize quicker. Big men even quicker.

If it's metabolized, btw, it's not showing up on the brethalizer.

[Straight Shooter]

29. Yes, there is alcohol involved if you have a beer several hours before.

Standard question at any deposition of someone involved in an accident: "Did you have anything alcoholic to drink within 24 hours before the accident in question?"

Alcohol always raises questions of impairment. Always. Not only that, any medication and its side effects is an issue, too.

Hmm. I wonder what happens when Viagra is mixed with alcohol. Winsome little Swiss Miss by one's side, blood leaves the head, leaving one's mental faculties somewhat less than intact ...

[Harper_is_Bush]

31. No. No "alcohol involved" from a legal standpoint.

Don't confuse what I'm saying.

I agree that telling cops you had a beer 5 hours earlier (or within 24 as you say) will "raise questions".
Alcohol becomes involved IN THE INVESTIGATION. Yes.

However...if the only information the cops (and everyone else) has is that you had A beer 5 hours earlier WITH FOOD then no, alcohol is NOT involved in terms of the legal statement/case being presented by the police.

Agree?

[Straight Shooter]

32. I am referring to lawyers taking depositions of involved parties.

They definitely ask the question. I've heard it in every deposition involving an accident. Every single one. Now, whether the attorney believes the alcohol contributed to the accident, or whether the attorney is asking the question so as to put doubt in the minds of the jurors as to whether the person was alert and coordinated, I cannot say. But, it is a standard question.

From my perspective, I am wondering whether Cheney's beer (and, sorry, I doubt the "one beer" story) reacted with his medication. Also, if Cheney seldom drinks, perhaps the beer affected him more strongly. Everyone has different reactions. How many beers had he drunk in his youth when he had the DUI? No one has addressed this yet. Maybe he is alcohol-sensitive.

The revelation of the beer is important because no one advocates drinking and then hunting. What time was lunch? 2 o'clock? When during lunch did he drink the beer? How much did he actually eat? Maybe he drank the beer after the meal, while "shooting the shit" around the table. So many unanswered questions. Maybe he was still nursing the beer while in the car. Who knows.

There are a lot of people who have negative perceptions of the combination of guns and alcohol, whether it be one beer, two beers, et cetera. He should have come clean and had a blood test performed. He didn't. I think he's lying about how much alcohol he drank.

And of course, I think he's a total sh*t for trying to blame someone else for his own negligence.

[Pacifist Patriot]

33. I've been wondering about the medication interaction.

And not just from an impairment standpoint. You raise very good questions.

[Straight Shooter]

36. No one has addressed that yet. Maybe they think it's too "sensitive."

If I were Whittington's family, I would most certainly want to know. I've never seen a prescription bottle that did not have the precaution: "Do not consume alcohol while taking this medication," or similar verbiage. Cheney surely is on some strong drugs. Why won't the press corps address this?

Ack. What am I thinking. They won't even "press" to discover what drugs Little Boots is on.

[bettyellen]

25. and Faux left that out of the broadcast tonight......

[madinmaryland]

34. He only had one beer! (one of these)

[Festivito]

35. No one has questioned the sheriffs who said no alcohol? /nt