From a Criminal Lawyer: Cheney May Be Guilty of Felony Witness Tampering

[nashuaadvocate]

See here.

Now that we know Armstrong was not an eyewitness, and that "her account" must have come from the Vice President, we know the Vice President is likely guilty of a felony.

S.

[slor]

1. WHOOHOO!

Better than Fitzmas!

[babylonsister]

2. Wow. Now there's a possibility to share! nt

[rpgamerd00d]

3. I said this yesterday and today.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x433708

[nashuaadvocate]

5. Friend, so did I. My thread preceded yours I believe, but got buried.

It's called: "A Smoking Gun: Armstrong Was Not an Eyewitness."

I was the first I know of to reference the Dallas News article confirming Armstrong's NON-eyewitness status.

S.

[Straight Shooter]

6. I saw that. Excellent work, nashuaadvocate.

As always. :thumbsup:

[converted_democrat]

4. What are the chances that he would actually be charged??n/t

[Dunvegan]

7. Depends on when or whether Whittington dies...or he gets well...

...and doesn't take (*ahem*) a "bullet" for Cheney with silence.

[LiberalEsto]

8. Obstruction of Justice

Mwa ha ha ha ha!

[Hubert Flottz]

9. And maybe Assault with a dead weapon too IF...

They can prove he pulled his repeater on the Swiss Miss!

[karlrschneider]

10. Who the hell would be 'allowed' to arrest him?

:eyes:

[robbedvoter]

11. Right you are.

[New Earth]

12. hey look you have a star

and a heart :P

i thought you should have one :)

[nashuaadvocate]

15. Faye, thanks!!!! :-) That was so sweet of you! S.

[BadgerKid]

13. Sometimes, telling the truth is better

but this adminis. can't see it because their reality centers on delusion, collusion, and contingencies.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

14. Just For Clarity, Is There Anywhere That States She Gave The Official

story to the authorities as well? I'm not sure I've heard that she did. If it was just to the media and through the media to us, it's disgraceful as always but no felony.

[nashuaadvocate]

18. Actually, not so...

...witness tampering is attempting to influence the testimony of an individual under circumstances in which you know or should know that an official proceeding regarding the said incident is ongoing or is likely.

Having just shot a man in the face, Cheney had every reason to believe official proceedings were likely and certainly *knew* that an investigation would be shortly initiated.

Other related offenses may include: False Report to Law Enforcement, Unsworn Falsification, Obstruction of Justice, Hindering Apprehension, Obstructing the Report of a Crime.

Apparently, even Fred Barnes of Fox News--a rabid conservative--is saying that Cheney probably went over his version of events with Armstrong. The problem here is, if Armstrong is NOT an eyewitness (which we know), and Cheney participated in the decision to have her put out a certain version of events (which we know), and if that version of events is a) exculpatory (which we know), and b) Cheney's own version of events or a fabricated version of events (which we do not "know" but which logically must be so), Cheney has a major problem here.

S.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

21. Again, Unless She Was Coached To Provide The Story 1st Person

to either a courtroom (in the future) or a law enforcement official, it is not a felony. There has to be intent that the coaching was to influence testimony to some legal branch or investigation.

[nashuaadvocate]

26. I'm confused...

...you're saying that Cheney might have coached Armstrong to tell the MEDIA and the NATION one thing...when he knew she'd say ANOTHER thing to the police?

Hardly makes sense, does it? I think if he intended her to publicly disseminate a false story, he has sufficient intent regarding a pending criminal investigation (barring a bizarre scenario as I've descrived above) for at least PC, and almost certainly more. Remember that he knew at that point she would be shortly speaking to the police about the incident.

S.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

27. True. But That's The Whole Point Of My Question.

Is there anything floating around that she told any authority the same damn story. That's all I wanna know.

[nashuaadvocate]

Kenedy County Sheriff's Dept. hasn't released anything except 1 report. nm

[sandnsea]

24. Why help with the cover up?

That is what an investigation is for, to uncover this stuff. We've got two different stories, what did she tell the authorities and why'd they tell the public something different. If you don't demand the answers, you won't get them. Nobody is asking you about your drinking habits, it's about Dick Cheney's.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

25. I agree. This Whole Story Wreaks And Definitely Has Legs.

My reply was only to the concept of whether that part of the story constitutes a felony. Felony or not, it doesn't change the severe gravity of finding out the truth and demanding answers for this blatantly apparent cover-up.

What I'm pleased about, though, is that there is already so much coming out that I think this definitely has some legs and won't just go away quietly. We may in the end actually for once get answers to what really happened.

[satya]

30. Page 2 of the accident report lists her name (and only hers) as a witness.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/images/02/14/CheneyAccidentReport.ap.pdf

You would think hunter #3 or the "outrider" he mentioned would be witnesses, not the woman sitting in the car...

Not too clear from his story just how many other witnesses there might have been:

HUME: How many?

CHENEY: Oh, probably 10 people. We weren't all together, but about 10 guests at the ranch. There were three of us who had gotten out of the vehicle and walked up on a covey of quail that had been pointed by the dogs. Covey is flushed, we've shot, and each of us got a bird. Harry couldn't find his, it had gone down in some deep cover, and so he went off to look for it. The other hunter and I then turned and walked about a hundred yards in another direction —

HUME: Away from him?

CHENEY: Away from him — where another covey had been spotted by an outrider. I was on the far right —

HUME: There was just two of you then?

CHENEY: Just two of us at that point. The guide or outrider between us, and of course, there's this entourage behind us, all the cars and so forth that follow me around when I'm out there — but bird flushed and went to my right, off to the west. I turned and shot at the bird, and at that second, saw Harry standing there. Didn't know he was there —

[SeattleGirl]

16. Cheney and all the rest of them are guilty of so many things

But unfortunately it never seems to go anywhere (well, I will make an exception of Fitz and the grand juries). Now, I'm not being a "the glass is completely empty" person, because I have long said that things absolutely will not stay this way forever, because that is not the nature of life. Still, they have gotten away with so much. Now we literally have a smoking gun, and yet there are still people who will defend this man.

I do hope the lawyer is right in what he says, and that something comes of it. I hope.

[FreedomAngel82]

17. And is anything going to happen to him?

I'm not going to hold my breath.

[Laelth]

19. Great Link

Thanks for that.

:dem:

-Laelth

[YDogg]

20. Does the SS have the right to keep Cheney from breaking the law?

[SeattleGirl]

22. Good questions. I rather doubt it though.

My doubt is based on the incident of Jenna and Barbara using fake ID in the bar. The SS did nothing to stop them. Perhaps they can't do that with anyone they are guarding. Their primary job is to protect whoever they are assigned to. I will see if I can find out; you have me wondering now.

[BadgerKid]

29. I thought I remember reading

on another thread that the SS only protects from external threats.

[SammyWinstonJack]

23. ruh roh!

:evilgrin:

[opihimoimoi]

28. I wanna see a re enactment of the real scene with Ms Armstrong ana secret

service agent/other hunter describing who was where and etc.

We need a full blown investigation by the U.N.

[lovuian]

31. Oh that is a helluva point Good one!!!

and Mrs.Armstrong has told the newspapers when she wasn't an eye witness!!!

[Disturbed]

32. The actual eyewitness, Swiss Ambasedor, was not on the

Official report?