WHY THE FUCK SHOULD ANYONE GIVE DEADEYE THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT?!?!?

[Beetwasher]

And I mean on ANYTHING, especially on THIS story w/ SO many fucking inconsistencies????

I'm being totally serious here. I don't have a fucking CLUE what really happened on that ranch and neither does anyone here. Why are so many so willing to just ACCEPT on CHENEY'S word that this was an accident? Or that he wasn't drunk or he wasn't fucking that Swiss ambassador chick. You know what? It probably WAS an accident, it's probably LIKELY it was an accident, but seriously I DON'T FUCKING KNOW AND NEITHER DO YOU. I'm skeptical by nature, I'm skeptical of EVERYTHING these fucking maniacs say. They lie all the fucking time for no apparent reason about everything and anything. They are capable (and perhaps even guilty) of the most heinous and atrocious crimes imaginable.

Deadeye does NOT fucking get the benefit of the doubt here. No fucking way. Not from me anyway. He IS a fucking maniac. That much I'm pretty sure of. He IS fucking capable of shooting a guy in the face w/ shotgun on purpose. Hell fucking yeah he is. Did he? I don't fucking know and neither do you.

[bpilgrim]

1. no reason

more...
http://GlobalFreePress.com

peace

[OldLeftieLawyer]

2. Because everyone

knows he's really the President, and they're afraid of incurring his wrath.

You ever consider - I mean, just watch Harry Reid - that DC is full of spineless weenies, or am I going to have to be the one to break that little tidbit to you?

Poor baby. I feel like I've just violated you.

It's a city of suckasses, and Cheney's the biggest ass of all right now.

[Beetwasher]

7. Heh?

Don't worry, I don't feel violated. :shrug:

Not really sure what you're getting at or if you understood my point.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

24. I thought I responded to your question.

What did I miss?

After practicing law in Washington for almost thirty years, these dynamics are confusing to intelligent outsiders, but, really, it's business as usual here, only that this bunch of thugs has somehow managed to intimidate everyone - and I'm still trying to figure out how it all happened. My best guess in that fucking Lee Atwater set it all in motion, may he burn hotter than usual in Hell.

What did I miss, though? What was your point that I didn't get?

[Beetwasher]

25. I Wasn't Necessarily Only Talking About Washington Insiders

But everyone, in general, including the press, commentators, people at work, posters on DU, etc...

Also, just because they may be intimated (and yes, I realize that's why it SEEMS many do give him the benefit), doesn't necessarily mean the DO give him the benefit of the doubt, they're just too intimated to make it known that they really do think he's full of shit or voice their questions or suspicions about his activities.

As far as I'm concerned, this is an alleged accident. The way it's being referred to by just about EVERYONE is an accident, period.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

28. Yep, that's what I was trying to say......

In all honesty, though, I haven't seen anyone here on DU give any kind of benefit of the doubt regarding what Cheney pulled.

The journalists and pols I know in DC aren't convinced of anything that's been put forth so far. In fact, the current buzz is that Cheney was reckless, and had a lot more than one beer at lunch. That's the biggest speculation, but there's no way anyone will ever know any different. Ever.

Because these thugs have the White House as closed down as possible, the press is impotent, and Congress is dominated by Republicans.

No one will ever know what happened. And, the word "alleged" is dropped when the investigation is closed. The investigation is closed, and every lawyer I know - me included - finds that even more suspicious that the shooting incident.

[Beetwasher]

29. "every lawyer I know - me included - finds that even more suspicious.."

Indeed. Quickest damn investigation (or one of) I've heard of, especially since I've got question HOW they could have interviewed Whittington adequately and they really have no way of knowing if Deadeye was tanked or not.

[mtnsnake]

3. Who's giving him the benefit of the doubt? Christ, you act like it's over

or something.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

6. It's over

What? You're now expecting some sort of spine to grow somewhere in the DC press corps?

Ha.

It's over because Dickless says it's over. And that's what these pricks have done for the past five years.

Unless, of course, Mr. Whittington croaks.

Not that I'm hoping for that, ya know, but wouldn't it be ............ ?

Well, you know.

[Beetwasher]

8. Umm, Lot's Of People

Everywhere.

[shance]

4. Absolutely.

He has lied repeatedly. He has engaged in acts that have created thousands of murders, deaths and destruction.

He has shown his capabilities to Americans repeatedly.

[txindy]

5. No one should give Darth anything, imo.

But is this thread "grounded in reality?" :evilgrin: Sorry. Couldn't help myself. :spank:

[oldtime dfl_er]

9. I'll tell you one thing

I didn't watch deadeye's interview on Faux, but I did hear one thing that he said, and that was that one reason dick gave for not making a public statement right away was that they were waiting to make sure Harry was going to be okay. I'll try to find the transcript, or maybe someone has a link to it, but that's a pretty telling remark, in my book.

http://www.cafepress.com/scarebaby/936290

[oldtime dfl_er]

Here's that part of the transcript

Hume: Now, what thought did you give, then, to how — you must have known that this was — whether it was a matter of state, or not, was news. What thought did you give that evening to how this news should be transmitted?

Cheney: Well, my first reaction, Brit, was not to think: I need to call the press. My first reaction is: My friend, Harry, has been shot and we’ve got to take care of him. That evening there were other considerations. We wanted to make sure his family was taken care of. His wife was on the ranch. She wasn’t with us when it happened, but we got her hooked up with the ambulance on the way to the hospital with Harry. He has grown children; we wanted to make sure they were notified, so they didn’t hear on television that their father had been shot. And that was important, too.

But we also didn’t know what the outcome here was going to be. We didn’t know for sure what kind of shape Harry was in. We had preliminary reports, but they wanted to do a CAT scan, for example, to see how — whether or not there was any internal damage, whether or not any vital organ had been penetrated by any of the shot. We did not know until Sunday morning that we could be confident that everything was probably going to be okay.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11373634/

[txindy]

13. Interesting and, yes, very telling. n/t

[AndyTiedye]

26. If Harry Wasn't Going to Make It, Were They Going to Dump His Body…

…in the swamp somewhere?

[txindy]

31. Probably not.

But only because they weren't near any swamps. ;) He probably would've 'passed on' in his sleep. At home in Austin. Kind of a long-distance passing. :eyes: No cause of death would be listed in the obituary and, simply by looking at his age, people would infer it was due to age. No mention would ever be made of his whereabouts that weekend.

[tyedyeto]

10. The Dick is a maniac and cannot be trusted...EVER!

My first thought about the 'incident' was... why would someone coming up behind the firing line, as has been asserted from the beginning, be shot by someone spinning around 180 degrees? Then comes the question of why no one was interviewed by local law enforcement until the next morning after an injury occurring shooting happened? Why is the only eyewitness report from someone who was approx. 100 yards away? Questions that have not been answered and probably never will.

NEVER trust The Dick to give a truthful answer!

[fearnobush]

11. Becasue the media wants to hide "Funeralgate"

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Whittington>

[tridim]

12. Think about who "everyone" actually is

Everyone = RW pundits, BushCo reprentatives, "Liberal Media" talking heads and fascist talk show hosts. They have a monopoly in the media.

Every Liberal with a microphone, rare as they are, has been asking the same questions we are.

[Beetwasher]

14. No, Not From What I've Seen

Yes, that IS a big part of it. But there ARE lot's of tacit assumptions being made by lot's of people everywhere, and not just the shills.

[tridim]

15. Who?

I can't think of one real Liberal who is buying the BS.

Franken isn't buying it, just on MSNBC.

[Beetwasher]

16. Good!

Glad to hear that.

But this should be referred to as an "alleged accident" everywhere and by everyone AFAIC. That's what I mean by tacit assumptions.

[txindy]

19. There are some in other threads who are buying it, unfortunately.

However, whether they are liberals isn't for me to say.

[tyedyeto]

22. Read some of what's been posted here

You will see some who are defending everything The Dick has done since Saturday.

[hexola]

17. 13 FUCKS - You are a fucking genius!!!

You sure know how to fuck with people...

[Beetwasher]

18. Fuck Yeah!

One more for good measure!

[jus_the_facts]

20. I doubt we'll ever know the truth about this or anything else.....

....they're accused of....I mean the WHOLE TRUTH and NOTHING BUT.

[Beetwasher]

21. LOL! That SMILEY!

Brilliant! :loveya:

[jus_the_facts]

23. hehehe...glad ya liked it dahlin'...

[Rocknrule]

27. They didn't give Clinton the benefit of the doubt when he got a BJ

why should we give Darth Cheney the benefit of the doubt after he almost killed a guy?

[lonestarnot]

30. I'm not anyone, and I didn't!

[myrna minx]

32. Last night on CBS news Gloria Borger was breathlessly

wondering how Cheney has been feeling. :cry: She was trying to change the story to poor Cheney, he feels sooo baaaad. She then went on to say the Harry Whittington's family is more worried about Cheney than their own loved one. (Where did she 'hear' this, from Cheney's office?) :cry: Then this morning, Bob
Scheiffer, on CBS this Morning stated, "well I've heard that Cheney feels really baaadd and that his family is more worried about Cheney then Mr. Whittington" This was all my paraphrasing, of course. This is driving me so crazy. :crazy: The press is so incredulous about this administration. :banghead: It's like if Cheney says it, then it *has* to be true. :crazy:

[wake.up.america]

33. How many people ever thought they would live in a country ruled by

second rate. two bit, greedy liars?

We read all the time about third-world rulers such as Papa Doc in Haiti, and now look what you have in the White House.

[Angry Girl]

34. Obey authority. Truuuuust authority. Remember Milgram? It's worse now.

Stanley Milgram? OK, for those of you who snoozed through Psych class,
in the early '60's Stanley Milgram found that

65% of his subjects, ordinary residents of New Haven, were willing to give apparently harmful electric shocks-up to 450 volts-to a pitifully protesting victim, simply because a scientific authority commanded them to, and in spite of the fact that the victim did not do anything to deserve such punishment.

http://www.stanleymilgram.com/milgram.php

That's scary, yeah, and it shows pretty much that as a group, we're a bunch of sheep. But wait, there's worse to come! The Echo Boomers, Gen Y, or the Millenials - that is, the children of the Baby Boomers!

Well, this coddled and highly confident lot (often without the benefit of ever having actually worked for or accomplished anything - watch the early rounds of American Idol and you'll get the picture) constitutes almost a third of the U.S. population....

"They have been heavily programmed. The kids who have had soccer Monday, Kung Fu Tuesday, religious classes Wednesday, clarinet lessons Thursday. Whose whole lives have really been based on what some adult tells them to do," says Levine.

"This is a generation that has long aimed to please. They've wanted to please their parents, their friends, their teachers, their college admissions officers."

It's a generation in which rules seem to have replaced rebellion, convention is winning out over individualism, and values are very traditional.

<SNIP>

"Nothing could be more anti-boom than being a good team player, right? Fitting in. Worrying less about leadership than follower-ship," says Howe. "If you go into a public school today, teamwork is stressed everywhere. Team teaching, team grading, collaborative sports, community service, service learning, student juries. I mean, the list goes on and on."

Continued....
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/01/60minutes/printable646890.shtml

Be afraid. Be very afraid.