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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:05 AM
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Blatant lie by Cheney today: "He was struck in the right side...."
Here's a clip from the text of today's interview at Fox. The transcript is to the right, in the LBN column. About halfway down:, Cheney:

He said Whittington was dressed properly in orange and the upper part of his body was visible, but he was standing in a gully with the sun behind him, which affected his view.

"I saw him fall, basically. It had happened so fast," Cheney said. "He was struck in the RIGHT side of his face, his neck and his upper torso on the RIGHT side of his body."

He said Whittington was conscious and breathing but stunned silent.
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Now here's what the sheriff's report shows: Whittington was struck on the LEFT side of the face, the LEFT side of the torso.

DU:ers: we have caught Cheney in an outrageous lie. Now I want the media to pick up on this. They have it in Black and White.

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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:07 AM
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1. Only side Cheney recognizes is the Dark Side
;)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:08 AM
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2. I caught that one also. but will give him some leeway. left right left
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:48 AM
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43. A sort of dyslexia you might expect from the chimp...
But everyone makes that mistake.

It's really not material that Cheney said 'right' instead of 'left'.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:11 AM
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3. whittington is a lawyer; he got hit in his other face
heh
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Bumblebee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:12 AM
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4. Of course it's the left side -- otherwise how would it be near his heart?
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FearofFutility Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:08 AM
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38. The shot came in at an angle?
:shrug:
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:08 PM
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48. Yes, that's a very important point.
The only way that Cheney can rescue his ass from this is that he meant to his right. But that doesn't make sense, either.

If W. got hit on his LEFT SIDE, Cheney would have to be to the left of Whittington. Cheney turned to his RIGHT, and hit W.

Just weird, if you ask me.

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FearofFutility Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:31 PM
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54. I'm confused
Couldn't W. have been either to the left or right of Cheney and still ended up with wounds to the left? Or to the right for that matter. We don't know which way W.'s body was oriented. :shrug:
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:13 AM
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5. I'll play Cheney's Advocate. Maybe Dick meant his right.
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 12:13 AM by Beelzebud
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:14 AM
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6. So that's Big Lie No. 3
Cheney says Armstrong was an eye-witness, that's why he felt it appropriate that she contact the press. Armstrong has already said days ago that she was at a distance, when she saw Cheney's SS men react and thought he'd had another heart attack.

Cheney says he shot Whittington because he'd mistaken him for a bird. And yet he ALSO says today that he 'clearly saw him fall to the ground'. If he could clearly see him fall, how could he NOT have clearly seen him just a few SECONDS before?

And yes, I just watched a clip of the interview a few minutes ago. I was STUNNED to hear him say that Whittington had been hit on his RIGHT side, when there probably isn't a living soul in the country who doesn't KNOW he was struck on the LEFT.

Memo to Cheney: When you find yourself stuck in a hole, the first thing you do is STOP DIGGING.

What a buffoon!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:26 AM
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17. one account says she said she was in the car-unaware till she saw
cheneys men run toward Mr. m.

.......Armstrong has already said days ago that she was at a distance, when she saw Cheney's SS men react and thought he'd had another heart attack.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:31 AM
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21. here is Armstrong account of what happened.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D8FONJ181.html

.....Not realizing Whittington had returned to the line to his right, Cheney was tracking a quail when he fired, striking Whittington's face, neck and chest with birdshot.

Sitting in the hunting car, Armstrong didn't know there was a problem until she saw Cheney's security detail running.

"The first thing that crossed my mind was (Cheney) had a heart problem," she said.

She said Cheney stayed close to Whittington while also trying to stay out of the way of those treating him.........
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:50 AM
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25. Exactly.
WTF is going on here? She makes a statement (as you and I have both cited) on Sunday as to what she saw happen. He comes out today and totally contradicts his own (alleged) eye-witness.

And yet this man has had FOUR days to get his story -- and everyone else's story -- straight.

WTF?
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:08 AM
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29. and Armstrong made the announcement b/c"She knew and understood hunting"
and she'd seen the whole thing.


DICK, do you not know and understand hunting? did you not see what you had done?
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:15 AM
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7. Cheney's right is Whittington's left.
Common mistake under stress, Cheney mixed up his right and left when telling the story.

Stupid mistake when not under stress but possibly under the influence is shooting when the sun is somewhat in your eyes. The facts of Cheney's negligence just get worse and worse.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:15 AM
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8. Oh that's just his self-centered nature showing through.

"Stage right?"

Oh man. Maybe this whole thing is all a hoax from the start -- he also lied about whether the ranch owner witnessed it (see greatest page.)

Or maybe he had a little heart trouble of his own and squeezed one off as he fell.

Agh it's maddening.

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:16 AM
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9. The game warden's report says right side, although the drawing
on the same report shows the left side. I haven't seen the sheriff's report. I thought I heard the doctors describe the wounds as on the right, too. So the sheriff's report is at odds with all the other witnesses.

It shouldn't be hard to figure out. Just look at his wounds. I doubt Cheney would lie about that. Too easy to catch. Then again, he might, just to get away with it.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:23 AM
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15. No one has seen the Sheriffs report--we see a Press Release from the
Sheriff--not the actual report on smokinggun.

.I haven't seen the sheriff's report.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:26 AM
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18. Well, where's the press release saying left side? The SG document
says right side.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:18 AM
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31. This is easy to figure out...what side is the heart and liver on?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:17 AM
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10. I wondered about that too
I think Matthews repeated that it was on the right side and I was wondering where he got that from. Is this how arrogant Cheney is, it doesn't even occur to him he should know this stuff. Or how callous he is that he doesn't care. Just bizarre.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:21 AM
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12. This is the first I've heard it was on the left. When did they start
saying that? The initial report said right.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:24 AM
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16. but drawing on smokinggun.com website has LEFT marked.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:29 AM
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20. It clearly says "Right Side."
"Shotgun wound to right side of face, neck." The full frontal schematic shows what would be the drawing's left, but that's not usually how those are filled out. The side view is clearly the right side.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:29 AM
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19. Yes, the drawing
The only way the drawing and right side shot report can match is if the drawing is the right side of his back, which would mean that's where he was hit, which wouldn't make alot of sense if it was him walking up without announcing himself. Olbermann also said there was some report that he was in a gully or possibly bent over somehow, which is a whole other bundle of questions.

Weirderer and weirderer.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:32 AM
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22. The side view drawing shows the right side.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:02 AM
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27. So is that his back?
Did it hit him in the back and right side?? :shrug:

How does that make any sense at all, with Whittington walking up on them without announcing. :shrug:

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:20 AM
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33. Well, you have three possibilities
One, everyone in the world is wrong except one drawing on a form that otherwise indicates the right side. Two, the game warden made a mistake. Three, the game warden fills out these forms from his perspective not that of the drawings--and I've seen insurance forms filled out that way, so it isn't a stretch.

Take your pick. But I don't see any evidence that the first is even remotely possible. It's not like the guy vanished. The doctors are working on him now, he will eventually leave the hospital--dead or alive--and people will be able to see where he was shot, unless they have perfected skin grafts over wounds to the face and neck for 78 year old men. Why would Cheney lie about that? What possible advantage would he gain by telling a lie that could be so easily disproven when he could just as easily make up a story that had the victim shot on the side he was really shot on?

He was shot on the right. I don't see any hint of evidence otherwise.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:48 AM
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34. It only matters if it was the right back
Which is the only way I can interpret the full body drawing. I don't understand any other way to fill out the form.

Has anybody actually said there was injury to his face and neck, or is that what was presumed based on the story that Whittington had walked up behind Cheney.

None of this story really makes any sense.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:30 AM
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39. "Shotgun wound to right side of face, neck."
From the very report everyone is trying to claim says the left side.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:34 PM
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44. Which the drawing doesn't match n/t
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 04:46 PM
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50. You mean one of the two drawings might not match
You've got the words saying right side, you've got one of the drawings saying right side, and you have a third drawing that you think was supposed to be filled out one way (but aren't sure) that might show the left side. There is nothing else ANYWHERE on the planet to suggest the left side.


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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 04:54 PM
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51. There's no other way to interpret that drawing
I'm not arguing where the guy was or wasn't shot. I really don't care because the guy was still shot and shouldn't have been. I'm not even saying there was anything nefarious in the report, etc.

I'm just saying that one drawing is colored on either the left side, or the right back. There's no other way to interpret it.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:07 PM
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52. Yes there is
As I and others have pointed out, sometimes forms like this are supposed to be filled out from the officer's perspective, not the perspective of the drawing itself. Without knowing what the warden's instructions for the form are, you can't even be sure it's a mistake.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:25 PM
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53. I've never heard of that, not ever
I worked in a police dept and for attorneys. I can't ever recall that interpretation of those kinds of forms. It makes no sense and sounds like something pulled out of someone's ass. Nothing personal, it just does.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:20 AM
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11. odd, but keith Olberman repeated that it was the Right side also and did
his guest--who was some 'bird hunting expert"

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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:21 AM
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13. this lawyer has his heart on the right side....
that's what Dick meant
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skylarmae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:21 AM
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14. if cheney visited Whittington in the hospital you'd think he could see
which side the guy was bandaged on, or did the police get it wrong? What is going on? This gets more complicated and convoluted by the minute.

And the RW spin is that the press has blown this so out of proportion and are being their liberal manic selves!

So, did he or didn't he see him felled in the field? If so, wouldn't he notice at that point on which side Whittington was hit.

Something smells fishy at the wharf.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:33 AM
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23. cheney did see his fall and saw the blood and said Right side -see
the transcript.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:37 AM
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24. it get it now--it is like looking in a mirrow --left and right are exact
opposites.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:02 AM
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26. IF you can't tell your left from right, you know you're buzzed...besides
the other big lie is how "harry didn't announce himself" when DICKhead was wearing Ear Protection.

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:04 AM
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28. Ear Protection??
Really? Where'd you hear that?
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:10 AM
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30. I saw it...here>>> Photo: (and here...2 photos)
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 01:12 AM by goodboy
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:19 AM
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32. Easy to figure out: What side is your heart and liver on?
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FearofFutility Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:06 AM
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37. Heart on left, liver on right. n/t
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 09:06 AM by FearofFutility
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 07:27 AM
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35. I just saw the clip and Hume sat there and didn't say anything
and haven't heard anyone refute it today :argh:
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 07:34 AM
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36. Guess we'll have to wait until the first pic of Whittington is published,
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:33 AM
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40. Glad you posted this, I caught it as well, K&R n/t
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:36 AM
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41. Playing devil's advocate.. It would have been Cheney's right, right?
If he shot Harry on left side and Harry was facing him, than it would have been Dick's right side..
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:41 PM
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46. indeed
Cheney's right would have been Whittington's left
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:45 AM
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42. Ummm, he was hit on the right. Here's the police report:
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 09:46 AM by brainshrub


Cheney's a wanker, but cut the guy some slack. His right? The victim's left? Depends on the how you describe it.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:44 PM
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47. Wow. The gully either was really deep or Cheney was aiming way too high.
The quails I see around here are usually running on the ground. They do fly up onto trees but I have never seen them really "fly" like other birds.

Just wondering....
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FearofFutility Donating Member (764 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:34 PM
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55. The picture looks like he was hit on the left side of his body
At least from the first figure. I can't make out the rest.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:38 PM
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45. Any significance of this?
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:13 PM
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49. What was the dumb ass in such an all fire hurry for? Three people
hunting and he can't see one of them, why didn't he call out before he shot? I know I would have in that situation. Check to make sure you know where the other hunters are located, how long would that have taken. If he had done that, there would be no need to make up lies and excuses. Weak Dick!
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 05:44 PM
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56. He was hit on HIS LEFT, CHENEY'S RIGHT
please, this is not a lie
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