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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:32 AM
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Sen. Chuck Schumer is DLC ~ he not only betrayed Hackett, he's doing it
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 01:14 AM by Catrina
in other states, to other great Democrats, including Elliot Spitzer who is running for NY Governor in NY.

I already posted information on this in another thread, but I have seen many denials that he is a DLC member, and thought it best to take a closer look at the man who drove Paul Hackett out of the race in Ohio ~

He seems to have appointed himself to go other states and choose for the people of those states, the candidates who will and will not run.

He is an avid supporter of the neocon PNAC plans for the ME. He can tolerate a man like Rep. Brown's original opposition to the war because no one outside of Ohio knows Brown and he's not an Iraq War Veteran.

Hackett is far more of a threat against the wars planned for the ME, therefore, Schumer took it upon himself to get rid of him.

We in NY know Schumer, he's not a nice person, so it was no surprise to learn that it was he who went behind Hackett's back and told his donors not to contribute to him anymore.


The DLC website features him here:

http://www.dlc.org/search_results.cfm

And here is an opinion of him that is shared by many NYers who come to know a little more of him since he became a Senator. This article was written BEFORE the Paul Hackett betrayal so you can see the pattern. He will go from state to state, and we the people will not be given a chance to choose a candidate, not of Chuck has anything to do with it.

If you haven’t studied the DLC website, you should. Get to know who their people are in congress. See for yourself how they water down strong, solid Democratic visions and ideas. You have to wonder if they are really just working for the Republicans, just another kind of dirty op, like the swift boat ads, the detectives hired to dig up dirt on strong democratic candidates, etc. It sometimes seems that the DLC is sabotaging the Democratic party.

Then we have DLC celebrity Senator Schumer from New York, deciding that he’s going to help us decide who will run as Democrats in the next congressional and senatorial election cycle of 2006. He thinks he’s delegated the Pennsylvania candidate to run against Rick Santorum, and he’s bragging that he and his people are taking the decision making process out of the hands of the people of Pennsylvania and, I guess, out of the hands of the people in other battleground states, where he thinks his opinion of who should run is more important than THE PEOPLE’s opinion.

In PA, Schumer picked a good old boy—Bob Casey, jr., son of a former democratic governor— a guy who opposes abortion, who would have voted for the Iraq war and who probably opposes stem cell research, contraception and sex education (though we don’t know, since he’s running a stealth campaign, probably because his handlers know that the more we in Pennsylvania see him, the less we’ll like him.

But I digress. My point is that Schumer picked a candidate for the biggest, most visible election of 2006, who basically sells out the right to abortion that women have fought so hard to get. Selling out abortion is like pulling out the ground from beneath the solid footing of the women’s movement. If Casey wins, the DLC will use the victory to argue that all Democratic candidates should sell out women and who knows what else. I can’t imagine the Democratic women of New York state supporting Schumer after he’s pulled such a treacherous, betraying move. His hubris should be his undoing and I hope he faces a strong challenger come his next election. (I hear he’s a very vindictive politician—another reason to get rid of him.)


http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_rob_kall_050821_real_democrats_must_.htm

I'm glad I took the trouble to look this up ~ I knew he was DLC, but I did NOT know the plans he had for the 2006 election. We can look forward to the destruction of many candidates that do not meet Chuck Schumer's approval, it seems. Paul Hackett wasn't the first, and won't be the last.

Before investing in anyone else I think the DNC better do something about this. This weasel of a man, without the courage to face the man he was about to destroy, in every instance, couldn't hold a candle to Paul Hackett ~

Edited to fix DLC link which features Chuck Schumer ~
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:35 AM
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1. Schumer is not on the DLC list. Spitzer is.
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 12:36 AM by LittleClarkie
See:

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Barbara Blanchard, County Legislator, Tompkins County NY
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Marty Block, Community College Trustee, San Diego CA
Alice Borodkin, State Representative, CO
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Betty Boyd, State Representative, CO
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Daniel Brady, State Senator, OH
Zach Brandon, City Councilmember, Madison WI
John Brenner, Mayor, York PA
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Maria Cantwell, U.S. Senator, WA SCALITO VOTE??? HELLO!!!!
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Twanda Carlisle, Council Member, Pittsburgh PA
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Adolfo Carrion, Borough President, Bronx NY
Terrance D. Carroll, State Representative, CO
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Bill Cegelka, City Council Member, Lexington KY
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Ken Cheuvront, State Senator, AZ
Carol Chumney, Council Member, City of Memphis TN
Paul Clark, Town Supervisor, West Seneca NY
Hillary Clinton, U.S. Senator, NY
Martha Coakley, District Attorney, Middlesex County MA
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Steve Cohn, City Councilmember, Sacramento CA
Michael Coleman, Mayor, Columbus, OH
Fran Coleman, State Representative, CO
Kent Conrad, U.S. Senator, ND
Christopher Coons, Council President, New Castle Co., DE
Roy A. Cooper III, Attorney General, NC
Lou Correa, Supervisor, Orange County CA
Cathy Cox, Secretary of State, GA
Joseph Crowley, U.S. Representative, NY
J. Joseph Curran, State Attorney General, MD
Lou D'Allesandro, State Senator, NH
Ruth Damsker, County Commissioner, Montgomery Co., PA
Swati Dandekar, State Representative, IA
Jim Davis, U.S. Representative, FL
Ray Davis, Registrar, Stafford County VA
Artur Davis, U.S. Representative, AL
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Sergio De Leon, Constable, Tarrant County TX
Ryan Deckert, State Senator, OR
Rocky Delgadillo, City Attorney, Los Angeles, CA
Christopher Dodd, U.S. Senator, CT I didn't know Dodd was DLC!! :grr:
Byron Dorgan, U.S. Senator, ND
Jim Doyle, Governor, WI
Doug Duncan, County Executive, Montgomery County MD
Joseph Dunn, State Senator, CA
Michael Easley, Governor, NC
Doug Echols, Mayor, Rock Hill SC
W.A. Drew Edmondson, State Attorney General, OK
Rahm Emanuel, U.S. Representative, IL tsk, tsk, tsk...Rahm, Rahm, Rahm...shame, shame, shame!
Eliot Engel, U.S. Representative, NY
Bob Etheridge, U.S. Representative, NC
Robert Faucheux, State Representative, LA
Dianne Feinstein, U.S. Senator, CA FIGURES, doesn't it?
John Fernandez, Mayor, Bloomington IN
Barry R. Finegold, State Representative, MA
Eric Fingerhut, State Senator, OH
Joan Fitz-Gerald, State Senator, CO
Michael L. Fitzgerald, State Treasurer, IA
Jamie Fleet, City Councilman, Gettysburg PA
Elizabeth G. Flores, Mayor, Laredo, TX
Dean Florez, State Assemblymember, CA
Romanie Foege, State Representative, IA
Harold Ford, Jr. , U.S. Representative, TN Surprise, surprise, surprise!
Dan B. Frankel, State Representative, PA
Shirley Franklin, Mayor, Atlanta GA
John A. Fritchey, State Representative, IL
Douglas F. Gansler, State's Attorney for Montgomery Co., MD
Michael Garcia, State Representative, CO
Steven A. Geller, State Senator, FL
Allen Jay Gerson, Council Member, New York City NY
Glen D. Gilmore, Mayor, Hamilton NJ
Michael Golden, Borough Council Member, Jenkintown PA
Ron Gonzales, Mayor, San Jose, CA
Charlie Gonzalez, United States Representative, TX
Phil Gordon, Mayor, Phoenix AZ
Ken Gordon, State Senator, CO
Jennifer Granholm, Governor, MI THIS is too bad, Jen.
Darlene Green, City Comptroller, St. Louis, MO
Ron L. Greenstein, State Representative, FL
James S. Gregory, City Councilman, Bethlehem, PA
Wendy Greuel, City Council, Los Angeles CA
Daniel Grimes, City Council, Goshen IN
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Daniel Grossman, State Senator, CO
Ken Guin, Majority Leader, AL
Bob Hagedorn, State Senator, CO
Karen Hale, State Senator, UT
Lee Hammond, State Representative, NH
DeAnna Hanna, State Senator, CO
Jane Harman, U.S. Representative, CA ..... FIGURES!
Jeff Harris, State Representative, MO
Patrick Henry Hays, Mayor, North Little Rock, AR
Martin J. Heft, First Selectman, Chester CT
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Thomas Hickner, County Executive, Bay County, MI
Brian Higgins, U.S. Representative, NY
Richard Hildreth, Mayor, Pacific WA
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Rush Holt, U.S. Representative, NJ ....damn :(
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Sam Hoyt, State Assemblymember, NY
Dave Hunt, State Representative, OR
Ross Hunter, State Representative, WA
Geri Huser, State Representative, IA
Daniel W. Hynes, State Comptroller, IL
Jay Inslee, U.S. Representative, WA .....what a shame! I liked this guy. :(
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Michael Jackson, State Representative, LA
Gilda Z. Jacobs, State Senator, MI
Wendy Jaquet, State House Minority Leader, ID
Nicholas Jellins, Mayor Prom Tem, Menlo Park, CA
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Douglas Jennings Jr., House Democratic Leader, SC
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Patty Judge, Secretary of Agriculture, IA
Charlie Justice, State Representative, FL
Tim Kaine, Lt. Governor, VA
Steve Kelley, Senate Majority Whip, MN
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John Kerry, U.S. Senator, MA
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Kwame Kilpatrick, Mayor, Detroit, MI
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Victor King, Trustee, Glendale, CA
Herb Kohl, U.S. Senator, WI .....Judiciary Committee member. :(
Richard Kriseman, City Council Chairman, St. Petersburg, FL
Annie Kuether, State Representative, KS
Rosalind Kurita, State Senator, TN
Eric LaFleur, State Representative, LA
Mary Landrieu, U.S. Senator, LA ......Mary, Mary, Mary.....sad. :(
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Patricia Lantz, State Representative, WA
Rick Larsen, U.S. Representative, WA
John Larson, U.S. Representative, CT
Joe Lieberman, U.S. Senator, CT ....need I say more? :eyes:
Blanche Lincoln, U.S. Senator, AR ...........................UGH!!!!
David Lindenmuth, Councilman, Woodstown Borough NJ
Duane E. Little, Assessor, Shoshone Co., ID
Alice Madden, State Representative, CO
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Jack Markell, State Treasurer, DE
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Richard H. Moore, State Treasurer, NC
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Jim Moran, U.S. Representative, VA
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Keith Mulvihill, Commissioner, Mt. Lebanon PA
Charles A. Murphy, State Representative, MA
Pat Murphy, State Representative, IA
Ed Murray, State Representative, WA
Therese Murray, State Senator, MA
Janet Napolitano, Governor, AZ ....What a shame.
Bill Nelson, U.S. Senator, FL
Ben Nelson, U.S. Senator, NE ...........No surprise here!
Gavin C. Newsom, Mayor, San Francisco CA
Michael Nutter, City Councilman, Philadelphia, PA
Martin O'Malley, Mayor, Baltimore, MD
Michael A. O'Pake, State Senator, PA
Marc R. Pacheco, State Senator, MA
Alex Padilla, City Councilman, Los Angeles, CA
Alfred Park, State Representative, NM
Sally Pederson, Lieutenant Governor, IA
William Peduto, City Councilmember, Pittsburgh PA
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Scott Peters, City Councilman, San Diego, CA
Janet Petersen, State Representative, IA
Bart Peterson, Mayor, Indianapolis IN
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Jeffrey Plale, State Senator, WI
Tom Plant, State Representative, CO
Charles Potter, Council Member, Wilmington DE
Debra Powell, Mayor, East St. Louis, IL
David Price, U.S. Representative, NC
Mark Pryor, U.S. Senator, AR.......THIS explains a lot, no?
Brian Quirk, State Representative, IA
David Ragucci, Mayor, Everett, MA
Aaron Reardon, Snohomish County Executive, WA
Stephen Reed, Mayor, Harrisburg, PA
Ed Rendell, Governor, PA
Ann H. Rest, State Senator, MN
Joe Rice, Mayor, Glendale, CO
Graham Richard, Mayor, Fort Wayne, IN
John Richardson, State Representative, ME
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Joe Riley, Mayor, Charleston SC
Andrew Romanoff, State Representative,, CO
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Adam B. Schiff, U.S. Representative, CA
Jefferey Schoenberg, State Senator, IL
Allyson Schwartz, U.S. Representative, PA
Timothy Scott, Council Member, Carlisle Borough PA
David Scott, U.S. Representative, GA
Kathleen Sebelius, Governor, KS
Eugene M. Sellers, Vermillion Parish Engineer, Lafayette, LA
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Kenneth Shetter, Mayor, Burleson TX
Ron Sims, County Executive, King County, WA
Scott Slifka, Mayor, West Hartford CT
Adam Smith, U.S. Representative, WA
Malcolm A. Smith, State Senator, NY
James Smith, House Democratic Leader, SC
Rod Smith, State Senator, FL
Vic Snyder, United States Representative, AR
Eleanor Sobel, State Representative, FL
Andrew Spano, County Executive, Westchester Co., NY
Carol Spielman, County Board Member, Lake County IL
Eliot Spitzer, State Attorney General, NY
Debbie Stabenow, U.S. Senator, MI ....crap!
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Larry Stone, Assessor, Santa Clara County, CA
Peter Sullivan, State Representative, NH
Harvey D. Tallackson, State Senator, ND
Abel J. Tapia, State Representative, CO
Ellen Tauscher, U.S. Representative, CA
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Mark Taylor, Lieutenant Governor, GA
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Juan Vargas, State Assemblymember, CA
Jennifer Veiga, State Representative, CO
Val Vigil, State Representative, CO
Michael Villarreal, State Representative, TX
Tom Vilsack, Governor, IA ...... :grr: THE reason for this list posting!
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Lewis J. Wallace, State Representative, CT
Mark Warner, Governor, VA
Steven Warnstadt, State Representative, IA
Jonathan Weinzapfel, State Representative, IN
Jack Weiss, City Council, Los Angeles CA
Peggy M. Welch, State Representative, IN
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:49 AM
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6. Chuck is not exactly a stranger to the DLC
You are correct though, he is as yet not a signatory member.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:21 AM
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18. *lol* ~ I like where you placed your smilies, and I agree!!
Yes, Schumer is not on the list, but he is featured on the site ~ and it's generally accepted that he supports their agenda ~

I think they are making it hard for a candidate to win unless they accept the support of the DLC.

People here think it's proof that Chuck Schumer is not DLC because he backed Brown who is more liberal than Paul Hackett (although I disagree with that, Paul Hackett is very liberal). But that's not how the DLC works as far as I can see.

Remember how liberal Hillary USED to be until she became involved with the DLC?

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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:52 AM
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24. Good grief! Those smilies were on the list I copied!
Not my smilies, but another DUer who said "Memorize this list."

I think the fact that Spitzer is on the list, as well as my buddy Kerry, also shows that someone can be technically a DLC person, but sort of in name only. I dunno how From treats Spitzer, but I often get the feeling that Kerry is the red-headed stepchild of the DLC.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:27 AM
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27. I agree with your take on the DLC ~ I don't know much about Spitzer's
positions on the issues, because he has been working on going after corporate corruption as NYAG and that is how I know him. He is certainly highly respected among NY liberals, as well as moderate Republicans, Independents and Democrats, particalurly because of his honesty ~

He is running for Governor now, and Schumer has been backstabbing him also ~ many believe out of pettiness because he too wanted to run for governor. Schumer doesn't seem to be able to just face people with his grievances. Reminds me of Bush in that way. He is vengeful and basically ignores us little people.

This situation with Hackett has drawn people's attention to him more and I think they will remember it, along with his backstabbing of Spitzer and others, in his next election, if he runs for the Senate. I think he's planning to run for president and I would definitely not support him for that.

I'll have to learn more about him since he intends to influence this election so much ~ he's already struck a very nasty blow to the base of his party by his sneaky, flip-flopping on Hackett ~ giving the Republicans a lot to be happy about ~

But as far as the DLC, I agree with you ~ I think it's about money for some. Rich candidates can fund their own campaigns, as Corzine did and also Bloomberg, who switched from the Dem. party and became a Repub in 2001 to run for mayor ~
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:51 AM
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45. My thougths on Spitzer
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:06 AM
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32. I used to have a bookmark to the DLC list
but funny around two weeks ago the list can not be found. I looked to see if they put it someplace else on the site but no can find.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 06:26 PM
Response to Reply #32
42. It's still there somewhere, but the link on their page to it doesn't work
I'm thinking it's under construction.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:38 AM
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2. Contact Schumer about these issues
Doing away with women's rights? I would love every New Yorker to contact Schumer about his lack of support for women's rights.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:56 AM
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10. I have written to him in the past and have never received a response
from him, not even an electronic acknowledgement. I gave up and wrote to Hillary instead. At least she acknowledges email ~ but you're right, he should be contacted about it.

I think the article says he is supporting a candidate who is anti-abortion, I'm not sure of Schumer's own position on that to be honest. I'll have to check, I assumed he was pro-choice, but maybe not.

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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:37 AM
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21. Schumer should have his feet held to the fire about women's
rights.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:52 AM
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25. Yes, but that's what I don't like about Schumer, or one of the things
I don't like. He's just a politician, and very arrogant. I don't think his convictions go that deep ~ so he probably didn't care that the people of Penn. may not want someone who is anti-choice ~ it's not his state, after all ~ I've never liked him, just as a person. He's way too self-absorbed and I'm not sure what he really stands for ~
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:38 AM
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3. Thanks for the info. I had caught glimpes of this earlier today,
but wasn't quite sure I read what I did read. If this is true and the DLC is picking candidates, then American is dead. Of course, I think America died the day we invaded Iraq, but there was always that small flicker that things could get back under control. Without a 2 party system, we have a dictatorship. A third party would be great, but it would take years to get one into the system and the other "two parties" would make sure the third party couldn't get too far.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:47 AM
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4. But Brown is to the left of Hackett on a lot of issues, and Spitzer is on
the DLC list.


So I am real confused by your post. It just doesn't make sense.

See Browns ratings:

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=H3141103&type=category&category=Foreign%2BAid%2Band%2BPolicy%2BIssues&go.x=12&go.y=8




(PS Spitzer and Hackett are super. I understand Hackett does not feel the way you do and has volunteered to help Brown - see this DU thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=428154&mesg_id=428154

)
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:47 AM
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5. I don't see him featured at that link, but a search on the site shows-
that the few articles that reference him are primarily about his support of the assault weapons ban (if the dlc favors it too, count ME in), a middle class tax benefit and a compromise on tort that is more liberal than what was passed.

I don't like any backroom manipulations of primaries, but I don't see how the dlc figures into this Hackett episode. There are so many factions that it's simplistic to attribute every ill onto just one of them.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:51 AM
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8. Plus Brown is apparently to the left of Hackett
so this scenario that the DLC is destroying progressive candidates just does not make sense in this case.

Vote smart on Brown

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=H3141103&type=category&category=Foreign%2BAid%2Band%2BPolicy%2BIssues&go.x=12&go.y=8

Seems pretty progressive to me.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:55 AM
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9. Exactly
Hackett is a moderate former republican and Brown is way more liberal. And lots of good democrats have or are affiliated with the DLC. Al Gore, Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Howard Dean, John Edwards. This is why you HAVE TO LOOK AT THE INDIVIDUAL and not the group.
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:16 AM
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33. Where did you get your information from?
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 08:48 AM by insane_cratic_gal
Source it.. I want to know where he said he was a former republican.

Hackett was a wealthy personal-injury lawyer, the product of well-endowed Indian Hill High and an elite Eastern prep school. That doesn't stink of former republican to me.

I think alot of assumptions have been made about this man's character without much to back it up.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:43 AM
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37. Yes, I would like to see proof of that also ~ and imo, Republicans
who have decided that this administration is disastrous to the country, are not a bad thing! I wish we could reform more of them ~

Still, I never heard Hackett claim to be a Republican. He is very liberal on the issues. Just as much so as Brown except on the gun laws.

He is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage and unlike Brown or other democrats, went on National Television and said so. I remember when I saw him say that he doesn't care whether gays get married or not, it's not his business or anyone else's either, and Tweety or whoever it was, nearly had a heart attack. He said he was more concerned about issues that really affected all of the people ~ it was a beautiful moment because he did not fall for the use of 'wedge issues' meant to trap Democrats into looking weak, and just made his statement and forced the talking head to move on to the war, the budget etc.

I never saw any other Democrat handle a talking head that well ~ they always end up being defensive and apologetic and end up looking weak. Hackett dismissed what he called a 'non-issue' with 'every American deserves the same rights, it's a no-brainer. Now, let's talk about this administration's total failure etc etc.' He was great, no apologies, no weak, wimpy attempt to be 'Republican'. Had Democrats acted that way from the beginning, we would not be in the mess we are right now.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:39 AM
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31. Sorry about that ~ I edited the post to fix the link n/t
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:06 AM
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13. It only figures in this because it was brought up and many have stated
that he was not associated with the DLC ~ I was fairly certain that he was.

Knowing him as a NYer, I was not surprised to find out he was behind the betrayal of Paul Hackett, but I did not know that he was involved in other similar back-stabbing of other Democrats.

What is most disturbing is, not only in this article, but in others I read today, that the DLC strategy is to eliminate primary candidates and let the party choose who will run ~ this is the third article I've seen on that today ~

What has the DNC said about this? I know that Dean was very disturbed about what happened to Hackett, so it seems he at least, doesn't like what's happening ~ and I felt that the people had a say in what candidates would run ~

I am afraid, now to support anyone, because it seems that Chuck Schumer will decide who runs and who does not. When did he get this job? And why would Harry Reid support these tactics?

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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:14 AM
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15. This is very true-
"...I know that Dean was very disturbed about what happened to Hackett, so it seems he at least, doesn't like what's happening ~ and I felt that the people had a say in what candidates would run"

We ARE the DNC and we should get to decide who runs. What I'd like to know is why Paul let himself be squeezed out. I have a hunch that the kitchen gets a lot hotter *after* one is elected. Did he go to the net roots who sustained him before with his money worries?

Every time I read about someone dropping out over money, it reminds me of those old Paul Wellstone tv ads- they showed him going about his business in footage that was sped way up, explaining that he didn't have the sort of budget his well-financed opponent had. He won.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:40 AM
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43. Assault weapons:
that the few articles that reference him are primarily about his support of the assault weapons ban (if the dlc favors it too, count ME in), a middle class tax benefit and a compromise on tort that is more liberal than what was passed.


Assault weapons:


Ruger mini-14 Ranch Rifle, banned by name by S.645 ("assault weapons ban").



Benelli turkey-hunting shotgun, banned by S.645 "assault weapons ban" due to the protruding handgrip.


I wish the party leadership would stop falling for this particular bait-and-switch. Military automatic weapons are already banned and have been for 71 years. Banning CIVILIAN rifles with modern looks may play well in NJ, but it's political suicide in pro-gun states.

The DLC was and continues to be the major force in the party pushing for bans on rifles with protruding handgrips, over-10-round handguns, and other defensive/nonhunting-style firearms since the early '90s. Only problem is, 80% of gun owners aren't hunters...including people like me. Browsing the DLC press releases on the issue, it seem they are pretty clueless about guns themselves, Federal gun law, and gun owner demographics.

DeWine is a major proponent of the AWB bait-and-switch and is universally hated by gun owners across the political spectrum. Hackett could have picked up votes of those voting against DeWine on the gun issue; Brown cannot. Prior to Hackett pulling out of the race, there was a great deal of cheering for him on the gun boards I frequent. Many those folks may now just sit out the election instead of voting for a ban-more-guns candidate.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:51 AM
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7. Sherrod Brown is as far from far, far, far from neocon thinking

courtesy of vote smart - link:

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=H3141103&type=category&category=Foreign%2BAid%2Band%2BPolicy%2BIssues&go.x=12&go.y=8

2006 In 2006 Citizens for Global Solutions gave Representative Brown a rating of A.

2005 In 2005 Citizens for Global Solutions gave Representative Brown a rating of A.

2005 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Council on American-Islamic Relations 100 percent in 2005.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs (WRMEA) 100 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Peace Action 100 percent in 2004.

Brown Tops DeWine in New Poll
An Opinion Consultants poll finds Ohio voters favor Rep. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) for the U.S. Senate over incumbent Sen. Mike DeWine (R-OH), 43% to 38%

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2006/01/26/brown_tops_dewine_in_new_poll.html

Sherrod Brown is endorsed by PDA (Progressive Democrats of America) and is an outspoken member of the Progressive Caucus.

Representative Brown is at least as liberal as Sen. Kennedy or Sen. Feingold

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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:59 AM
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11. I think people are missing the point you made...
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 12:59 AM by Mythsaje
This is about national exposure, which Hackett had and Brown did/does not.

It's an interesting point, and not without merit.

edited for clarity
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:10 AM
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14. Yes, that was my point, thank you ~
Paul Hackett had rock star quality, plus he is an Iraq Vet speaking out on national television against the war and the policies in the ME. I can imagine that gave Schumer heart palpitations, he had to go! And he succeeded by drying up his funds ~

Brown is not known at all, and anyway, he has now compromised somewhat on the war, and his position is 'since we are there we need to stabalize the country before leaving' I believe. That is acceptable to Schumer, because if Brown is interviewed on Television, that's all that will be heard.

These warmongers are going to destroy this country, imo ~ and they are not just in the Republican party.
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:20 AM
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34. Not to mention he bashed Rabid RWingers
and Fanatical Christians about 3 weeks ago.

If you want my honest thought, that was what caused the democratic leadership to flip out.

Not Brown but they couldn't control Hackett, or what was going to come out of his mouth.


Hackett I always thought of him as a Howard Dean Jr.
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PhilipShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:05 AM
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12. Brown has excellent liberal Democrat qualifications
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 01:14 AM by PhilipShore
He is Anti-Nuke and Pro Peace –- because the endorsements by progressive/ liberalism-minded organizations.

____________________________________

Vote-Smart

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=H3141103&type=category&category=Foreign%2BAid%2Band%2BPolicy%2BIssues&go.x=12&go.y=8

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Armenian National Committee of America 85 percent in 2004.

2004 Representative Brown supported the interests of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation 100 percent in 2004.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:17 AM
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16. It's the DSCC's job
That's what the DSCC is supposed to do, win Senate seats. I'm shocked shocked shocked that Schumer is trying to make the money stretch the furthest so we can use it against Republicans in the fall.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:20 AM
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17. Sherrod Brown is pro labor, but I'd like to hear Q&A with Shumer
And Brown.
Hacket's cool. He doesn't have to like Brown, or the way Shumer helped him up -only to kick out his legs- but Hacket will support Brown.

Did anyone hear him on Randi Rhodes or Big Eddy?
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Ciggies and coffee Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:25 AM
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19. He also Handicaps the Dems with fascist gun-control rhetoric n/t

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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:31 AM
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20. For once, this is not DLC's fault
It has to do with a few individual Dems, like Chuck Schumer, Henry Waxman, Rahm Emanuel, Harry Reid -- and Sherrod Brown.
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:49 AM
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23. You are probably right, but I doubt the DLC are unhappy that
Hackett is out of the race ~ he was way too outspoken about the Wars they so support and Chuck Schumer supports.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:47 AM
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44. DLC would definitely not prefer Brown, who's not a free-trader.
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LSdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:41 AM
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22. The real problem: Schumer's an old-school, machine-style political hack
More than any other modern politician he's epitomizes old-school, back-room politics. This really isn't ideological. In both PA and OH he's using strongarm tactics to get the candidates he thinks have the best shot at winning. The Spitzer thing is personal as Schumer wants to be the unquestioned king of New York Democratic politics. It is sick that Schumer can get away with this kind of crap in this day and age, but until the grassroots either develops organizations to replace the DSCC or take over the DCCC we don't really have the power to stop this nonsense.

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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:01 AM
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29. That seems to describe him pretty accurately from what I'm learning.
He doesn't seem to care much about the issues the candidates support (look at his support for the anti-choice candidate in Penn against the more liberal candidate).
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Free the Press Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:19 AM
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26. The Honorable Sherrod Brown: War & Peace votes - peacemajority.org
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 02:21 AM by Free the Press
http://www.peacemajority.org/dia/organizations/PeaceMajority/scorecard/scorecard.jsp?person_legislator_ID=242

Final Score: 78.0/104.0 votes=75%

Needs improvement, but consider these scores for Ohio's current US Senators:

The Honorable Mike DeWine:

Final Score: 4.0/88.0 votes=5%

http://www.peacemajority.org/dia/organizations/PeaceMajority/scorecard/scorecard.jsp?person_legislator_ID=385

and

The Honorable George Voinovich:

Final Score: 7.0/85.0 votes=8%

http://www.peacemajority.org/dia/organizations/PeaceMajority/scorecard/scorecard.jsp?person_legislator_ID=386

***

At least Brown did not vote to renew the Patriot Act.

However, he links the Iraq war to the "war on terror" and is a reliable vote for the military establishment's war-machine costs.

***

I happen to agree with the strategy of getting Hackett to run for Congress and pitting Brown against DeWine, given these two candidates to challenge Senator DeWine.

Brown is a far more polished politician, and Hackett would be far more effective as a first term Congressman, IMO.

The choice is realistic vs. idealistic, IMO.

***

The DLC has Rahm Emanuel perfectly placed, as Chair of the DCCC, to target and help candidates that achieve its objectives and to target and obliterate candidates that don't:

http://www.dccc.org/about/leadership/emanuel

Remarkably, the DLC which cannot directly engage in recruiting and providing substantial support to candidates for federal elected offices, according to its IRS 501(C)(4) status, has one of its members doing exactly that under another job title (Chair) for a different organization (DCCC):

"The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) serves as the official national Democratic campaign committee charged with recruiting, assisting, funding, and electing Democrats to the U. S. House of Representatives. We provide services ranging from designing and helping execute field operations, to polling, creating radio and television commercials, fundraising, communications, and management consulting.

"The DCCC is now chaired by Congressman Rahm Emanuel from the 5th district of Illinois in Chicago. In the 1980s, Mr. Emanuel held senior staff positions at the DCCC, and helped the Democrats win and maintain their House majorities. <...>"

http://www.dccc.org/about/overview

***

You be the judge!
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Catrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:56 AM
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28. Thank you for that post. Great information, and I think it would be great
if Hackett could run for Congress. But he promised the Dems who are running, that he would not challenge them. I don't know who they are, but maybe if they were to withdraw he would not be bound by that promise ~

That's interesting about Brown's position on the war. I thought he voted against it? So, he will vote to fund the war! That makes no sense. He was against it, yet connects it to terror. Is that because it is NOW a breeding ground for terror, or did he always connect a war in Iraq with the war on terror, I wonder?

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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 03:07 AM
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30. thanks for this link-from now on I will use them too in my compilations
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:27 AM
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35. I've been laughing about this for the last few days...
Everyone is so upset about Hackett, that they miss what they are doing...the pro-Hackett/anti-Brown argument is basically, "Brown is too liberal to win in Ohio," and "Hackett appeals to Republican moderates."

Y'all realize that's the DLC line, right?

The other line is that forces from the national Party, specifically the DSCC (but often mistaken for the DLC, which isn't really involved in this), are making choices better suited to the primary voters. This seems to be what you're getting at.

I don't disagree. This whole Hackett/Brown thing was handled very sloppily, and too late.

But ultimately, it was Hackett's choice to bow out. Nobody made that choice for him. He must have been convinced that without national support, he would lose the primary.

Granted, the national party interests, allegedly Reid and Schumer, did some pretty uncool things, and Brown's bizarre "Will I/Won't I run?" dance was unhelpful.

But it's over now. And the more progressive of the two candidates is running. We should support him.

But we shouldn't forget that there are a lot of people at the national level who are opposed to a more vocal, combative Democratic Party. They are not doing their Party any favors.

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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:10 AM
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40. yeah me too....laughing and moaning...laughing and moaning
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:12 AM
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41. The screams of "DLC!" followed by DLC arguments are what do it for me.
People don't even realize how silly they sound. Not referring to the OP, who is not putting forth the DLC line.

But the people who say that Hackett is a moderate who appeals to Republican moderates and the Brown can't win in Ohio might as well be on NDOL.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:28 AM
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36. Oh for gosh sakes, Hackett didn't have the cash folks!
Brown had 2 million, hacket had 200k. That means while the blogsphere is doing a good job bitching about Hackett not being in the race, they did not do a good job at actually contributing to his campaign.

Hackett has said himself that after he had time to cool down a bit, he feels "that's politics, it was a wonderful experience."
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:53 AM
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38. He is not DLC, he is DSCC
Feel free to criticize the DSCC, but this is nothing new. In Minnesota, Wetterling dropped out in part because she lacked their blessing. On other hand, some candidates choose to stay in a race even when they have DSCC disapproval. Mike Miles of Colorado comes to mind. Certainly Hackett felt pressure; it goes with the territory. But decision to drop out was his alone.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:08 AM
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39. Word. n/t
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:56 AM
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46. Frankly, I don't care whether he DLC or Al Queda!
I want him and the other "Democratic Leadership" bozos to get the fuck out manipulating (read DESTROYING) grassroots-built campaigns!!!! If they can't find a way to SUPPORT, then fine...but hands off!

The actions of Schumer and Immanuel are nothing short of pure idiocy. And Reid needs to hire someone to be the Democrats Rove nemesis! ASAP!
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