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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:53 PM
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Cheney says has power to declassify information; could help CIA leak defen

http://www3.cjad.com/content/cp_article.asp?id=/global_feeds/CanadianPress/WorldNews/w021589A.htm

Cheney says has power to declassify information; could help CIA leak defence


WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. Vice-President Dick Cheney disclosed Wednesday he has the power to declassify sensitive government information, authority that could set up a criminal defence for his former chief of staff, Lewis (Scooter) Libby.

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At the time of Libby's contacts with reporters in June and July 2003, the administration including Cheney, who was among the war's most ardent proponents, faced growing criticism. No weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq and President George W. Bush's supporters were anxious to show the White House had relied on prewar intelligence projecting a strong threat from such weapons.

When Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald revealed Libby's assertions to a grand jury that he had been authorized by his superiors to spread sensitive information, the prosecutor did not specify which superiors.

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"I have certainly advocated declassification. I have participated in declassification decisions," Cheney said, while refusing to elaborate.
A legal expert said Cheney's TV appearance could foreshadow a Libby defence.

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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:55 PM
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1. He can declassify, but he cannot permit others
to divulge still classified materials.

and that is what he did
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:56 PM
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3. How interesting. And over the weekend, he shoots a lawyer.
He always seems to find a loophole.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:56 PM
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2. I don't believe this for a moment....
The identity of covert intel agents is protected by federal statute, not just the whim of the executive. I don't believe anyone can legally "declassify" the identity of a covert agent. This is more of the Bush/Cheney administration's belief that laws don't apply to them, IMO.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:00 PM
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5. Here's a link to the Ex order he was referring to.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/bush/eoamend.html

It was posted here earlier by MSgt213.

It's written in legalese, but at least to me it looks like the power to declassify info rests with the party who originally classsified it. At the very least, I think he would have to get the OK from the CIA to declassify a covert agent!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:04 PM
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8. thanks
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dubya_dubya_III Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:11 PM
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11. ROTFLMAO ----------- ----------- March 25, 2003?
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 10:22 PM by dubya_dubya_III
is this like a week after they discovered they were screwed?


The 2003 Invasion of Iraq began on March 20, these leaks were
all ancient history by then....

no cigar
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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 09:59 PM
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4. even IF he does... he still OUTED a CIA officer tracking WMD's
and put EVERY american man, woman & child in mortal DANGER (not to mention the agent and her contacts)

peace
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:01 PM
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6. He'll declassify stuff to help his buddy Libby, not to help Democracy
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:42 PM
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13. With the repugs...It's always Party before Country
This is what the dems need to hammer into the public consciousness.

All of the repugs actions during their time in office has been about themselves, corporations, cronies, eroding Americans rights to their benefit.

This is treasonous.....:banghead:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:02 PM
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7. here is the relative transcript from today:



http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/15/cheney.transcript/

Question: On another subject, court filings have indicated that Scooter Libby has suggested that his superiors -- unidentified -- authorized the release of some classified information. What do you know about that?

Cheney: It's nothing I can talk about, Brit. This is an issue that's been under investigation for a couple of years. I've cooperated fully, including being interviewed, as well, by a special prosecutor. All of it is now going to trial. Scooter is entitled to the presumption of innocence. He's a great guy. I've worked with him for a long time, have enormous regard for him. I may well be called as a witness at some point in the case and it's, therefore, inappropriate for me to comment on any facet of the case.

Question: Let me ask you another question. Is it your view that a vice president has the authority to declassify information?

Cheney: There is an executive order to that effect.

Question: There is.

Cheney: Yes.

Question: Have you done it?

Cheney: Well, I've certainly advocated declassification and participated in declassification decisions. The executive order --

Question: You ever done it unilaterally?

Cheney: I don't want to get into that. There is an executive order that specifies who has classification authority, and obviously focuses first and foremost on the president, but also includes the vice president.

Question: There have been two leaks, one that pertained to possible facilities in Europe; and another that pertained to this NSA matter. There are officials who have had various characterizations of the degree of damage done by those. How would you characterize the damage done by those two reports?
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Tin Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:00 PM
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18. thanks for posting this, rodeo
This particular passage caught my eye (and earlier my ear, listening to the Hume interview on Faux)

Cheney: Well, I've certainly advocated declassification and participated in declassification decisions. The executive order --

Question: You ever done it unilaterally?

Cheney: I don't want to get into that. There is an executive order that specifies who has classification authority, and obviously focuses first and foremost on the president, but also includes the vice president.



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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:25 PM
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21. OMFG!! Hume segues into the whistleblower leaks of gov't
corruption (NSA and secret CIA prisons), claiming they caused damage, thereby making the Cheney claim of official, above-board declassification of Plame's identity seem legit although it actually harmed national security.

At the same time he tars legitimate whistleblowers who exposed illegal activities of Bushco as unpatriotic and dangerous to national security although there is no evidence that either was minimally effective, not to mention unconstitutional and in direct violation of international law.

WTG! :eyes:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:38 PM
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22. So was it George and Dick who gave themselves the power
To declassify anything they feel like? For however long they feel like it, and to whomever they feel like?
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:05 PM
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9. I doubt seriously this will stand...
So now he's allowed to declassify information on the sole basis of discrediting and smearing his opposition? Somehow I think not.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:07 PM
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10. This is kidding, right? Declassify an active CIA investigative unit?
Please tell me we're kidding.

Please don't forget it appears he is into wmd trading. Brewster-Jennings was investigating the trafficking of wmd.

What gall!
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dubya_dubya_III Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:38 PM
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12. If the ultimate Constitutional overseers of the CIA can't do it....
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 10:44 PM by dubya_dubya_III
- And according to our Constitution that is Congress' sole authority alone, as it pertains to Letters of Marque, then how on earth can the Executive do it? Even if this unconstitutional executive order were valid, it was made up after the crimes took place.
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Tin Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:09 PM
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19. you're forgetting what Gonzo said - it's wartime, therefore the executive
...can do anything necessary to preserve the nation. Voila - Cheney can do anything he wants.
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dubya_dubya_III Donating Member (159 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:22 PM
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20. Taliban defeated -war over
Edited on Wed Feb-15-06 11:41 PM by dubya_dubya_III
Sorry I forgeot that the War on Palestinian Freedom Fighters Terror was still on LOL

Liberate Jerusalem for all three faiths - there is only a 3 State 'solution'.
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EarlG ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:43 PM
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14. Interesting...
If we're talking about Plame, then the implication is that he declassified the information before giving it to Libby. But did he? Or did he just give him classified information and tell him to go spread it around? Is there a difference? Seems like there would be to me. If Plame's identity was declassified by Cheney (assuming it's legal for him to do that) wouldn't there be a record of that somewhere?

How is declassification done officially? Is it just as simple as Cheney saying "Okay, this information is now declassified?" I'd think there'd be more to it than that.
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SleeplessinSoCal Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:44 PM
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15. From what I heard of Fitzgerald, this was outing a CIA Agent
He was extremely adament about the crime. The quesion is how to prove who committed it.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:51 PM
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16. I really hope the Cabal goes with this. Because I want to hear
their response to Fitz when he asks: "When you declassified Plame's status, what steps did you take to insure the operational safety of Ms. Plame AND HER WHOLE NETWORK?"



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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:41 PM
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23. Excellent. Kick! n/t
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 10:59 PM
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17. Is he admitting he AIDED and HELPED the "terrarists" then?
Sounds like he's down to playing maybe his las card cuz THAT ain't a very purdy "defense" iffin' you ask me

He declassified undercver CIA op IN A TIME OF WAR to over his own ass?

What a DICK!!
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-15-06 11:48 PM
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24. Shitty defense
Even if this were true and he escapes prosecution (which I doubt) the * administration is effectively nuetered.

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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 12:29 AM
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25. utter and complete rubbish
more criminal spin from the criminals who perpetrated this crime. sickening.
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dusmcj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 10:06 AM
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26. Heil dem Bunkerfuehrer ! He can also pull bunnies out of hats
and make time run backwards. Ain't it great to be the king ? We should all be proud to be his pissboys.
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