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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 06:27 AM
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What I was waiting for---WAPO picks up on new Abu Ghraib photos
Now it will be on the networks. They can't ignore it. Once it hits the Washington Post or New York Times, they have to give it credibility. The loaf networks won't pick up anything from a non recognized paper or source. No matter how credible. They have to have it force fed down their throats.

Should be getting some airtime tonight I would think. Bravo again for The WaPo.


~clip~

y Philip Kennicott
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, February 16, 2006; Page C01

From the beginning of the Abu Ghraib scandal, when the first images of torture and humiliation from the Iraqi prison appeared, we knew there were more. And now, two years later, they've begun to emerge. An Australian television network has put yet more scenes of blood and savagery into circulation, circumventing both the U.S. government's efforts to keep Abu Ghraib images out of the public eye and the gatekeeping of news organizations (including this newspaper), which have not published a substantial number of photographs they are holding.

Just as certainly as they will inflame the Arab and Muslim world, they will raise the question of whether it is responsible for Western news organizations to distribute them. And for bloggers to post them. And for pundits to debate them. Do they add anything new, or only open old wounds? Do they undo the work of investigation, trial and punishment that put men like Charles Graner, one of the original perpetrators, behind bars? Or do they underscore the inadequacy of that process, both the limited scope of who has been punished, and the apparently limited deterrent effect of the scandal? Reports of abuse continue to come in, from prisons in Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay, and U.S. leaders, who denounce torture, have been accused of keeping the door open for abuses that are torture in all but name.

Newspapers that have held these images have been constrained, in large part, by the sheer graphic nature of them, especially the nudity. Other images are difficult to interpret and show things that are hard to identify. In the latter category is a photograph that began popping up on Web sites yesterday, of what seems to be a toilet floor covered with blood and litter, framed by a small glimpse of tiled walls. It suggests a bathroom turned into a holding cell, or perhaps a scene from a hospital or triage center, or a torture chamber. The blood on the floor instantly suggests the splatter and drip paintings of the abstract expressionists.

Newspapers have often turned to blood as a substitute for violence, showing photographs of the gore that lingers on streets long after the bodies -- too graphic to show -- have been cleared away. Here, in a photo that contains no particular information, no names, no certainty even about whether it shows what it seems to show, is the blood image in a new form. This is no substitute, no polite euphemism for what can't be shown. Blood as a substitute for death deflects horror; this blood demands answers.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/15/AR2006021502349.html :applause:
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 06:33 AM
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1. The ICRC has just delared that the abuse
is a violation of International Law.

No wonder BushCo is so afraid of the International War Crimes Court. They knew they were breaking laws left and right when they invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.

Time to pay the piper.

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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 06:41 AM
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3. Did you hear their latest prize winner?
They said they didn't want the photos and videos released out of respect for the victims !

I'm telling you , you need to wear hip boots when this bunch of thugs tells you anything. Because you're waist deep in bullshit.
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 06:48 AM
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5. And, apparently OK for bared breasts since, allegedly a prostitute
I heard this reported on CBS radio news like it is a valid explanation. How about adding: "The source gave no explanation why it might be considered acceptable to have a women bare her breasts because she was thought to be a prostitute". Its like the listeners were expected to think, oh, prostitute, then it's OK. The stations get statements from rove and company and they just vomit it out, like a state run propaganda machine.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 06:51 AM
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7. Well then maybe they shouldn't have
abused these poor people to begin with?

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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 07:31 AM
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14. Too bad they didn't respect the victims WHILE they were torturing them. nt
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 06:36 AM
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2. Page C01?
This isn't exactly primo positioning. I went to WP to try to find this article off of their main page website and missed it completely. But, you're right, it's a first drop out of the dyke.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 06:44 AM
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4. just referred to on CNN
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 06:50 AM
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6. Good.
I knew that would start it. Bush has got the full prevent machine trying to stop this.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 07:06 AM
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8. These pictures are not the pictures the ACLU has been asking for.
I'm convinced that these are not the pictures that the DOD has been stonewalling on for over a year. Anyone know for sure?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 07:15 AM
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9. here`s the vid from dateline
http://news.sbs.com.au/dateline/index.php?page=archive&daysum=2006-02-15
Dateline - Archives - February 15 2006

these are not the dod pictures. those pictures would explode the muslim world and that is why they will never be released.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 07:22 AM
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10. I didn't know that.
Can you imagine how many of these things there must be then, because these pictures once they hit television and papers are going to start this revulsion all over again. I think there are videos too.

Bush must be kicking the walls.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 07:23 AM
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11. Well, it could be some of them. I believe they were located on,...
,...the internet somewhere in the process of some other investigation relating to the soldiers.

What is even more disturbing is the torture we don't know about, that isn't/hasn't been documented.

How can people act so surprised at the spike in anti-Americanism? :shrug:
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 07:25 AM
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12. Along with our US government, our corporate media is responsible
for this torture.

If the corporate media had investigated or questioned the war and WMD before the attack on Iraq, maybe our soldier would not have turned into savages. If they had investigated the moment hints of these dehumanizing acts had started to filter to the public, maybe it would not have been as widespread and persistent. If they had stood up and condemned this sadistic behavior, instead of giving those without remorse or conscious an easy excuse with that fantasy land scenario of "Well if a terrorist had planted a bomb and thousands of Americans would die if it went off, and the terrorist refused to say where it was, wouldn't you use torture to get the information?" The corporate media repeated this easy excuse as if it were real, as if all those circumstances happened every day, as if information from torture were reliable and useful.

The media, as much as the government, is to blame for the torture of these people and so are we as US citizens. We allowed our government to spread propaganda in the guise of news. We allowed the corporations to control what was said and we allowed them to hoodwink us into an easy apathy.

I know a lot of you are thinking, like me, I didn't vote for these soulless murderers, I protested, called and wrote letters to congress. Yet in the back of my mind, late at night, I think of that 14 year-old-boy who will forever remember the US as rapist and wonder. Was there something more I could have done to have prevented these horrifying acts? Could I have written one more letter, made one more phone call? I will forever be haunted and shamed by what the United States of America has done in my name and I vow to stop it. I am ready to join the fight again. Where is the next protest, who should I call? I will condemn these acts and the people who allowed it again and again, until this country understands.
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w8liftinglady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 07:35 AM
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15. I had those thoughts last night,too
-snip-
know a lot of you are thinking, like me, I didn't vote for these soulless murderers, I protested, called and wrote letters to congress. Yet in the back of my mind, late at night, I think of that 14 year-old-boy who will forever remember the US as rapist and wonder. Was there something more I could have done to have prevented these horrifying acts? Could I have written one more letter, made one more phone call? I will forever be haunted and shamed by what the United States of America has done in my name and I vow to stop it. I am ready to join the fight again. Where is the next protest, who should I call? I will condemn these acts and the people who allowed it again and again, until this country understands.
-snip-

As I looked at those photos(and I know some people disagreed),and saw a child younger than my middle son,I was haunted by the fear I know he must have felt at our hands.I don't know if this child is alive or dead,but you can be sure-the people of Iraq know we have their children captive.
If anyone did this to my son,I would not rest until they were dead.Where is our outrage,as a nation?
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Punkingal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 07:44 AM
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18. I feel exactly like you do....
I have such a feeling of shame. And such quiet rage, unlike anything I have ever felt before. And I'm ready to fight. Wherever, whenever, in any way possible.
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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 07:28 AM
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13. You'll forgive me for not getting my hopes up...
There is a large enough chunk of the american population that just doesn't care and thinks this is o.k. And that sickens me.
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 07:38 AM
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16. I think the tide is turning
There are only about 35% who would still support this murderer.

The last photos didn't show brutality. These show it without question. If people see the one with the guy who has cattle prod marks all over his backside, they will be talking about this all over again. It may spark more riots and violence with the Muslims for sure, and that will also be giving more news time to this story.

The networks didn't want to touch this yesterday because it's a powder keg. And until the WaPo was willing to credit the Australian station, they acted like it was something from the Onion.

But it's like putting air in a tire. You can only put in so much and then BOOM !!

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vi5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:14 AM
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20. We've been saying/thinking the tide was turning every few months
..and it never does. Yes, it's only 35% that support this admin, but that 35% would do or say ANYTHING to defend him. At all costs. Just go to any non political message board and troll around and see how many threads that even remotely touch upon anything current event and see how many bush supporters are there vehemently spinning and spouting and defending dear leader. We have nothing like that on our side. Granted, what we have is common courtesty and rational thought, but still. The fact is that the 35% you speak of will never drop off and will never, ever stop supporting everything done and said by this administration. And they know it which is why they get away with that stuff. They use that 35% all the time to get their message/word/lies out there, and when election time rolls around they do some bells, whistles, smoke, mirrors, whatever to get just enough of a number higher to stay in office.

Nothing that comes out or happens is going to change that or turn any tide.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 07:42 AM
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17. here`s a new ? set of pictures
http://smh.com.au/photogallery/2006/02/15/1139890768970.html?page=3
More snaps from Abu Ghraib - General - News - smh.com.au

another set of download sites

http://www.boingboing.net/2006/02/15/torrents_of_new_abu_.html
Boing Boing: Torrents of new Abu Ghraib torture photos from Aus. TV report

and worldlink tv series on iraq-this one interviews the man who was posed as the cross

http://www.linktv.org/programming/programDescription.php4?code=date_lifting
Link TV - Programming - Program Details

looks like they did get some of the dod pictures but wasn`t there more?
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 07:58 AM
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19. Will the totally moronic apologists like Hannity, Limbaugh
finally realize the monstrous criminality that was set loose here THAT CAME DOWN FROM THE TOP?! These are not frat boy pranks. These pictures make us the shame of the world. Our leaders DISCUSSED, OPTED, ENACTED, HID(E)these vile practices.

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