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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:29 AM
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ICRC - USA is guilty of WAR CRIMES
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 08:40 AM by DoYouEverWonder
for Abu Ghraib.


In just 5 years, BushCo has taken us from one of the most respected democracies in the world, to a rogue nation run by war criminals.

I am so ashamed. I hope the rest of the world knows and understands, that there are many of us who have opposed this regime from day one and we do not support these crimes in any way, shape, or form.

When we will stop this madness? What will it take?


http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-02-16T093016Z_01_L16187512_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-ABUSE-CROSS.xml&archived=False






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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:43 AM
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1. ICRC = The International Committee of the Red Cross
Abu Ghraib abuse violates international law: ICRC
Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:30 AM ET12

GENEVA (Reuters) - The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) on Thursday said the latest images of abuse of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison showed clear violations of international humanitarian law.

An Australian television station broadcast on Wednesday what it said were previously unpublished images of abuse of Iraqi prisoners at the jail, fuelling Arab anger against the United States.

"We are shocked and dismayed at the mistreatment and abuse displayed in these images," ICRC spokeswoman Dorothea Krimitsas told Reuters in Geneva.

"The type of treatment in these images -- video or photos -- very clearly violates the rules of international humanitarian law which are designed to protect people detained in the context of armed conflict," she added.

The Special Broadcasting Service's "Dateline" current affairs program said the images were recorded at the same time as the now-infamous pictures of U.S. soldiers abusing Abu Ghraib detainees which sparked international outrage in 2004.





http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyID=2006-02-16T093016Z_01_L16187512_RTRUKOC_0_US-IRAQ-ABUSE-CROSS.xml&archived=False
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:45 AM
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2. The men and women in our military would be best protected
if we started listening to these humanitarian groups and started abiding by the Geneva Convention. It is in our our own best interests.

Remember Dilawar.
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rfkrfk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 08:59 AM
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3. how is the US in breech of the GC?
to my knowledge, the only proction the detainees
have is that US is a signatory to the
UN universal declaration of human rights
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:04 AM
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6. See article 3 and 4 in link
http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm

"Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War
Adopted on 12 August 1949 by the Diplomatic Conference for the Establishment of
International Conventions for the Protection of Victims of War, held in Geneva
from 21 April to 12 August, 1949
entry into force 21 October 1950"
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rfkrfk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:16 AM
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10. GC, civilian combatents not 'protected persons' .n/t
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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:26 AM
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12. I was afraid you would say that ... can't fight that battle but
the administration was pushing hard that the Convention is outdated etc. But whether or not this issue per se was the concern - I don't know.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:05 AM
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8. We are the occupying power in Iraq
it is up to maintain law and order and to provide for the safety of the citizens. We have done neither and it has been on purpose.

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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:02 AM
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4. It would be nice if we, the people actually expressed a little outrage
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 09:04 AM by acmejack
For a change. We sit here saying "Oh, I'm shocked, I'm just so upset!". Look at what people in other parts of the world do when they are pissed off! They take it to they street and risk their lives. They are willing to put it on the LINE.

We just talk big. We are as guilty as the Freepers and the rest of them. OUT.

edit cause I can't spell when I'm pissed!
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:03 AM
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5. I don't know where you were on Sept 24th
but I was in DC.

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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:05 AM
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7. Pal, I've been at every single event from day one
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 09:07 AM by acmejack
On edit: Wrong tone, sorry. I think back to times past when tear gas flew, water cannons gushed, but people marched. Now no one will do anything. Granted, some do, but far too few. I am frustratede with a capital F.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:10 AM
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9. Then you know that going to the streets
is not effective anymore because the M$M will ignore us unless there is violence. The M$M virtually ignored the 100,000+ people in DC that day because Hurricane Rita was more important. They imposed a total news blackout for the big AntiWar Rally in NYC before the Invasion of Iraq...

We need to (and we are) find other ways to protest via the Internet, blitzing Congress with emails and phone calls, and so on and as a result the PNAC's plan is falling apart. Give yourself a pat on the back, we are the ones making the change and I think in the end we will have a lot to be proud of. Even if we fail, at least we tried.



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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:20 AM
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11. I am getting so upset!
I guess I am getting ready to let it get out of hand. I am obviously older, but no wiser. Thanks for being a voice of moderation. I see things like this and I go nuts. This is not what I stood for when I fought for this Country and I think it is a grievous insult to generations of Americans.

Stuff happens, war is dirty, nasty business, but this degree of formalization is pure unadulterated BS. We need to show the World in no uncertain terms we as a people unequivocally reject this.

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Burried News Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:28 AM
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13. With you jack. Many of us are working to stop this. Not hard enough
perhaps but you are not alone. We want our white hat and our Whitehouse back!
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 09:54 AM
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14. Some days are worse then others
Hang in there. The good guys always win. Don't they?

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