5 senators voting yes and 0 no--Think it is to close debate on PA. but

[rodeodance]

not sure. anyone know, as i tuned in a bit late.

[rodeodance]

1. they said the roll call was waived and went immediately to this vote.

[rodeodance]

2. Russ Feingold says NO, but Clinton and Wyden say YES

[rodeodance]

5. Frist say AYE and Durbin AYE. I still do not know for sure what this vote

is for.

[Mass]

13. Motion to bring the PA to the floor. (Motion to proceed)

Then there will be a motion for debate cloture when the Senate reconvenes in late February and then the vote.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

3. all voting yes.

another thread here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x440020

[stop the bleeding]

4. Please keep the cube rats update with cheese - thanks rodeo

:yourock:

[rodeodance]

6. Jeffers NO, and two others say yes.

[rodeodance]

7. lots of aYEs including Collins.

[rodeodance]

8. Kennedy and Coleman AYE

[rodeodance]

9. Alard and Smith AYE

[rodeodance]

10. they have it listed as a 'procedual vote" but it limits debate.

[rodeodance]

11. Leahy and Hutchson and McConnell, Dodd say AYE

[flpoljunkie]

15. Wonder why they do not call it a "cloture" vote, if that is what it is.

Anybody?

[Mass]

20. It is NOT a cloture vote - It is a vote to bring the debate to the floor

The vote for cloture will come later (late February).

[flpoljunkie]

25. Thanks, Mass. Just read as much in the article linked below.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/16/AR2006021600329_pf.html

Frist said the Senate planned procedural votes on the matter beginning Thursday and stretching beyond congressional recess next week. Final votes were expected to resume at the end of the month.

[WilliamPitt]

12. .

[rumpel]

14. Kennedy, Akaka first No then Aye

[rumpel]

16. Dems gave up on this fight, it seems...5 years to sunset?

[Mass]

17. This is not the motion for cloture of debate - This is the motion to

bring the bill to the floor. I guess there is an argument that this should be debated. I just wonder how they will vote when comes the vote for cloture.

[Wordie]

28. Isn't that the same thing? When a bill is brought to the floor for a vote,

isn't that the same as cloture? Once there is cloture, there is no more debate, right? Aren't they the same?

[rodeodance]

18. Boxter and DeWine, Fienstien all aye and lots others aye.

[Wordie]

22. (lost here) so is this a good thing, because there will be more debate?

...or is it a bad thing? I just tuned in and am not clear on what's happening.

[Mass]

24. Depends how the motion for cloture will turn.

We will know that later this month.

[Mojorabbit]

19. Reid and Boxer Aye.... n/t

[MadHound]

21. Well, it sounds like our right to protest,

And other civil rights are being flushed down the toilet, permanently. No filibuster, and even if the Democrats all vote as a block(fat chance there), it will still pass. Are you ready for the uniformed SS division? Warrantless arrests?

And people wonder why those of us on the left go on about the two party/same corporate master system of government. This is why, Clinton, Yes, Kennedy, Yes, etc. etc. ad nauseum.

[Mass]

23. No filibuster? How do you know that? This is NOT the motion to cloture

the debate. This is the motion to start the debate.

[Wordie]

26. Could you explain what this vote will mean? Is it a good thing?

I'm completely lost. How will this effect the final outcome of the Patriot Act?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

27. This means....

It goes to debate.

Time to ramp up the phone calls and e-mails

DU'ers! Start Your Engines!

[Wordie]

29. I guess what I'm finding confusing is I thought they already were debating

and that's what I watched yesterday (Feingold). Or was that merely the prelude to the debate, a speech saying that the debate ought to happen?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

31. He was objecting to the conference report...

because the changes are cosmetic and still big problems with the whole thing.

[Wordie]

32. Yes, I know that...but if they were already debating, then why this vote?

Please forgive my lack of knowledge about procedural matters, but this seems confusing.

Was Feingold's objection not an actual part of the debate? Is that it? And, in this debate, should it occur, will there be the opportunity to make additional changes to the bill as presented in the conference report, or is it a strictly up or down vote for the conference report?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

33. debate on the Report is different from debate on the Act.

I think they do it to confuse us, personally. ;)

[Wordie]

34. LOL...they're having tremendous success!

(on the confusion part...who knows what's happening with the vote!)

So, here's how I am coming to understand this now:

The conference committee wrote a report that wasn't strong enough in terms of its protections. The vote now is to open a debate on the conference committee's report.

Later (but perhaps very soon, as Feingold said it might happen by Friday), the actual vote on the Patriot Act itself will occur.

Is that it?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

35. I think so. Fristy is up now. maybe he will explain it to us?

:eyes:

[MadHound]

30. Sorry, my bad, should have read the entire thread

I was going by the OP's original headline that this was the vote to close debate.

Ne-ver-mind:blush:

[Wordie]

36. Frist now trying to say that debate=obstruction!

[stop the bleeding]

37. thanks rodeodance n/t