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dancingme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:16 PM
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Laura Bush shows no empathy for quail killed by Cheney
CORAL GABLES, Fla. -- First lady Laura Bush is in town urging parents to enroll their children in the National Park Service's Junior Rangers program

"You're lucky here where you live because you have these great outdoor laboratories," Bush said of Florida's many national and state parks. "You can go to these national parks and see animals most people around the United States would never, ever get a chance to see in their whole lives, like an alligator."

She went on to tell the students to continue learning as much as they can about the environment, because it would affect them and generations to come.

http://www.local10.com/news/7112501/detail.html

What about the birds raised in captivity to be killed by wealthy drunkards, Laura?
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:19 PM
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1. disgusting. is that true that the birds are raised in captivity? i
have families of quail that walk across my property. it's so cute -- how the little ones follow the mother. and if one crosses the road i stop and let them pass.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:21 PM
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yes it is true.
when you pay more than $5000 for a shotgun (Cheney's shotgun cost that much or far more)...you have the kind of money that guarantees you bring home something from those canned farms...
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:28 PM
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10. reprehensible. i don't feel sorry for anyone who gets shot in a
hunting accident. it's karma.:cry:
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:54 PM
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33. Others may think we are cold-hearted, but I agree.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:19 PM
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2. Well honestly....Who would have guessed....
She showed so much compassion for the US gulf coast residents, the dehydrated babies and the drowning victims!!


Compassionate Conservative Alert.....:sarcasm:
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:20 PM
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3. Tell me more about this connection you're making.
I fail to understand how you can associate Laura Bush's visit promoting the National Park's children's programs with Cheney's hunting accident.

Are you flamebaiting? What are you trying to discuss?
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dancingme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:28 PM
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11. She said Hillary should show "empathy" for Bush
so... I'm criticizing her for claiming that she cares about the environment while her husband's VP hunts quail and other foul that are raised in captivity.

http://www.hsus.org/legislation_laws/wayne_pacelle_the_animal_advocate/cheneys_canned_kill_and_other_hunting_excesses_of_the_bush_administration.html
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:40 PM
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18. Huh. Well....
1. It's "fowl," not "foul."
The weather was not foul when Cheney shot his companion during a fowl hunt.

2. Your post demonstrates a flexible imagination. In other words, I think your post is a stretch.
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dancingme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:45 PM
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26. Thank you so much for the spell check
;)
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:20 PM
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4. Yeah what about 'em Laurie you bubble liver.
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politicaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:21 PM
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5. "Enjoy the environment kids 'cause it ain't gonna be around for long..."
"not with my hubby at the helm. Well, that's all. Stay off of drugs kids...unless they're FDA approved and produced by one of the many companies that supported your president and eventual overlord George Porgie Bush."
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:22 PM
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6. she along with Lynn Cheney are mobster's "molls" IMO n/t
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:23 PM
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7. maybe she can share some favorite quail recipes
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:24 PM
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8. Oh come on
Have a hamburger at McDonalds and you're eating a cow that was raised and killed in captivity. Should we show empathy for them too?

The thing that offends me is not that the animals are killed, but that some take pleasure in killing and somehow consider killing tame birds "sport".
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:33 PM
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14. there are people who hunt for survival. i met someone a long
time ago who came from a poor family. he said when they killed a deer -- every part of it was used for food.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:35 PM
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15. and there's a major difference
even between the hunters who enjoy hunting for subsistence and those who just enjoy killing. There is a line that is crossed which has more to do with issues of power and control. That is the group for which DC should be the poster boy.
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:52 PM
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32. does it make them feel more "manly" to shoot and kill an animal.
my friend has a friend who is from tennessee. he grew up hunting, but one time he shot a moose (or something like that). it didn't die. all that night he heard it moaning until it did. he's has never hunted since and will not even swim in the ocean for fear that a shark might get him -- karma.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 04:18 PM
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34. Used to get hauled out on deer hunting trips
when I was a kid. Once a beautiful buck came up over the crest of a hill, and I couldn't shoot it. I pretended like I hadn't seen it, and someone else in my hunting party killed it. It made a sound as it was dying that I'll never forget.

No, I don't enjoy hunting and never will.
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:31 PM
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12. i wonder how your dead carcus would taste.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:39 PM
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17. Better dig him up quick, if you really want to know. ;)
'Cause he's been given a gift:

:rofl:
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:04 PM
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28. i saw that when i checked his profile, but his post was still there
so i figured maybe i could get it in before they buried him. :dilemma:
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BringEmOn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:31 PM
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13. Tastes like chickenhawk?
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Drewskie Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:38 PM
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16. Ever eat at KFC?
If so, you are a hypocrite. Chickens kept in captivity and killed just for you to eat...
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dancingme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:42 PM
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19. no
Vice President Dick Cheney went pheasant shooting in Pennsylvania in December 2003, but unlike most of his fellow hunters across America, he didn't have to spend hours or even days tramping the fields and hedgerows in hopes of bagging a brace of birds for the dinner table.

Upon his arrival at the exclusive Rolling Rock Club in Ligonier Township, gamekeepers released 500 pen-raised pheasants from nets for the benefit of him and his party. In a blaze of gunfire, the group—which included legendary Dallas Cowboys quarterback Roger Staubach and U.S. Senator John Cornyn (R-TX), along with major fundraisers for Republican candidates—killed at least 417 of the birds. According to one gamekeeper who spoke to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Cheney was credited with shooting more than 70 of the pen-reared fowl.

After lunch, the group shot flocks of mallard ducks, also reared in pens and shot like so many live skeet. There's been no report on the number of mallards the hunting party killed, but it's likely that hundreds fell.

Rolling Rock is an exclusive private club for the wealthy with a world-class golf course and a closed membership list. It is also a "canned hunting" operation—a place where fee-paying hunters blast away at released animals, whether birds or mammals, who often have no reasonable chance to escape. Most are "no kill, no pay" operations where patrons only shells out funds for the animals they kill.

Bird-shooting operations offer pheasants, quail, partridges, and mallard ducks, often dizzying the birds and planting them in front of hunters or tossing them from towers toward waiting shotguns. There are, perhaps, more than 3,000 such operations in the United States, according to outdoor writer Ted Williams.

For canned hunts involving mammals, hunters can shoot animals native to given continents—everything from Addax to Zebra—within the confines of a fenced area, assuring the animals have no opportunity to escape. Time magazine estimates that 2,000 facilities offer native or exotic mammals for shooting within fenced enclosures.

The HSUS worked hard to expose Cheney's shooting spree, and we were fortunate in persuading The New York Times, The Washington Post, the Dallas Morning News, and other media outlets to cover the events of that day and our subsequent criticism.

Our criticism is simple to understand: Farm-raised pheasants are about as wary as urban pigeons and shooting them is nothing more than live target practice, especially when they are released from a hill in front of 10 gunners hidden below in blinds—as Cheney and his party were. Such hunting makes a mockery of basic principles of fair play and humane treatment, and the vice president should not associate himself with such conduct.

The private excesses of Cheney are bad enough, and worthy of The HSUS's rebuke. But it's the public policy excesses that are of even greater concern to me. Cheney's hunting trip strikes me as emblematic of the Bush Administration's callousness towards the earth's animals.

The administration's most outrageous proposal is its plan to allow trophy hunters to shoot endangered species in other countries and import the trophies and hides into the United States. The administration first floated the proposal a few months ago, with formal proposals subsequently published in the Federal Register, and President Bush is expected to make a final decision soon on the plan, which originated with his U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

For 30 years, the Endangered Species Act has provided critical protections for species near extinction in the United States. The act also protects species in foreign nations, by barring pet traders, circuses, trophy hunters, and others from importing live or dead endangered species. While we can't prevent the shooting or capture of endangered species overseas, we can prevent imports—thus eliminating the incentive for American hunters and others to shoot or trap the animals in the first place.

But with this plan the administration is seeking to punch gaping holes in the prohibitions, under the assumption that generating revenue through the sale of hunting licenses will aid on-the-ground conservation in foreign lands.

The plan is transparent on its face. It's not aimed to help species, but to aid special interests who want to profit from the exploitation of wildlife. No group is more centrally involved in this miserable plan than Safari Club International, the world's leading trophy hunting organization and an entity with close ties to the Bush Administration.

The 40,000 member organization of rich trophy collectors has doled out close to $600,000 in campaign contributions among GOP candidates in the past six years. President Bush appointed a former top lobbyist of the Safari Club to be the deputy director of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service—again, the very agency promoting the plan to allow the selling off of endangered species to private interests.

The HSUS is not a pro-hunting organization. That said, we view certain types of hunting as worse than others. It crosses any reasonable line to support the shooting of some of the rarest and most endangered animals in the world. And it is beyond the pale to advocate for or participate in the shooting of animals in canned hunts—for birds or mammals.

President Bush met with leaders of 19 hunting organizations on December 12. While we expect him to endorse certain forms of hunting, he should in no way countenance the shooting of endangered species or the hunting of captive or pen-reared animals. If that's where these hunting groups want to lead him, he needs to resist their entreaties. He needs to stand up to these special interest groups and draw a bright line between certain types of hunting conduct.

Americans don't support this nonsense, and the president shouldn't either.


http://www.hsus.org/legislation_laws/wayne_pacelle_the_animal_advocate/cheneys_canned_kill_and_other_hunting_excesses_of_the_bush_administration.html
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:42 PM
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20. I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one.
KFC doesn't release the birds in the restaurants for the customers to shoot before eating. Nobody is pretending they're anything but raised for food. Nobody's dressed up as 'The Great Hunter', pretending to tame the wild by bagging his own food when they go to KFC. That's what Darth was doing, though. The big man. :eyes:
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Dora Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:42 PM
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21. Bravo.
We should all buy/eat free-range poultry/eggs if we can.
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:06 PM
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30. i do. also free range beef which i don't eat much of.
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:26 PM
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31. Better yet, no poultry/eggs at all.
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:44 PM
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25. Yeah, enough already
The problem isn't hunting, the problem is the way wannabe he-men lke Cheney do it.

People often eat meat. It's in our nature-it's part of our diet. If you don't want to, good for you. But don't evangelize, please.
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:42 PM
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22. Hey look- after you kill a boyfriend,
Edited on Thu Feb-16-06 01:45 PM by Lexingtonian
killing a quail is small stuff.

(I'm not sure whether I'm being ironic, sarcastic, or beyond sarcastic, either.)
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:42 PM
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23. She went on to say
"Many of these animals want their habitat remove to bring in more oil drilling. Look around you children these animals are poor. They need good paying oil industry jobs."
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:44 PM
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24. About the quails raised in captivity. As horrible as it is that
wealthy drunkards won't go out hunt wild quail instead of tame ones and it does tells me that they are in it for the blood not the sport, remember that we raise chickens in captivity for eggs and meat.
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:49 PM
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27. Oh jeez, killer should know that the environment has been under....
constant attack since her idiot stole the (s)election. One of their top priorities is to milk the Earth for all its worth.

Destroy/to do list:

- oceans
- wetlands
- animals
- forests
- rivers & streams
- all other waterways
- all states with natural resources
- increase offshore drilling
- increase onshore drilling
- increase mining in national parks, national forests, national monuments, and other public land
- many more....

--She went on to tell the students to continue learning as much as they can about the environment, because it would affect them and generations to come.--
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:05 PM
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29. She has got some nerve.
She went on to tell the students to continue learning as much as they can about the environment, because it would affect them and generations to come.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...
:grr:

Peace.
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