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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:31 PM
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Why did it take 20-30 minutes for an ambulance to get to Harry??
With Cheney's heart condition an ambulance that was following him around should have been there in 3-5 minutes tops.

From two accounts-I think both of these refer to Cheney's ambulance

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/16/america/web.0216timeline.php
"An ambulance — one always accompanies Cheney — arrived in about 30 minutes."



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x441616

Then he shoots the guy around 5:30-ish...

Armstrong said someone in the security detail called the ambulance, which arrived 20 or 30 minutes later.

After the ambulance left "in a cloud of dust," she drove Cheney to the ranch house, staying in touch with family members who followed Whittington to the hospital and getting updates that he would be OK.

http://www.ksat.com/news/7043932/detail.html?rss=ant&psp=news
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Stand and Fight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:34 PM
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1. Harry??? Is he a friend of your's?
:wtf:

Valid question though -- why did it take that long for an ambulance to reach Whittington?
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:36 PM
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3. And why did it take 3 more hours to get him to a hospital?
He got shot around 5:30ish, but didn't get to the hospital until 8:30 PM.

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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:45 PM
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7. are you serious?
why would it take that long?? Is there a valid reason? or does this seem mighty suspicious
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:50 PM
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10. The original reports on Sunday night
all said he was checked into the hospital at around 8:30 PM. Since then the M$M has tried to muddy the water has to what happened at what time. Nice to see the free press doing their job.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:38 PM
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4. your's?
:shrug:
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fed-up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:52 PM
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11. Sorry, had a brain fog and didn't want to spell Whittington wrong :)
There has been NO clarification on WHICH ambulance actually reached Whittington.

If it was Cheney's, then 20-30 minutes for the arrival time means that DD would be dead if he'd had another heart attack.

If it was the city ambulance why the f*ck didn't they use Cheney's?

Way too many unanswered questions here.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:12 PM
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14. Lol! I've taken to calling him Harry, too. Or Harry W.
I'm just too lazy to type out Whittington every single time. :spank:
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:36 PM
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2. I have been wondering why it took so long to get the guy
to the hospital. Seems like it took at least 3-4 hours before they got him to the emergency room.

I watched several news shows last night and the question was not raised about the time delay.

I wonder if they were trying to figure out if they could treat the victim at the ranch instead of taking him to a hospital. In other words, were they trying to keep it a secret by not taking him off the property.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:43 PM
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5. Probably went something like this...
Armstrong: Get the ambulance!

Cheney: What? That's MY ambulance. Get him his own fucking ambulance!

Whittington: (gurgle)

Armstrong: But this one is right here!

Secret Service Agent: I don't think we can authorize the use of the Vice President's ambulance. Maybe if another was immediately dispatched to be on hand after this one takes Mr. Whittington to the hospital.

Cheney: Fuck that! This is my ambulance, and it stays with me.
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hwmnbn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:14 PM
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15. bwahahaha....
:rofl: (gurgle) :rofl:

Yours is the most likely scenario. I can see Cheney have this hissy fit.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:44 PM
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6. The 30 minutes is easier to explain than the 3 hours.
A 50,000 acre ranch is HUGE, we're talking almost 80 square miles here (78.1 if my math is right). Ranch roads are generally unpaved, so a 30 minute response time to an unknown location down dirt roads on an 80 square mile property isn't really all that unreasonable.

The question is WHY did it take 3 hours to reach the hospital. If the ambulance got to him in 30 minutes, it should have got back out in 30 minutes. There's no way they can argue that it took 2.5 hours to reach the hospital (at 65 MPH the ambulance could have travelled 162.5 miles in that time).

Why the delay?
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MsUnderstood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:50 PM
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9. Want more questions?
why wasn't a helicopter dispatched to help him?

When a gunshot happens in my area they simultaneously dispatch helicopter and ambulance.

Of course if this is such a rural area that they had not ambulance coverage, they probably didn't have a medical helicopter. . .it all boils down to the state of our medical inadequacies in America.

Also I think I heard somewhere that he wasn't taken to the nearest facility, he was taken to a government run hospital. . .so could have been further.

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BringEmOn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:48 PM
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8. If he kicks the bucket, we bury him right here
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:10 PM
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13. There ya go
The stubborn victim refused to bleed out in a reasonable time frame and somebody finally got the perp, errr, V.P. to settle down enough to pretend to do the right thing.

Wouldn't be the first time a body was buried without ceremony on a big ol ranch... Ask the kin of anybody who crossed old Binion ;)
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rexcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 01:54 PM
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12. I am sure that they could not spare Chaney's ambulance for..
a real emergency so they had to dispatch one from the closest town.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:19 PM
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16. And when did Cheney fix himself a cocktail?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/15/cheney/index.html

Armstrong, a longtime friend of the Cheney family, told CNN before the vice president's interview that she never saw Cheney or Whittington "drink at all on the day of the shooting until after the accident occurred, when the vice president fixed himself a cocktail back at the house."

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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:42 PM
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17. Cheney drank a cocktail after the shooting? BEFORE anyone would
have had a chance to check his blood alcohol levels? How did he not know this could be a concern? One could make the case for obstruction of justice. Cheney had to know this was an issue.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 02:51 PM
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18. Indeed
Pretty basic that blood alcohol level could be at issue given admitted beer at lunch. Cocktail after shooting certainly helps to explain away any testing that may subsequently occur but seems pretty damming in itself. But remember he was feeling badly and went to bed at ten.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-16-06 04:16 PM
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19. Yeah he was feeling badly. Never mind poor old Harry. Cheney should
have followed Harry to the hospital and asked the sheriff to meet him there to observe him having his blood taken for a blood alcohol test. That is what someone who had nothing to hide would have done.
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