Paul Begala just brought up a great point re: Cheney drinking.

[Jara sang]

One or two beers my not be a lot but add that to heart medication. KABOOM!!!

[berner59]

1. Didn't Armstrong say...

That he had a cocktail AFTER the shooting??? Who stops to have a cocktail after they shoot their friend?? Has that been confirmed that that's true??

[Catherine Vincent]

6. Cheney knows he shouldn't have beer or cocktails since he suffers with

the rich man's disease...GOUT.

[kenny blankenship]

9. An alcoholic certainly would

they'd be wanting one to steady their nerves before talking to the cops.

[unblock]

14. he's acknowledged drinking both BEFORE AND AFTER the shooting

and the shooting itself is far likely to happen if he was impaired.

you be the judge.

[havocmom]

16. Is that the SAME Mrs Armstrong who said they don't even allow alcohol

on the ranch... it says so right on the sign... so nobody had been drinking?

Same one who was an 'eyewitness' but thought Cheney was stricken instead of Whittington shot?

Same one who kept her mouth shut until Truth Crusader Mary Matalin got done coaching her?

THAT Mrs. Armstrong?

OK, sure I'll buy what ever her latest story is... when pigs fly.

[LiberalinNC]

17. Come on, he needed something to calm him down...

:sarcasm:
The guys does have ice water running through his veins.

[DoYouEverWonder]

19. There's a new excuse

No sir I wasn't drunk. I only had a drink at lunch and one after I shot the poor fellow.

[kayice]

32. yep, I had the drink after I shot him to cover up the ones I had

before I shot him. Hiccup!

[DoYouEverWonder]

35. Good thing he had all those old DUI's scrubbed

from his record. No wonder gun owners are afraid to be required to have a license.

[merbex]

2. Begala's debating partner today, Ron Kaufman, is Andrew Card's

brother-inlaw and He was arrested for DUI after leaving Gov Weld's of MA house

And they sent him out to defend Cheney'ds DRINKING while HUNTING?????

[Klukie]

12. I think there is much to be said when someone with close ties

to the white house is out to defend the alcohol accusations. I say a nerve has been struck. Kaufman may only be a brother-in-law to Card, but you can't get much closer to bush than Card.

[ArbustoBuster]

24. Find me a Republican who isn't a drunkard.

I'll be waiting over here beside Diogenes, who's looking for an honest man...

[hwmnbn]

3. KABOOM!!! .....

:rofl: from your keyboard to God's monitor :rofl:

[Ksec]

4. And hes an alcoholic with DUI's in his past.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

5. Holy shit, the Republican dude..

..was stumbling, bumbling, mumbling.

I think his "why are you making such a big deal out of this?" whining said A LOT. Cheney was drunk, unquestionably.

I need to see the transcript of this, lol.

[blm]

11. Isn't Kaufman reported to have a drinking problem, too?

What a great group of citizens these Rethugs are, eh?

[Sydnie]

21. I agree,. When they offer to talk about Iraq instead of Cheney, there

is more to this smoking gun than they want anyone to know.

Perhaps, and I haven't seen this mentioned yet, they were doing a "no bid contract deal" this weekend? Discussing the next thing that Haliburton wants to rip the government off doing?

[kenny blankenship]

7. delete

[cynatnite]

8. recklessness

That's the word we should be using to frame this entire issue.

Cheney accidentally shoots a guy. I don't care if the old buzzard drank or not. He was reckless. Is that who should be a VP? There are a lot of unanswered questions that'll probably remain that way.

If it had been Gore, the repukes would be screaming it from the highest rooftops until he was fired or forced to resign.

Cheney was reckless.

[livetohike]

18. Absolutely right!

He is reckless and not to be trusted. This good old boy network B.S. has to stop somewhere.

[Cleita]

25. It seems our country is being run by a group of dumb drunks,

who are even dumber under the influence and downright dangerous. We know Rumsfeld and Bush are drunk much of the time. I think Rumsfeld is drunk all the time. He talks like one. Many drunks can talk without slurring, especially the ones who keep a buzz on all day, but nontheless his smug and antagonistic news conferences indicate he isn't up there excercising much caution in what he says. Drink makes you bolder and more confrontational.

I know that much of Bush's dyslexic conversation is because he can't remember in mid sentence what he was saying. He can't pronounce many of the words he has to use like Abu Ghraib under the influence. There have been times that he has actually spoken like a normal sober person, especially after a long airplane flight where he hasn't had a chance to start tippling before he has had to say something.

[unblock]

10. my take on judge judy's hypothetical verdict:

damn i'd like to haul that bunch in front of a REAL straight shooter!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=443996&mesg_id=443996

[smartvoter]

13. I heard on the radio yesterday that it's like 3:1 to 4:1 on blood thinners

depending on dosage...???

[lonestarnot]

15. The face rear ranger

[Jara sang]

26. delete

[lonestarnot]

28. oops it's gone.

[MrTriumph]

20. You'd have a cocktail afterward IF afraid cops would give you a test

Okay, you've got alcohol in your bloodstream and you've just shot someone.

Besides keeping the shooting a secret for as long as possible what would you do?

Why you'd down a cocktail just in law enforcement officers knock at the door and want to conduct a sobriety test. "Gee, officer, the sobriety test will show I've been drinking, after all I just had one with dinner!"

[SeveneightyWhoa]

29. Exactly!

Good call. Another sign pointing towards Cheney being drunk..

[rodeodance]

22. I hope this continues to fester!

[killbotfactory]

23. luckily he got to delay telling the police about it

Had a beer, shot a man, had a cocktail, report the incident the next day.

If it had been: Have a beer, get into a car accident, have a cocktail, report the incident the next day, would he have been able to get away with it?

This accident gets more suspicious the more that leaks out about it.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

27. I'm surprised Begala is making an issue of this.

And he didn't preface it by how likeable a guy Cheney is, as you would expect.. ;)

[goodhue]

30. not to mention the cocktail he made as soon as he got back to the house

beer at lunch, cocktail before dinner, feeling badly, to bed by 10pm

[Disturbed]

34. It is obvious now that the delay was for several..

reasons. 1. To allow all the guests to leave. 2. To sober up. 3. To get the "story" together. 3. To see if the victem would live. The fact that the SS would not allow the Sherrif Dept. to interview Cheney and the "actual" eyewitness, the Swiss Ambasador, is the crux of the matter.

[melissinha]

31. admitting to any alcohol..... usually everyone UNDERESTIMATES

When I served on petit jury on a DUI case.... the main issue that the other jurors had to convince me that if the guy says he drank 5 beers...I said 5 beers? not necessarily drunk... but they convinced me that EVERYONE will Low Ball the number..... chances are he is lowballing it to save face...and drank 7 to 10 beers..

well chances are CHeney drank more than one beer. How many people, especially big fat liars like CHeney, will admit to the actual number of beers drunk.... I'm a pretty honest person, but even I'd report less beers...

[cynatnite]

33. When a cop asks people usually like to say one or two...

then the officer watches them stagger out of the car.

Alcohol is a depressant and it slows response time. They've shown even a small amount can considerably affect people.

I don't think Cheney was drunk, but I do believe alcohol played a role in the accident.