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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 10:16 PM
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Media conservatives cite faulty poll to claim support for spying program
http://mediamatters.org/items/200601030004

Media conservatives cited faulty poll to claim popular support for domestic spying program

Summary: Conservative media figures have defended the Bush administration's warrantless domestic surveillance program by citing a Rasmussen poll saying 64 percent of Americans believe "the National Security Agency be allowed to intercept telephone conversations between terrorism suspects in other countries and people living in the United States." But the key issue, which the poll misrepresents, is not whether surveillance of terrorism suspects should take place at all -- something about which there is little controversy -- but whether President Bush violated the law by approving warrantless searches of domestic phone and email communications.

Conservative media figures have defended President Bush's authorization of warrantless domestic surveillance by pointing to a recently released Rasmussen poll showing that 64 percent of Americans believe "the National Security Agency be allowed to intercept telephone conversations between terrorism suspects in other countries and people living in the United States." However, the question they are referring to in the Rasmussen poll misrepresents the issue for which President Bush has been criticized. The poll simply asked whether the National Security Agency (NSA) should be allowed to intercept phone conversations between "terrorism suspects in other countries and people living in the United States." Bush has been sharply criticized on both sides of the aisle for his apparent failure to comply with the requirements of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), which calls for the administration to obtain search warrants before or after initiating domestic surveillance in most situations. The key issue, in other words, is not whether surveillance of terrorism suspects should take place at all -- something about which there is presumably little controversy -- but whether Bush violated the law by approving warrantless searches of domestic phone and email communications.

The survey question is flawed in other respects, as well. It does not mention that Bush apparently authorized this surveillance without the meaningful oversight of any court or Congress. Moreover, while the question suggests that Bush has authorized surveillance only between "terrorism suspects in other countries and people living in the United States," in fact, the program has reportedly captured conversations in which all parties were located in the United States.

MSNBC political analyst Pat Buchanan, Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer, CNBC host Lawrence Kudlow, and conservative radio host Michael Reagan referenced the Rasmussen poll in defending Bush's authorization of the NSA eavesdropping program. The poll, conducted December 26-27, asked respondents: "Should the National Security Agency be allowed to intercept telephone conversations between terrorism suspects in other countries and people living in the United States?" Sixty-four percent of respondents answered "Yes." But the poll omitted a key fact in the debate that has erupted following The New York Times' disclosure of the domestic surveillance program.


The articles goes on to say that the crucial missing part in the poll's question was that the wiretapping was done without a warrant or any court supervision at all. It also provides the specific quotes of the conservatives who made this error and contact information of the outlets that aired the comments, if you would like to call or write them to complain.
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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 10:18 PM
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1. Couldn't they come up with anything better than that. Pitiful. They
need to be worrying how many members are going to be lost due to their greed with their President. Power too long always corrupts and they have done an excellent job of it.

Days like these make me proud to be a liberal democrat.

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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 11:54 PM
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9. Here are media contacts, to register your complaints about this distortion
This is from the media matters page:

Take Action!

Contact information:

Michael Reagan
1 (800) 468-MIKE (1-800-468-6453)
FAX: 1 (888) 226-4430
Michael Reagan Show
PO Box 6061-405
Sherman Oaks, CA 91413

MSNBC
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National Review
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When contacting the media, please be polite and professional. Express your specific concerns regarding that particular news report or commentary, and be sure to indicate exactly what you would like the media outlet to do differently in the future.


Take a look at the article on the site for the specific comments that used this faulty information in a misleading way.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200601030004
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 10:33 PM
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2. I actually heard a poll quoted on Faux News that 95%
of Americans support Bush's domestic spying.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 11:06 PM
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4. Jeez that can't be true!
Note to self: of course it's not true, it's FAUX!

I got so angry when I read this because I had heard reference to this poll (Hardball interview with Pat Buchannan); I remember feeling so disappointed when I heard that statistic. I had thought the American public had been coming around, and here is this 65% approval figure for what is just plain unconstitutional. I'm really happy to read this from media matters.

I hope people write to the media outlets that aired this misninformation.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 10:51 PM
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3. Then they'll respect ..
.... the numerous online polls that express overwhelming support for Bush's impeachment?
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norml Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 11:14 PM
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5. I knew it was a misrepresentation when I heard it.
Insults misrepresentations and lies are the staples of the right wing media machine.
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 11:17 PM
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6. even if 100% of the population supported it
if it's illegal it's still illegal right? personally I don't get as excited about this as some people do because I take the view that ALL governments EVERYWHERE and ANYTIME have spied on their citizens without the usual judicial oversights (left/right/centrist/democratic/autocratic whatever) but the "popularity" of something like this is surely irrelevant.

the vast majority of people where I live would probably support the public lynching of certain paedophiles, if I organised it however it would STILL be illegal, you get support, you change the law and THEN it's legal.
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Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 11:27 PM
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7. A concern was that it would discourage leaders from addressing the issue
Edited on Tue Jan-03-06 11:30 PM by Wordie
and, like it or not, they do care about the polls. So, if they all heard that a large majority of Americans were not concerned, that would make it that much harder for the investigations to get going.

It also is the issue of the lying about it that is so serious - that Bush has taken an end run around our Constitution. The poll made it sound that people just didn't care.

Everyone upthread is right of course. This is a republican damage-containment strategy. I hope that everyone mails off letters and complains about it.
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 11:32 PM
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8. whenever I hear somebody defending the indefensible
with the lame "the majority supports it" bs, I remind them that a majority once supported slavery too. Doesn't make it right.
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