The new Bush 50 state approval numbers are out (40% nationally)

[bluestateguy]

Baby Bush is down in a few states and up a little in a few more, but overall unchanged at 40%.

Some noteworthy points:

*Bush stands at 49% in Texas.

*His best state is Utah (58%); his worst is Rhode Island (25%).

*I'm persistently amazed that Hawaii is regularly one of the best blue states for Bush (38% this month).

*Ohio is Bush's worst red state (37%)

*Maybe we're a little hard on the Deep South. Of the 7 states where Bush has a 50% or higher approval rating, only Alabama (53%) is in the Deep South. The other 6 are in the Great Plains and Rocky Mountain states.

http://www.surveyusa.com/50State2006/50StateBushApproval060216Approval.htm

[Charlie Brown]

1. What is up w/Utah? n/t

[Tiggeroshii]

6. it's getting worse

It was 60 last time. It's going further and further down. One of these days the 4 people that live there will come to their senses. Until then, we're stuck with retards.

[The Backlash Cometh]

17. Especially since they're marrying each other.

[helderheid]

35. Don't people everywhere marry each other?

:shrug:

[The Backlash Cometh]

38. Do you also believe that there are only four people living in Utah?

[helderheid]

41. I live in Utah.

[The Backlash Cometh]

51. So I presume you realize that there are more than four of you living

in Utah? When someone exaggerates that much, everything that follows is generally presumed to be following the same humorous vein.

[helderheid]

69. I get it - I really do - it's just it gets old (living in Utah hearing

the same tired jokes about something that is only going on in very small numbers mostly in a small town in Southern Utah on the Arizona border).

[InsultComicDog]

103. Four people, eh! The average family there has more than four kids

:rofl:

[upi402]

89. SLC average home is $1.4 Million ---WTF is up with that?

[helderheid]

92. where on earth did you see that???

[upi402]

97. http://www.zillow.com/

[InsultComicDog]

105. SLC is nice

My cousin lives there. I met some great people up there... when there are so few left-wingers in one place they tend to know each other

[Massacure]

96. They sure as hell don't marry themselves!

:rofl:

[bluestateguy]

7. Some people just have to be written off

They call it flyover territory for a reason.

[Nothing Without Hope]

19. I disagree. We shouldn't just write them off. Many people have begun

to realize that they can't trust Bush and that not everything printed in their paper or broadcast on Fox News is true. And "registered Republican" does not equate with "Bush supporter no matter what."



(Thread with this photo:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4876705)

[Texacrat]

9. Utah has been the most conservative state for the past 100 years!!!

It was one of only 2 states to go for Howard Taft in 1912 (the other was Vermont).

[fujiyama]

75. THat's very interesting

Quite possibly the most liberal state and the most conservative state.

[DetroitProle]

78. Mormon theocracy

No coffee or cigarettes on top of being right-wing nuts? NO THANKS

[progressivebydesign]

83. I have met many people who moved away to Utah for its "whiteness".

As sick as it sounds.. it's true. I've met many "religious" people, from when we lived in a very right wing town, who moved to either Utah or Idaho, to get away from people of other colors and religions. They were wacked out to the point of refusing to let their children play with or buy dolls of any other color. When things get kooky religiously in this country, those types try to migrate toward a safe place in their crazy little minds.

[Skittles]

10. lot of brain-washing going on there

much worse than Texas

[Broken_Hero]

13. its a mormon state...

and a lot of the bible...err, book of mormon thumping of the church, goes in lock step with GWB, because, they still think GWB is still a godly, good man...

[ClintonTyree]

20. Mormans.........

they're not too bright to begin with. Anyone who would believe the nonsensical musings of Joseph Smith (visted by the "angel", Maroni :eyes: ) and actually build a religion around it hasn't got too much to work with upstairs to begin with. Mormons have to be the most gullible people on the planet.

[HereSince1628]

25. Is Harry Reid or was he LDS?

[helderheid]

42. Harry Reid is LDS - he comes to "conference" every year

[HereSince1628]

44. Yes, and so CT thereby implies Harry Reid is mentally challenged

like all the other people caught up in CT's rather sweeping general indictment of the intellect of Mormons.

Last November, when Reid brought the senate to its knees, it was Reid is brilliant; Reid is a hero; Reid for President, etc.

[helderheid]

47. There are quite a few newly elected Dems in the Utah State party that are

LDS - I know them and consider them friends. Very smart cookies and they are doing a great job building the party here.

[ClintonTyree]

66. Just like my "sweeping general indictment"........

your "sweeping general observation", that every Democrat got weak in the knees over Reid last November is probably wrong. He was doing his job and I'm still not all that enamored with his "leadership". Harry's certainly not using his full brain capacity if he believes all of that LDS horse-hockey. I've heard of temporary suspension of disbelief before, but permanent suspension of disbelief? That's exactly what's necessary to believe the Mormon dogma. Christianity itself is a stretch, but Joe Smith took it to a whole new level. A level that requires shutting down the independent thought mechanism completely. I know it's a fault of mine and perhaps I should work on it, but I have little patience with people who are into such self-delusion.

[HereSince1628]

84. Where in that did I ever say the democrats got weak knees?

My point is simply that DU GD and GD Politics were plastered with hurrahs for Reid, who was/is a Mormon.

I wanted to illustrate that when you were slinging around your generality you were swinging it onto him, a prominent Democrat who seems by general standards to be pretty intelligent.

[mwb970]

31. I have to agree that the Mormon "myth" is pretty wild.

People can believe whatever they want, but you've got to really want to believe that hooey to swallow it whole the way they do.

I wonder what it is like to be the kind of person who has to be told what to think or believe, and then thinks or believes whatever they are told. It sounds comfortable, at least. No thinking, no uncertainty.

Why do they all live in Utah? Is there something special about the air or water there?

[John Q. Citizen]

40. Utah is the Mormon cultural homeland. They went there because

no one else wanted there bloody polygamous cult anywhere near them. They moved to the sparsely populated Utah territory and set up shop.

The history is very bloody and very facinating.

[FatDave]

57. Personally...

People can believe whatever they want, but you've got to really want to believe that hooey to swallow it whole the way they do.

Personally, I say that about all religion. So unless your religion is "no religion", think long and hard about hooey and the ability to swallow it.

[gaspee]

60. I'm glad

Someone pointed that out. Gullible. Ayup.

[TahitiNut]

86. "Why do they all live in Utah?" They don't ...

Check out Palmyra, New York ... not far from Rochester ... site of the Hill Cumorah Pageant. The pageant has been performed in upstate New York since 1937. Hill Cumorah is one of the Church's most significant landmarks. Latter-day Saints believe it was here, in 1827, that the Church’s founder, Joseph Smith Jr., received from an angel a record of ancient American peoples who knew of and believed in Jesus Christ. The record, written on gold plates, was translated into what is known as the Book of Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ.

http://www.hillcumorah.com/

:shrug:

[melody]

99. written on gold plates, formerly known as copper plates for a SF novel

There's a lot of that going around, though. (the Scientologists did the same thing via L. Ron Hubbard)

[unpossibles]

108. them or the Scientologists

not that there's a huge difference.

[mitchum]

33. They think crazyass cult behavior is normal?

[melody]

2. exactly

Thanks for pointing that out about the south. Southerners are definitely largely Bush-skeptic. The problem is the hallelujah/militia movement populations in other parts of the country. My mom's home state of Arkansas hates Bush as much as Nevada does, and that is a substantial amount.

Gods bless my own California, though - only three states hate him more than we do. If it wasn't for Orange County, I feel sure we'd be at the head of the pack. :)

[XemaSab]

8. Orange County?

Um, have you looked at which counties are "red" any time lately?

[melody]

55. No, but I went to school there and it is known as a red enclave

Why are we seeing a red shift? :) I really hope so.

[NuttyFluffers]

106. yes, and those others are usually sparsely populated. :D

i don't know the exact pop numbers in a mathematical calc of this, but one can confidently say that a significant, if not majority, chunk of conservative votes of california come from orange county. everywhere else that's "red" (state of mind) is generally sparsely populated. i'm thinking either some county in san diego, or maybe riverside, might be the other closest contesting county for orange county's "red" (state of mind) voting bloc.

size of land area =! # of votes (thank god)

if orange county flipped for any particular vote, it doesn't mean it isn't still staunchly conservative. :D

[Nutmegger]

3. Pround RI neighbor here...

:P

Yeah, what is up with freaking Utah?

[ClintonTyree]

21. That's why the CIA, FBI, NSA and all of those other initial.....

agencies love to stock up on young, clean-cut folks from Utah. They "believe" rather than think. Independent thought is extinct in Utah.

[rucky]

30. You guys have been liberal since colonial times. n/t

[Yavin4]

34. Say Hi To The Griffiths Family for Me

Go RI!

[SoCalDem]

4. Here's the thing..

I think he had those numbers for a long time..even before the 04 re-selection.. Will we ever know the true outcome of that election?? Did he really "win".. ? Who knows?..We are as bad as Haiti when it comes to elections.. The funky media TELLS us what the "rigged" polls mean, we vote on buggy machines that are impossible to re-count, even IF we could GET a recount.. so who really knows:(

[Justice Is Comin]

5. If only it was a presidential election coming up in November.

sigh.

And isn't Utah where retard Roberts is from ?

[B Calm]

11. So when in hell are they going to IMPEACH him?

[rpannier]

12. As I Recall...

Hawaii does have a pukie governor and the state has been trending more conservative over the last ten years.
But...one problem with polling and Hawaii, 2000 and 2004 conistently showed scrub closer to Gore and Kerry than the vote actually was.

[Leilani]

77. Hawaii is trending more conservative

Many of the people with windfall profits have moved here.

Our Gov Lingle would be considered a Dem by Utah standards.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

14. Hmm...

*Maybe we're a little hard on the Deep South. Of the 7 states where Bush has a 50% or higher approval rating

Something to do with the Katrina situation, perhaps?

[Lasher]

61. You're on to something, but it's bigger than that

There's a lot of poverty in the Deep South, which makes these folks more dependent on social services than in other areas. As time goes by it is becoming more obvious that the Bush cartel is determined to continue their campaign to gut these programs, and it's going over like a fart in church.

[brer cat]

65. Too bad we don't have any demographics behind the polls to

get a better feel of who is flipping. I live in GA and probably 99% of the people I know who voted for * and now regret it are blue hairs. These older women are less likely to get (the real) news from the 'net and far more likely to believe anything their ministers say, and you better believe a lot of sermons were directed to telling folks to vote their "faith" (anti abortion, anti gay rights, etc). They LOVED * in 2000, thought he was so sweet and charming. Now the word I hear most from them when they dis * is "arrogant." It took a while, but they saw through him.

[Lasher]

67. Maybe we got no demographics, but comparing notes like this is helpful

I don't know if it's universally understood, but my home state of WV is distinctly a southern state. Karl Rove can spend a gazillion dollars on slick ad campaigns to convince us that everything the evil cartel does is good, but the blue hairs fall for this thing only up to a point:

I just got my food stamps cut off = BAD

I got a Social Security cost of living increase, but my Medicare premium increase took it all = BAD

My grandson had to move in with me because HUD stopped subsidizing his rent = BAD

My best friend who goes to our church told me they just cut off assistance for her autistic son = BAD

My daughter worked at a General Motors plant for 15 years. Now she's working at Wal-Mart = BAD

I'm tellin' ya, we're looking at a big victory in Congress this year if sothern states have anything to say about it. Write it on the wall, and let's compare notes in December.

[brer cat]

72. I agree, Lasher. I'm hearing a lot of the same things. However

we've got to field the right candidates to actually get the blue hair vote. Most that I know didn't trust John Kerry and they loathed Teresa. IMHO Gore/Edwards or Clark/Edwards would have taken them from * in 2004.

[Lasher]

74. Any ticket with Edwards on it looks better for southerners

At least he talks right.

Edit: But I'm not even thinking about 2008. We must take control of Congress this year.

[brer cat]

94. At least he talks their accent! lol

Although even the half-backs were attracted to Edwards, which is a good sign. I agree that this year is critical. My prayer (in GA we MUST pray to get rid of repugs lol) is that they will vote their pocketbooks and sweep, sweep, sweep.

The key I think, as illustrated by our conversation, is for us to identify the "natural" dems who were hoodwinked by * and work on getting them back (or into) the party. Blue hairs would check themselves out of ICU on election day if necessary...they ARE going to vote. Our job is to get them to vote against repugs.

I enjoyed our chat. Sorry to be slow responding but I had the world's greatest grands today and they hog the 'puter.

:P

[Lasher]

100. Drug Plan's Start May Imperil G.O.P.'s Grip on Older Voters

Well lookee hyar, brer cat:

WASHINGTON, Feb. 18 — Older voters, a critical component of Republican Congressional victories for more than a decade, could end up being a major vulnerability for the party in this year's midterm elections, according to strategists in both parties. Paradoxically, one reason is the new Medicare drug benefit, which was intended to cement their loyalty.

During next week's Congressional recess, Democrats are set to begin a major new campaign to highlight what Representative Nancy Pelosi of California, the Democratic leader, describes as "this disastrous Republican Medicare prescription drug plan." Democratic incumbents and challengers plan nearly 100 public forums around the country, armed with briefing books and talking points on a law that, party leaders assert, "was written by and for big drug companies and H.M.O.'s, not American families."

<snip>

For years, Democrats counted on the over-60 vote to regularly return their party to power on Capitol Hill — the party of Franklin D. Roosevelt, Social Security and Medicare, as Democrats were quick to remind retirees. But that changed in the 1990's, when that vote began tilting toward the Republicans.

One reason for the change was demographics — the passing of the New Deal generation and its replacement with retirees whose political loyalties were formed in a more Republican era. But it also reflected Republican success in muting or neutralizing the longtime Democratic advantage as the more trustworthy party on Social Security and Medicare. The passage of the Medicare prescription drug law in 2003 was intended to be the crowning accomplishment of that strategy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/19/politics/19older.html?ex=1140930000&en=f9105c223ac22c92&ei=5043&partner=EXCITE

Pretty much like you and I have just been saying. But if Democrats are smart, the Medicare prescription drug 'benefit' will be part of the discussion but not the main topic. They need to keep it simple: "Is Medicare coverage better today than it was 5 years ago? How about Medicaid? If you think they are, you should vote for our republican opponents. They hate Social Security, and have been doing their best to gut the program. Give us control of the House and Senate, and we promise to protect Social Security against their attacks. The Medicare prescription drug 'benefit' was designed benefit drug companies and insurance carriers more than it was to help seniors. If you don't agree with that, youy should vote for republicans, who are sure to deliver more of the same. If you do agree, restore control of Congress to the Democratic party, and we will put your interests first every time!"

Hey, I could be a speech writer, ya think?

Lasher

[bobbieinok]

102. who COUNTS the VOTES???? who is on TALK RADIO???

the republican control of the voting machines (ie, the VOTE) and the republican control of M$M make democratic wins problematic

[The Backlash Cometh]

15. What is up with Utah?

Do they get television and internet connection?

[helderheid]

43. Group think. The Church is more a business than a church and you know

how this administration feels about corporations. And they hate the gays.

[The Backlash Cometh]

54. Sounds to me like Utah should be the first state we should go in

to determine if those churches deserve their non-profit status. If they're using religion to garnish votes for the Republicans, they crossed the line.

[helderheid]

70. excellent point! I also suggested in another thread that we do a DU

convention here - what a hoot! Salt Lake City's Mayor Rocky Anderson is a progressive Dem who has been interviewed on Democracy Now! Salt Lake County Mayor Peter Corroon is Howard Dean's 1st cousin.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x451996

[Nothing Without Hope]

16. Creepy - that's close to Hitler's rating in Nazi Germany (LINK)

http://www.counterpunch.org/chuckman08252005.html
"Hitler, despite huge expenditures and desperately hard campaigns, never received more than just over a third of votes. He was appointed Chancellor, after a long series of backroom manipulations, by the Republic's ancient and exhausted President von Hindenburg."

Nice to see documentation that the South isn't some unassailable monolith of Bush support.

[fasttense]

18. You are right about the South,

Seems they are smarter than people want to admit. My home state of Tennessee has never reached a 50% approval rate in 2005. The majority have disapproved of brush for well over a year. Too bad the vote counts in 2004 didn't reflect this.

[WLKjr]

22. Ohio didn't vote for the bastard. n/t

[farmbo]

27. Hear hear!...quit calling us a Red State!

eom

[Kukesa]

53. Doncha just hate it? I do, too. nt

[LuCifer]

71. Same here in FLORIDA!

GawdDAAAAAAAAAMNIT I am tired of it! 42%? Uh huh! SURE! They fixed votes here in 2000 (and probably 02, e'plain Jeb winning AGAIN if you will PLEASE?) so gee, we got away with it once, LET'S DO IT AGAIN! Bastards.

Speaking of Governor Porkboy, how in the HELL does Jebthro have such a high approval here? That just makes me wanna snort Draino!

Lu

[Kukesa]

88. Snort Draino? LOL nt

[vireo]

48. Are there any such figures for 2004 available?

The closest I could find at that site were from Sept. 2005 and they showed the following:

Every state with a Bush approval rating of less than 40% went to Kerry (except for Ohio and Florida)

Every state with a Bush disapproval rating of greater than 60% went to Kerry (except for Ohio)

Every state with a net approval of less than -20% went to Kerry (except for Ohio)

[Lasher]

73. Looking at this particular poll...

It makes the Ohio vote fraud theories seem even more believeable, don't you think? I was already convinced a fix was in, particularly with the 2005 ballot initiatives.

[gaspee]

23. Go Little Rhody!

I'm proud to say RI is one of only two states that spoiled brat has never been to. The other is Vermont.

And in RI, we don't want the F***er here!

Every time I drive on I195, I laugh with glee over the IMPEACH BUSH billboard.

Ha! Only in RI.

[cali]

24. You're right. Wouldn't happen in VT

Billboards are against the law. Just kidding. RI wins this one. bushco approval rating of 25%.

[Stinky The Clown]

29. Now if 'Little Rhody' could just dump Little Chaffee ......... n/t

[gaspee]

59. I'm doing my part

The problem is that everyone around here loves(d) Chafee's father. The whole name recognition thing kills me. We wouldn't be stuck with the spoiled brat asshole as prez if it weren't for his name (and money.)

The hereditary Senate and presidency is one of my biggest political pet peeves. But I guess people are comfortable with what they know.

Our few repuubs can tell themselves that they aren't like *those* republicans and point to chafee. It's not looking all that great for the dems, but I'm doing my part and not giving up hope. I just hope our few resident freepers get out the vote in the repub primary.

Anyway, the one we need to get rid of is the damned govenor. He bought his office, said he wasn't going to serve more than one term, then oops-- he changed his mind. Quel Surprise. Sigh. I can't stand that fascist bastard. He's as bad as spoiled little frat boy prez, but with less power.

[freefall]

50. Yeah Rhode Island!! I didn't know the fact about what's his name never

having visited. I hope you Rhode Islanders can keep it that way. Makes me even prouder that I had the good sense to be born there! ;-)

Peace

freefall

[Cats Against Frist]

26. God! What the fuck is wrong with Wyoming?

Wyoming, IMHO, is the most beautiful state that lies in the interior US. Something weird about the color of the roads, the sky against the meadows, the far-off rock formations, and the mountains. If there was one state that I wish we could steal from the right (not taking population into account) it would be Wyoming. Since like 6 people live there, it wouldn't be a difficult red state to take over. I say we do it.

[Dawgs]

28. Woohoo!!!

Georgia at lowest point since 05/05!!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[ProfessorGAC]

32. Negative 31% In Illinois

Woooooo.Hoooooo. I'm just sayin'. And the really interesting states 'round these parts are Iowa and Ohio, both of whom went Silverspoon in '04 and now have low ap, and high dis-ap numbers.

The Professor

[Yavin4]

36. It's The Economy, The War, and Gas Prices

People are sinking because of this presidency. Unless you're already wealthy, this economy sucks for most people. Not everyone can play, or is willing to play, equity games with their housing. Gas prices are also kicking people in the teeth.

[catmandu57]

37. I see where Chicago told the pukes no thanks

on their convention, I was thinking that they could go down to Charleston, or maybe Selma, but, after looking at this I think Salt Lake would be a better fit.

[txindy]

39. See, Junior doesn't even have majority approval in Texas!

We keep telling people here that, yet we're doubted. HA! :evilgrin:

[tex-wyo-dem]

45. "Ohio is Bush's worst red state (37%)"

And I'm to believe * won this state a little over a year ago?

whatever

[Ishoutandscream2]

68. Yes, awful fishy, isn't it?

You can't tell me the BFEE hasn't been stealing elections.

[spanone]

46. Finally some good news! Hallelujah!

[DanCa]

49. Now is the time, we need every green vote thier is. (nt)

[bookman]

52. Ohio

Hard to imagine that Ohio went to Bush in 2004. Of course we know how that came about.

[dogday]

81. I was just thinking that - looking at the order of States

and how they are listed, the further down you look the more blue you see, then there is that red one that appears in all the blue and it says OHIO.... I feel ripped off all over again.....

[stepnw1f]

56. 40%?!?!?!?!?

What the hell is wrong with people? The media has really done a job on us all. I seriously blame the media for the ignorance and misinformation regarding this administration.

[leftofthedial]

58. what the hell is wrong with the "people" in this country

jesusfuckingchrist I'm getting fed up with America. How it is that 9 out of 10 people aren't screaming for king george's head is just beyond me.

[valerief]

62. It's the power of magic thinking

Rationality is just a cruel joke.

[sandnsea]

63. 25 states above 43%

Good god. 10 at 49-50%.

:argh:

[AndyTiedye]

64. Ohio Isn't Really Red. Blackwell Paints It Red Every Election

[Yogi]

76. Allot of thing will change....

once Taft is gone from office and Ted Strickland is the Governor.
http://www.tedstrickland.com/

[AndyTiedye]

79. But BLACKWELL Is Going To "Elect" Himself Governor

I sure wish Strickland the best, but how can he stop the election from being stolen again?

[progressivebydesign]

80. There is a lot of military and rich retirees in Hawaii.

That's my only explanation for that. More and more monied people are cashing out and moving there.

[Initech]

82. Once again, I'm proud of California - he's at 30% here!

I definately have pride in my state for hating Bush as much as we do. Sure, we may have elected a complete tool (Ahnuld) in a media circus of an election and my faith in my state was shaken a little bit, but this makes up for it! :woohoo:

[HockeyMom]

85. Long Island - Bumper Sticker I saw on way home

PEC0NIC - Make WINE, not WAR. I'll drink to that one.

[McCamy Taylor]

87. Katrina effect in the South.

[BlueStorm]

90. I do wonder though

If these poll numbers are really going to effect the 2006 elections. If these numbers are truly going to hurt the Republicans and swing the door open for the Democrats?

[roguevalley]

91. Round of applause for Rhode Island: -47% BRAVO!

[CatholicEdHead]

93. Minnesota is *'s best Blue State

No wonder why we are getting targed by right wing ads now. :(

[Sarah Ibarruri]

95. Europeans already think Americans have no self-respect. nt

[sellitman]

98. This is BUSHIT

He is 100% with DIEBOLD.

This poll business is foolish.

Just my .02

[DeadManInc]

101. I am amazed that he has 53% in a Katrina state

[goclark]

104. He is worse in Ohio because

he didn't really WIN Ohio.

Go Conyers!

[gtar100]

107. In other words... 4 out of 10 people are morons in the US

n/t