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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:41 AM
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THE FITZ RESPONSE TO LIBBY (32 Pages)
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 11:17 AM by kpete
Prosecutor Resists Libby's Request
By TONI LOCY Associated Press Writer
© 2006 The Associated Press

WASHINGTON — A former White House aide charged in the investigation of the leaking of a CIA operative's identity is seeking access to information that would threaten national security, grand jury secrecy and presidential executive privilege, a prosecutor said in court papers.

Lawyers for I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's former chief of staff, are asking a federal judge to force Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald to turn over evidence ranging from communications between reporters and their sources to highly sensitive intelligence briefings provided to President Bush.

Libby, 55, was indicted last year on charges that he lied about how he learned CIA operative Valerie Plame's identity and when he subsequently told reporters.

In a 32-page response to Libby's requests filed with the court late Thursday, Fitzgerald said he has turned over more than 11,000 pages of classified and unclassified evidence to the defense _ more than he is required under law.

Fitzgerald said he has given defense attorneys everything he has gathered on Libby's conversations with reporters. But the prosecutor said he is not required to give the defense the statements and testimony of reporters who will be called as government witnesses at trial.
more at:

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.mpl/ap/politics/3666784


Government Consolidated Response To Defense Motion to Compell Discovery, By Patrick J. Fitzgerald

http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/files/Libby_060216.pdf
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:51 AM
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1. I'm half done reading and it seems like everything we expected,
just argued 3x better than one usually expects from a government lawyer (IMHO).
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:52 AM
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2. can you synopsize?
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:07 AM
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4. My synopsis:
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 11:11 AM by Kagemusha
As expected, Fitz makes one main point with all sorts of sub-points amounting to the following:

Libby is not entitled to greymail the government into providing vast amounts of information not relevant to his criminal defense, including the - and I quote - "breathtaking" demand fo 277 Presidential Daily Briefings. Fitz lets loose with the big guns - he uses latin! - and explains that even if Libby HAD been charged with conspiracy or leaking classified information, he wouldn't be entitled to this stuff, so he damn well isn't here.

Basically there's two other themes

A) Fitz's office is going above and beyond the call of duty in facilitating the defense's legitimate access to documents without conceding that it has some magical obligation to do so, esp. for documents not in its possession or control, i.e. CIA, Office of the President, Office of the Vice-President

B) Without being so crass as to say so, the prosecution ought not be punished for wise restraint. Fitz chose not to charge Libby under statutes which might entitle Libby to a fishing expedition, though even then, not one this vast. Fitz didn't mention any unindicted conspirators and believes he deserves to be treated as such. Case in point, Libby's trying to get everything under the sun from any reporter who reported on the Plame case at all: Fitz didn't charge Libby with leaking information either from the news media or the government. Fitz charged Libby with lying about what HE knew, what HE said, what HE did, so the only state of mind relevant here is his own. Knowing what the free press put in notes about Libby himself and about Plame etc. will not make him less of a liar, and being a liar, and an obstructor, are the ONLY things he's being charged with, so the judge should rule as such and not pretend (as Libby is) that he was charged with 5 other things that he wasn't.

The arguments are well-written, cite case law with eloquence (quoting as necessary). It will be very difficult for a judge to disregard these strong arguments and the prima facia graymail going on (to ask for things the prosecution can't and/or the government won't provide and arguing that therefore the case must be dismissed).
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:34 AM
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8. I love the fact that Fitz cited the Poindexter case...
The irony is just too delish. In essence, Libby is trying to get his case tied up for years by asking for copies of ALL classified documents. Fitz isn't playing and cites decision after decision that backs up his stance.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:40 AM
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9. ooh that's good!
Fitz baby! Bring it on!
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:47 AM
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10. thank you
for the clear, concise synopsis.

If the judge accepts Fitr'z arguments, would that expedite the trial date?
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:57 AM
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12. thank you for the summary - you rock!! n/t
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smartvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 12:05 PM
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15. Thank you for this... nt
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 02:54 PM
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24. Looks like this case is all going to be about perjury and Obstruction
Any future indictments will probably follow the same track. For, as Fitz has pointed out, conspiracy charges would require the court to grant much broader discovery to the defense, potentially tieing the case up for years and offering numerous avenues for appeal.

This is a smart approach, but somehow unsatisfying for us red meat lovers.

I wonder whether this also rules out charges against any of the others -- particularly Cheney -- for the unlawful release of the CIA National Intelligence Estimate?
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 09:50 PM
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32. thanks alot, helpful after a long day of work, thank you again!!
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 09:54 PM
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33. Heh, I'm glad. Not everyone can skim 32 pages like I can.
Glad to provide some small service in my time here. I hope the judge really enjoys reading the full version so he can pancake Libby over this stuff.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 10:54 AM
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3. Thanks for posting this.
I'm going to have to bookmark this, because I cannot read this right now. This should be some interesting weekend reading.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:17 AM
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5. a few interesting excerpts:
Too dense for my brain, but found the following interesting- beginning on page 14:



The government has agreed to provide the defendant with documents obtained from
the Office of the Vice President, and to seek a ruling from the Court with respect to any such
documents that it determines should not be produced. In addition, the government has
provided relevant documents obtained from sources other than the Office of the Vice
President that reflect communications between government officials and others regarding
Ms. Wilson’s employment.

The defendant now seeks access to a wide array of intelligence-related information,
much of which has no relation to the crimes of which he is charged. Specifically, the
defendant seeks: (a) for the period May 6, 2003 through March 24, 2004, his own notes and
all documents provided to the defendant in connection with his morning intelligence briefing,
including the President’s Daily Brief, and additional materials provided to the defendant and
the Vice President; (b) for the period May 6, 2003 through March 24, 2004, all documents
relating to inquiries made during or in connection with the defendant’s morning intelligence
briefing, and all documents provided to the defendant as a result of those inquiries; (c) any
assessment done of the damage (if any) caused by the disclosure of Valerie Wilson’s
employment; and (d) all documents related to Ms. Wilson’s employment, and the
classification of Ms. Wilson’s employment status. The defendant argues that the government
is required to produce all requested documents in the possession of the Special Counsel, as
well as other federal agencies including, at a minimum, the CIA, DOJ, FBI, and the Office
of the Vice President.

Whether by design or otherwise, compliance with Libby’s discovery demands for
extraneous materials would collide directly with the need to protect sensitive national
security information and information protected by presidential communications and
deliberative process privileges. It is respectfully submitted that in addressing these discovery
requests, this Court be mindful that the incentive for defendants facing trial to engage in
“greymail” to seek to derail a trial is so well recognized that Congress passed the Classified
Information Procedures Act statute (“CIPA”) to deal with it.

A. The Prosecution is Not Obligated to Provide Discovery of Documents Held
by Agencies Which Have Not Participated in the Investigation and Over
Which it Has No Control.

Contrary to the defendant’s suggestion, the government has declined to comply with
the defendant’s demands for additional discovery primarily on the ground that the documents
demanded by the defendant go far beyond what could reasonably be held to be “material to
the preparation of the defendant’s defense,” rather than on the ground that such documents
are not in our possession.
Focusing on whether particular agencies are “aligned” with the
prosecution as the primary issue to be determined obscures the point that the documents the
defendant seeks are irrelevant and implicate serious national security and privilege issues.



The prosecution should not be burdened by an obligation to search the offices of various
government agencies (other than the Department of Justice, including the FBI) for
documents, most of which are classified, which would not be required to be disclosed if they
were in the prosecution team’s possession. The Special Counsel’s attempts to expedite the
litigation in this case by disclosing responsive materials in its possession, though not
obligated to do so, should not be understood as an indication that the government has drawn
the line on discovery based solely or principally upon the location of the documents
requested.


That being said, the defendant’s claim that the government’s discovery obligations
extend to all Executive Branch agencies is inconsistent with the law and unreasonable.
Contrary to the defendant’s contention, an agency’s status as a witness does not automatically
align that agency with the prosecution, or give the prosecution knowledge of, access to, or
control over that agency’s records. This is particularly true with respect to an agency such
as the Central Intelligence Agency, the records of which implicate national security and are
otherwise highly confidential and sensitive. As a matter of fact, Valerie Plame Wilson is not
the “alleged victim” of the charged crimes (perjury, obstruction, and false statements), which
victimize society at large, and thus the CIA is not the victim’s employer. Nor did that agency
participate in the grand jury investigation that led to the indictment in this case. Accordingly,
neither the CIA nor its employees “act[] on the government’s behalf in the case.”


Strickler v. Greene, 527 U.S. 263, 281 (1999). Nor can it be fairly said that the prosecution
has knowledge of or access to documents in the possession of the CIA.

The defendant’s claim that the Office of the Vice President is closely aligned with
prosecution also lacks merit. The fact that the President of the United States directed that all
government employees cooperate with the investigation did not, and could not, give the
prosecution knowledge of, access to, or control over all the records of the Office of the Vice
President, many or most of which implicate national security and are otherwise highly
confidential and sensitive. Nor did it render the Office of the Vice President “closely aligned
with the prosecution” in connection with an investigation which resulted in the prosecution
of the Office of the Vice President’s former second in command. See United States v.
Brooks, 966 F.2d 1500, 1503 (D.C. Cir. 1992). The Office of the Vice President cooperated
by providing responsive documents, not by conducting the investigation jointly.
Accordingly, while the government does not object to playing a role in facilitating the
production of documents in the possession of other agencies that are held by the Court to be
discoverable, the prosecution’s discovery obligations cannot properly be said to extend to
being held accountable for producing documents in the possession of other agencies of which
it has no knowledge or access, and which it does not control.


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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 09:55 PM
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34. why does Libby want all these CIA docs? To blackmail Cheney-WHIG?
AFter all, if he CAN get access to classified docs, there might be something there he could use against his former good buddies.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:17 AM
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6. Is the motion for discovery by Libby's attorneys also on line somewhere?
Anyone know? Have a link?
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:18 AM
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7. more interesting stuff from Houston Chronicle article
Fitzgerald said the request amounts to 277 intelligence reports and called it "nothing short of breathtaking."

The prosecutor quoted Cheney as describing the PDBs as the "family jewels" of government, and warned U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton that turning over such highly classified documents would provoke a lengthy legal battle with the president.

"The defendant's effort to make history ... is a transparent effort at 'greymail,'" Fitzgerald said, referring to past attempts by government officials charged with wrongdoing to derail their prosecutions by trying to expose national security secrets.

Libby also is seeking access to records about Plame kept by the CIA, including any assessments of damage to national security by the public disclosure of her identity.

Fitzgerald said he does not have to prove that the disclosure damaged national security to secure a conviction of Libby for perjury, false statements and obstruction of justice.

He also said he is not required to search every government agency's files for evidence that might help Libby's defense

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.mpl/ap/politics/3666784
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:55 AM
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11. From a poster at FDL
Just finished it. It's a big "fuck you" to the defense team. Snarky in some places. Fitz more or less says flat-out that Libby is just fishing for classified info to snarl up the trial. And he pretty much demolishes the requests. I'm no lawyer, but it looked pretty strong to me. What do the lawyers think?

http://www.haloscan.com/comments/firedoglake/114018908853020039/
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 11:58 AM
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13. bookmarked will read later thanks kpete - news is starting to break
again !
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 12:00 PM
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14. Rawstory links to article "Prosecutor Resists Libby's Request "
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.mpl/ap/politics/3666784

In a 32-page response to Libby's requests filed with the court late Thursday, Fitzgerald said he has turned over more than 11,000 pages of classified and unclassified evidence to the defense _ more than he is required under law.

Fitzgerald said he has given defense attorneys everything he has gathered on Libby's conversations with reporters. But the prosecutor said he is not required to give the defense the statements and testimony of reporters who will be called as government witnesses at trial.

The prosecutor also said he gave the defense documents about reporters who obtained information about Plame from sources other than Libby. But Fitzgerald said he has withheld the specifics about the reporters' sources to protect grand jury secrecy in his ongoing investigation.


<snip>

Fitzgerald said the request amounts to 277 intelligence reports and called it "nothing short of breathtaking."


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Moosepoop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 12:16 PM
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16. Love how he went from "Chief of Staff to Vice President" to....
"A former White House aide"!

What a drop in his title!! :P
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Dunvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 03:20 PM
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25. The "Drop in Title" is also a "snark"...
...remember those NYT articles from Judy "Little Miss Run Amok" Miller that cited a WH staffer. thereby obscuring her source's actual level of power in the Executive?

Like that...FitzSnark!
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 12:48 PM
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17. from Kos
Explointing a loophole (none / 0)


Legally, the prosecution for a crime is a lawsuit between the government and the defendant. The federal government, of course, is subject to teh decisions of the president and his subordinates.

If prosecuting a crime requires the release of information which the government would rather not release, then the prosecution stops dead. The government has that choice. (Of course, the right wing has claimed for years -- most loudly under this administration -- that the reluctance of the government to release information should merely mean that the accused's attorney doesn't get the material he needs to conduct the defense.)

When the accused is a member of the president's team, the president need only refuse to divulge that information. Then, the defendant gets off.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/2/17/12720/2337
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 12:55 PM
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18. from Bloomberg
Libby Request for Reporter Notes Should Be Dismissed, U.S. Says

Feb. 17 (Bloomberg) -- I. Lewis Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, isn't entitled to communications between reporters and government officials to help his defense against perjury charges, prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald said.

The government handed over more than 11,000 pages of classified and unclassified documents, including records from Cheney's office, said Fitzgerald, the U.S. attorney from Chicago who is in charge of the case against Libby. Libby's lawyers are seeking more material, including reporters' notes and daily briefings prepared for President George W. Bush.

``The government has produced all documents and information to which defendant is entitled,'' Fitzgerald said in a federal court filing in Washington late yesterday. ``Requiring the production of the additional materials sought by defendant would unreasonably encroach on legitimate interests of national security, grand jury secrecy and executive privilege.''

Fitzgerald asked U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton in Washington to deny Libby's request for the material. The judge scheduled a hearing for Feb. 24 to consider Libby's request.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=aRHOBMXuvCE8
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 01:26 PM
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19. Thank you for this.
Reading it reminded me, in a strange way, of November 14, 1966 in Houston, Texas. There was a heavyweight boxer, Cleveland "Big Cat" Williams, challenging Muhammad Ali for the heavyweight title. Sports Illustrated had run an article, building the fight up, based in part on William's size and punching power. (Cleveland, 3/4ths black, 1/4 Cherokee, had one of the most impressive KO records in boxing history.) That night, I wondered what Ali was really up against.

It is now remembered as Ali's prime, if not his "greatest" fight. Williams could barely lay a glove on the champion, who danced circles around Williams, evaded the bombs tossed in his direction, and landed -- literally -- every punch he threw in the three round fight, the only time any heavyweight champion accomplished that rate of accuracy.

Fitzgerald's response to the Libby defense attorneys is, in many ways, a similar display of skills. This is a mismatch. DUers should make a copy of this, read and re-read it for pleasure, and to appreciate what it is we are seeing. Trust me -- absolutely trust me -- there are people in the White House who are viewing this document much in the manner that other heavyweight contenders viewed Ali's savaging of Williams. This is not an opponent they want to go up against.

By no small coincidence, the Brady information is something I know a bit about. Brady v Maryland was the grounds for the two successful appeals of the Carter and Artis v State of New Jersey, in what remains the single longest and most tried & appealed case in US legal history. I'll go upstairs today, and dig through some of the case notes I have in my records of the case. Rather than be so rude as to attempt a highjacking of this thread, I will likely start another sometime in the next 24 hours.

Again, thank you for providing us with this wonderful information.
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 02:20 PM
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21. I loved Ali
I have never watched boxing since. He made it an art form. Hope Fitz does the same. Rope-a-Dope!!!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 02:39 PM
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22. I still love Ali.
He wrote a book last year that is simply amazing. The man is so smart, and so good. Read "The Soul of a Butterfly." A great book.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 03:35 PM
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26. "What's my name? What's my name, Fool?"
I can hear Fitz taunting Libby now like Ali used to taunt his opponents.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 04:15 PM
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28. Oh, yes .....
The first Floyd Patterson fight, 11-22-65 in Vegas, when Uncle Floyd was going "to bring the title back to the United States," ..... and then the vicious fight against Ernie Terrell in Houston, on 2-6-67, when Uncle Ernie insisted on calling the Champ "Cassius Clay." Both found that boxing can be a cruel sport.
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 06:19 PM
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29. ??
Both found that boxing can be a cruel sport.

Yeah, like that wasn't pefectly obvious to everyone (the whole world) before that.

:sarcasm:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 06:53 PM
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30. For some
more than others

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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 09:46 PM
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31. H2OMan and Kpete, the NSA's 'priority shift' as Greg Palast shows
Edited on Fri Feb-17-06 09:48 PM by EVDebs
was Pre-9/11 and was done on purpose, just as outing Plame was deliberate. The BFEE is getting desperate now and I'm smelling blood in the water; Fitz however is the only one doing anything on this, all other players have been compromised. The media needs to know why the DoD and DoJ inspector generals have been sitting on their hands...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2466336&mesg_id=2466336

""Despite these tantalizing facts, Abdullah and his operations were A-OK with the FBI chiefs, if not their working agents. Just a dumb SNAFU? Not according to a top-level CIA operative who spoke with us on condition of strictest anonymity. After Bush took office, he said, "there was a major policy shift" at the National Security Agency. Investigators were ordered to "back off" from any inquiries into Saudi Arabian financing of terror networks, especially if they touched on Saudi royals and their retainers. That put the bin Ladens, a family worth a reported $12 billion and a virtual arm of the Saudi royal household, off-limits for investigation. Osama was the exception; he remained a wanted man, but agents could not look too closely at how he filled his piggy bank. The key rule of any investigation, "follow the money," was now violated, and investigations -- at least before 9/11 -- began to die.""

More whistleblowers wait in the wings...
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 06:31 AM
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35. I agree 100%
I do not think many people appreciate the nature and extent of the domestic spying program. NSA is a huge agency, but it is not doing the bulk of the domestic spying. That is part of a coordinated effort that includes, but is not limited to, other federal agencies, along with state, county, and municipal agencies. More, there are "private interests" involved today, that are not significantly different than the private "contractors" that operate alongside of Halliburton in Iraq. This is not something that started on September 12th.
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 01:15 PM
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38. If you check into the backgrounds of DoD/NSA IG Thomas Gimble
along with a guy named Race, who is an interim Intel IG, and then the DoJ's Glenn Fine, you find that these guys are there to stonewall it.

Gimble is a CPA and been doing that job for YEARS, yet CBS News in an article from 2002 called War on Waste says that $2.3 TRILLION DOLLARS are unaccounted for at DoD. Gimble is the perfect man for the job, therefore.

Fine and the others are both "cherries", no background of investigative abilities whatsoever. Again, perfect for the job BushCo wants and that's NO INVESTIGATIONS at all.

Feingold and Fitz are the only ones looking. We know what they'll find.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 02:15 PM
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20. K&R n/t
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 02:40 PM
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23.  K & R
:kick:
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-17-06 03:57 PM
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27. FDL has a good synopsis
snippet

One bit that amused me was on pages 28 and 29, wherein Fitz argues that Libby would not be entitled to information regarding Valerie Wilson's covert employment status unless he could show that he (Libby) had been privy to such documentary proof at the time that his alleged crimes were occurring. It's your basic "put up or shut up" response from Fitz -- but it requires that Libby either let it go (because he did not see such documentation, and thus admit that it has no relevence whatsoever to his state of mind at the time of indictment) or that Libby fesses up to knowing that she was covert (which would open a whole new level of speculation, now wouldn't it?) or that both sides will just keep on whistling past this issue altogether.

Never play poker with Fitz. That's all I'm saying.

http://firedoglake.blogspot.com/2006_02_12_firedoglake_archive.html#114020939068532396
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 06:31 AM
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36. K and R
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 06:44 AM
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37. Libby is an arrogant Asshole just like...
the entire Bush Regime. If America is to avoid being a Fascist Police State this Regime and their Multi-Corp backers have to be brought down.
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