If DeadEye resigns, it's only to the good.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

Think about it. If the assumption is true, that DeadEye is 50-100 percent of the power behind the throne, it will seriously hamper the shrubco machine. Unlike DeLay, he wouldn't continue to have a spot int he White House if he resigned, and he wouldn't be able to attend the kind of meetings etc. necessary even if he were to WANT to "run things from prison" like a jailed Mafia Don.

Personally I think the scenarios about "What if they make Condi VP and she runs" or Giuliani, or McCain, or whoever, after a DeadEye resignation, are fine. Bring 'em on. All the plausible Repub suspects are already high profile and they could run for Pres just fine without having been VP. In the case of McCain, I don't think he could be any more visible as VP than he is as a Senator, in fact, since he has tried to stake out a "somewhat more moral than Shrubco" approach on torture etc., he'd actually have to either change tune, or MUZZLE himself as a veep. Condi ticket is laughable for so many reasons it's ALMOST not funny, and if rehash of this is desired I'll be happy to engage those promoting the Condi scenario on OTHER threads if they want to link them here.

Giuliani is the only one I think the VP thing would help because he's not getting much publicity out of office.

But the fact of DeadEye resigning would have two huge material benefits:

1. It would deprive the shrubco machine of its prime driving engine and architect. I could be wrong, but I still think shrub has about as much substance and drive as Dan Quayle. Even if I were wrong and shrub IS a big player, the evidence is indisputable that DeadEye is at LEAST a 50-50 driver if not 70-30 or more. This would HAVE to hurt the machine's momentum, even though there are still dedicated, driven ideologues like Rummy there.

2. The mere fact of DeadEye resigning would be an undisputable stain on shrubco. Despite any reasons given, health issues or what not, it would be clear that it was a resignation "in disgrace". I honestly don't think that any Dem candidate would even have to BRING IT UP. Sure maybe the odd political advertisement might refer to it, but even these would only have to do it in an oblique way. The mere FACT of the matter would have a big impact, both in midterms if it happened before then, or in 2008.

So, to all the Henny Pennys bringing up the "DeadEye will resign and Condi will be VP, this is our worst nightmare! Oh what will we do?", I say, bring it on.

[MadMaddie]

1. If Cheney resigns.....

That will officially remove him from the position of VP. Knowing how this group works, they will find or create some position that he can stay in the loop to influence decisions.

He is too drunk on power to let it go that easy. This group would probably create a new position for him.

[mac56]

2. K & R

nm

[jilln]

3. He's not going to resign

And the day he shot Whittington might have been one of his least lethal days since this administration stole power.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

7. I don't think he will either unless forced to, by the "Frankenstein" torch

wielding mob.

I think the chances of it are a bit more now than a week ago, when they were zero.

Because he IS the power, he'll hang on, and they'll hang onto him, until the last extremity, unlike other VPs who would get cut loose for much less.

[MrBenchley]

4. Agree...it's win-win for us and lose-lose for them

By the way, LOVE the graphic....

[AnnInLa]

5. I disagree, respectfully, but whole-heartedly

We need Deadeye around for the 2006 and 2008 campaigns. He makes a terrific target, a "representative" of this secretive, authoritative administration. Notice how the press is now talking about who really controls this administration, how secretive it is, and what a grab for authority the exec branch is making. Notice how much press the veep has gotten for his misdeeds, compared to the press the president has gotten. We need Deadeye right where he is, constantly showing the Murican Sheeple how repukes operate. The polls prove that they are getting fed up, and that Deadeye's poll numbers are abysmal....what are they? 19% Let the bush admin keep shoving Deadeye down the Murican's throats.

I doubt seriously if the bush/rove cabal would choose Rudy or McCain to serve as veep if Deadeye were to resign. The "base" doesn't like either one of them because of "social/value" issues. They would choose someone like Allen, Brownback or Santorum. Then, that person would have 2 years "experience" in foreign-affairs issues, such as the war and other international problems. We don't need one of the RW extremists to be "on stage" for 2 whole years, allowing the sheeple time to get used to seeing him look and sound presidential.

Keep cheney! Keep cheney! (Never thought I'd be saying that....spit, spit.)

[On the Road]

6. Another Reason Cheney Should Stay

A sitting VP would make a more powerful candidate for 2008. I don't think the Republicans have a very good slate this go-round, and I would like to keep it that way.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

14. I completely agree

a new VP would be just the shot in the arm the administration needs to recover its lost luster with the American people. You know he/she (and what a coup if it were a SHE and a Black SHE at that!) will be a media darling, hero, fresh breeze, whatever.

No, Cheney needs to stay and drag them down, down, down,


down


down

d o w n.......

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

15. We will agree to disagree on the subject of Condi as pres or VP nominee.

If the Repubs do actually put her on EITHER spot on the ticket I will pay for your dinner at the restaurant of your choice.

[dysfunctional press]

8. how will resigning keep him from running things?

he's actually doing the president's job out of the vice-president's office...taking away the regular veep stuff will just make his actual job (president) easier.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

9. If you're not in the WH at all, the logistics of trying to attend meetings

as a private citizen would be difficult to say the least, as well as access to information.

No doubt they'd try but the ability to run the WH from outside would present severe difficulties.

[dysfunctional press]

10. i gotta think that they have some kick-ass video conferencing gear-

and hasn't cheney been doing a lot of things from "an undisclosed location" since 9/11 anyway?

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

11. The difference is Cheney would be scrutinized for this behavior if he

resigned. If he is out of government, no matter how hard they try there's no way they could have him even CLOSE to fully in the loop.

As VP they can make bogus justifications for a lot of things he does, as a private citizen, no longer.

[dysfunctional press]

12. he could be as much 'in the loop' as they/he wanted him t be.

do you suppose that poppy is totally out of 'the loop' these days?

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

13. The potential for someone like poppy to be FULLY in the loop is SEVERELY

limited, videoconferencing gear or not.

Bottom line, someone running a presidency has to have a lot of face to face with cabinet, Pentagon, foreign dignitaries.

[dysfunctional press]

16. why? do you honestly think bush is "running a presidency"?

even kkkarl rove has more hands-on real-world authority than dumbya.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

17. I'll just agree to disagree with you on this, LOL n/t