Was Cheney Under The Influence (OF MEDICATIONS)

[berni_mccoy]

Cheney has many health problems and is potentially on many drugs for these problems. For a speculative list of Cheney's medications see here: http://www.doctorzebra.com/prez/a_cheney.htm#presumptive

Just looking at one of those drugs, Zyloprim (Allopurinol), one of the explicit warnings are (from http://www.drugs.com/cons/Zyloprim.html) :
Allopurinol may cause some people to become drowsy or less alert than they are normally. Make sure you know how you react to this medicine before you drive, use machines, or do anything else that could be dangerous if you are not alert .

IN NO WAY should Cheney even have ONE GLASS OF BEER with this stuff. But I'll Ask It ANYWAY: Was Alcohol Involved? And better yet, Were Cheney's MEDS INVOLVED?!?!

[pmteet]

1. My opinion

on all this is I really don't care. LOL I think people are making a HUGE deal out of this. While I am ALL FOR anything that makes the Bush administration look bad. I think it was an accident. OBVIOUSly, someone was not following the rules of hunting.

Anyone who know people who hunts, has probably known someone who has gotten shot. People get lazy, people drink take medications, act foolish.


Michelle

[Spazito]

2. LOL, gosh, that is exactly what the right wing talking heads are

saying, how.....coincidental!

[goclark]

12. Such a coincidence :)

This is such a big deal because it speaks to all the things WRONG with this
misadministration.

[NV Whino]

3. This is a huge deal.

So is the port sale. So is the wire tapping, Abramof, Libby, Diebold voting machines, Pomo selling the Endangered Species Act down the river.

But make no mistake about it, the shooting accident is a big deal. The fact that the Texas Sheriff has declared the case closed... without investigating it... is an even bigger deal.

[berni_mccoy]

4. If you don't care, why'd you speak up then?

The fact is, CHENEY'S RECKLESSNESS WITH A DANGEROUS WEAPON NEARLY KILLED A MAN. Does the fact that "anyone who know people who hunts, has probably known someone who has gotten shot..." make it OK THAT PEOPLE GET SHOT?!?!

Enjoy your short stay at DU.

[pmteet]

6. Not at all.

EVERYONE who is in a "accident" should have it investigated. But I have heard a couple people act like it was intentional. I absolutely HATE it when the media releases names of victims before the family even knows about an incident. I try to be fair to all. I am not going to say that his families feelings are less important than someone else because I disagree with his political views.
Do I think Cheney was REALLY upset? If he was he should have gone to the hospital. Do I think he is a JERK? YES. Do I think he should be investigated on THIS subject? Just like everyone else.
I PERSONALLY think there are bigger issues. Sorry I am not entitled to my opinions.

Michelle

[thebigidea]

34. his family WAS there. And of course you're entitled to naive opinions.

Just as we're entitled to say they're worthless opinions.

[pmteet]

40. ????

You must be very young. An adult knows how to discuss things without throwing insults. Maybe you should take a debating class.


Michelle

[ChazII]

11. While not in the same state

I do know the posters state of mind. We both share the same genetic disorders as do our children. We converse often at ctf.org for people who have neurofibromatosis. Doubt you even have a clue to what that is.

pmteet is new here. I thought that this was one place where a progrssive thinker/voter would not be judged. I am beginning to regret letting her know about this site. Sheesh, do we all have to walk lock step like the rupugs do?:wtf

I am not sorry to go off topic. I will defend my friend. :mad: :wtf:

[pmteet]

14. I can always count on you

I just do not feel this is as big a deal as everyone is making it out to be. YOU know me BUSH is always on my sh*t list. BUT I do try and be fair. IF a democrat did the same thing I would react the same way.

I think of the sago mines. GET the story RIGHT the first time. I am tired of ALL the stations running to get the story only to be wrong. It happened here in my hometown recently. IT is sad and BAD journalism

Do I think the VP put a spin on it? Of course. EVERYONE does. I think it is funny how people will accept bad/questionable behavior from their own "group" but point the finger at the other.

IF GORE had shot someone, would you be saying the same thing.

I AM a liberal. But that does not mean I can not see BOTH sides of the issue. I happen to disagree on this point. Last time I checked Democrats were NOT a bunch of clones. BUT cloning is ANOTHER topic :o ;-)

[cynatnite]

15. If Gore had done it, this thing would have been dealt with...

and not kept hush hush for almost 24 hours after the fact. People would have known from the start.

One of the differences between Gore and Cheney is that Gore believes in a transparent govt. Cheney does not. If it had been Gore, this thing wouldn't have been handled anywhere near this.

You can bet your bottom dollar if Gore had done it, the repukes would be screaming their fucking heads off about how reckless Gore was. His ability to do his job would be questioned, they'd call for his resignation and that would soon be followed by tar and feathering.

Don't forget what the repukes did to Bill over that Monica fiasco.

[pmteet]

17. RIGHT

Clinton didn't screw Monica either. I LIKED clinton a LOT I wish he could have run again. :bounce: BUT They WOULD have coved it up for as long as possible. Maybe I am a cynic now maybe I am growing up and seeing things for what they are.
BUSH makes my BLOOD boil. My kids have learned a LOT of new cuss words in the past few years. But I do believe they would have covered it up.

Michelle

[cynatnite]

19. But did we have a right to know about Clinton and Monica?

Sure he had an affair with the woman and I was disappointed with him, but it's none of my business. It had nothing to do with anything. It wouldn't make one damn bit of difference whether we knew about it or not.

Cheney shot a guy in the face and damn near killed him. That's a tad different than having an affair with someone who is not his wife. This regime has showed through this incident that they are entitled to be above the law.

Clinton gets impeached for a damn blowjob and the VP walks away after shooting a guy in the face. There is something really wrong here. Can you not see it?

[pmteet]

21. I see

them both as personal. They BOTH did something stupid. THey BOTH got caught. THEY both tried to hide it.
YES the VP NEEDS to be investigated. BUT DAMN get it off my news. I am MORE interested in OTHER and, in MY opinion, more serious issues. THAT is all I am saying.



Michelle

[cynatnite]

23. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't let this go so easy...

It's irrefutable proof of the corruption and recklessness that permeates this administration.

[pmteet]

25. I honestly

Do NOT think it was intentional. He did not shot the man on purpose. The only thing I think WE should do is treat him like WE expect Democrates to be treated.

Michelle

[thebigidea]

35. how we expect Democrats to be treated? Extremely harshly.

Do you think we expect Democrats to be given a free pass from the "liberal media" for shooting people in the face while woozy with pills and drink?

[Orangepeel]

43. welcome to DU, ChazII and pmteet

:hi:

[pmteet]

44. thank you

:hi:

[ChazII]

46. Thank you

for the welcome.

[helderheid]

10. snort!

"Anyone who know people who hunts, has probably known someone who has gotten shot. People get lazy, people drink take medications, act foolish. "


:rofl:

Oh yea, happens all the time. Boys will be boys. What's a few pellets among friends, right? It's not like anyone DIED! :sarcasm:

[cynatnite]

13. The VP of the US was reckless

He shot a guy in the face. The guy had a heart attack from the injury.

The VP was NOT interviewed until the next day. The American people were not notified the VP shot a guy until the following day.

I agree...it was an accident, but there are inconsistencies in the accounts of several people. This thing will never go completely away and I hope it doesn't.

It's also a metaphor for this entire administration...recklessness, uncaring and secrecy to the max.

[pmteet]

16. I agree..

it SHOULD be investigated. YES absolutely. But he reacted like ALL politician act. If they do something wrong or stupid, keep it quite until they HAVE to tell.
I think SOMEONE has to be the adult. BOTH parties do the same "bad" things. It is time BOTH sides grow up and start taking responsibility for the things the do.

Michelle

[cynatnite]

18. In a fair and equal press that would be no problem...

but look at what we've got. Corporate media who has schills like Coulter, O'Lielly and others that keep spewing their crap. They get treated like they are legit and unbiased.

They are the ones saying 'it's no big deal', 'it's a private matter', 'it's over' and so on. What makes it worse is that the corporate media follows their lead, speaks their RW talking points and puts on live TV the live extradition of a guy from London.

Don't fool yourself that ALL politicians do that. You may want to take a read of Clinton's book, 'My Life'. He set the standard for transparency in government and released information as soon as possible rather than sitting on it. The current regime loves to sit on important news for as long as possible.

[pmteet]

20. Don't agree

I said the same thing about the whole clinton/monica thing. It was personal, if wify didn't care than neither did I. They pretended it was a conspiracy. He covered it up...we he SHOULD have covered up...SORRY men are on my list tonight.

I do not believe either side is as righteous as they pretend

Michelle

[cynatnite]

22. It's not about righteousness...

It's about integrity, honesty, trust and doing the right thing.

The repukes dragged Clinton, his wife, and everyone else associated with them through the mud. They've thrown friends of theirs in jail, ruined lives and done far more damage than anyone should ever be allowed.

Watch 'The Hunting of the President'. It's on DVD and will open your eyes to how the Clintons were treated by the repukes.

Don't tell me the dems are as bad or no better than the repukes 'cause it just ain't true.

[pmteet]

24. I agree

NONE of that should have been done. BUT two wrongs do not make a right. Trying to do the same to the VP is just as wrong.
As a PRES. I LOVED clinton, but a man I think he sucks. A REAL man does not cheat on his wife. ANYTHING, HE got HE deserved.

Michelle

[cynatnite]

26. He deserved impeachment for cheating on his wife? WTF????

A pres should NOT be impeached for cheating on his wife. For crying out loud!! Cheney shot a guy in the damn face!

[pmteet]

28. NOT for cheating

but for lying about it. Like I said I would LOVE for him to be able to run again. LOVE IT LOVE IT> I would vote for him in a heart beat. I just have NO sypmathy for his pain and suffering.

The difference is too Clinton did it on purpose. His pants did not just fall down. :crazy: DAMN I hate it when that happens.


michelle

[cynatnite]

30. You are really misinformed...

Clinton did what most men do...lied about an affair. He didn't shoot a guy in the face, start a war based on lies costing tens of thousands of lives, get into bed with his oil buddies or tell the UN to fuck off. He didn't ruin this country to the extreme bush and cheney have.

Clinton lied about an affair, but the plan to force him out of office began long before that. Remember Ken Starr? The guy who investigated and investigated and investigated, spent millions of dollars to nail Clinton on anything he could get his hands on. Ken Starr is the guy who put Susan MacDougal in jail for not lying about Clinton.

You really need to put this in perspective. Clinton was stupid for lying about an affair, but he in now way deserved what he got.

Watch 'Hunting of the President' and read Clinton's book. It'll open your eyes. In fact, there are a few other books you should read. Al Franken's book 'Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them'.

Get informed and you'll see how really badly Clinton, Hillary, their family and friends were done because of the RW hatchet machine out to get them.

Keep in mind the repukes have the WH, congress, the courts, and media. They own it all and they will do anything and say anything to keep what they've got including lie, cheat, and steal. There is nothing they won't do to make this country in the way they think it ought to be regardless of anyone else.

Research and you'll be shocked at the things these people will do.

[ChazII]

36. Actually pmteet

is quite well informed. She reads and does her research on many issues, especially political ones. She has worked on local campaigns in her community for many years. She is no newbie to political tricks...by either side or the spin that the media does to a candidate. She is one voter who does her research.

[cynatnite]

37. Well, it's nice of you to defend her...

but excuse me if I don't take your word. What she has already said speaks volumes to how misinformed she really is.

[pmteet]

42. HMMM

Maybe you should learn that no everyone will see things the way you do.
The world is a big place with different view points.

Michelle

[cynatnite]

45. I agree, but it helps to be informed...

to support your POV.

[pmteet]

48. AND

It would help you to learn to see things form another's perspective. Just because one sees the facts differently does not make ones opinions invalid. As you get older you will learn that.


michelle

[cynatnite]

49. You're never too old to learn...

Research helps a great deal in order to cement opinions or even to change them. That's what I tell my daughters all the time and thankfully, they make sure they are well-informed.

You do yourself a disservice when you take corporate media and other apologists at face value without looking into what the truth is.

You'll learn that the longer you stay here.

A word of advice, honey...back up what you say or you'll be going back to whatever sandbox you were playing in before coming to the adult table.

[pmteet]

51. HMMM

Sad. Maybe ONE day you will understand

[pmteet]

41. You are right

Yes there are those who wanted Clinton out. BIG shock there! Starr is a low life in my opinion. Something about him is just....sleezy.

Do YOU think the VP SHOT the guy on purpose? Obviously, he was not being smart. AGAIN it Should be investigated. I PERSONALLY think they are making a HUGE deal out of this.


I think you should put the shooting in perspective. INNOCENT until proven guilty. You want to nail him to the wall for the fact he is a Republican.
That is just as wrong as them doing it to us. PLEASE I would be the first one to want him in jail. But fair is fair.

Michelle

[cynatnite]

47. I don't care if he was a bleeding heart liberal like me...

He's no more above the law than I am and it's obvious the way this entire thing was handled he was treated like he was above it.

The man has a long and well documented history of breaking the law. This isn't about political party. This is about someone who does what he wants and to hell with everyone else.

We have a rule of law in this country and if a president of the US can be impeached for lying about an affair then a VP should be held accountable for outing a covert operative, making sure Halliburton rakes in billions of dollars at the expense of thousands of lives and accidentally shooting a man in the face.

Most people would have been charged with negligence.

It's not the fact of them doing it to us...it's the fact that these people continue to get away with blatant criminal activities and lying to the American people.

They don't play fair and haven't for a hell of a long time. I'm not an eye for an eye kind of person. I don't believe that. But they sure as hell should have to live to the same standards as the rest of us and those assholes set the bar when they impeached a president for lying about an affair that was no one's business.

[pmteet]

50. FINE

Like I said Investigate. If he did something criminal nail him to the wall. BUT get it the hell off my TV.
MOST people with money GET OFF. They do NOT go to jail. Here in St. Louis one of our football players KILLED a women because he was driving drunk. He was caught AGAIN driving drunk nothing happened to him.. BUT wait... another guy is going to jail because he ran into a cop and amputated his legs. WHO gets off the guy in the public view.

They only people that go to prison are common joes like us. Politicians all buy their way out.

MAKE NO mistake I can not STAND the VP. I think he IS a criminal. I think he is in bed with a LOT of people. BUT this is just NOT the right thing to go after him about. I wish they would nail him for some of the crap he has pulled. Just not this

Michelle

[cynatnite]

52. It's a fact that justice is not equal or blind...

But I don't get why you think this is somehow not worthy of being prosecuted if he broke the law. The pathetic investigation only shows how much privilege he gets. He shot a guy in the face. That alone proves how reckless and careless he is. That's an undisputed fact. That alone makes him unfit and everyone should shout it from the rooftop.

As tempting as it is to paint ALL politicians with the same brush, your statement that they ALL buy their way out is completely untrue. If it were true Clinton would never have been impeached.

[pmteet]

53. NO NO NO

That is not what I am saying. I just think people are making it into something it is not. This is just my veiw on it. I know people who hunt and if THAT is any indication of how they are....well it is not shocking someone got shot. :evilgrin:

I think that they all get away with crap the rest of us would not. I think he should be treated like any other hunter in this situation. I am not sure about the laws down there. Are they lax?

Michelle

[cynatnite]

55. It's repuke country...

the shooting happened at a donor's ranch who is also a close friend of the BFEE.

Also, the secret service wouldn't allow Cheney to be interviewed. Maybe so he could sober up??? Speculation...yes. That's because standard operating procedure wasn't followed. He wasn't interviewed directly after the shooting nor was he taken to the hospital for a blood alcohol level and other drug tests.

It's standard practice and NONE of it was done.

[Clara T]

38. What about Dick's escapades?

[cynatnite]

54. You are a contradiction, Michelle...

This is what you said:

A REAL man does not cheat on his wife. ANYTHING, HE got HE deserved.

You talk about how much you love Clinton and want him back, but he's not a 'real man' because he cheated on his wife.

But then you said it was for the lying and not the cheating.

Interesting contradiction, Michelle...very telling.

[pmteet]

56. NOT at all

I DO think he is a pig. ANY man who cheat is. IF you do not feel that way then it is telling on you.
I DO like what he did for the country. BUT I am just glad he got caught in his zipper. He lied, no surprise anyone in his position would PRES. or not.

He was not impeached BECAUSE he cheated.

LIke I also said it was between him and wify. BUT It was nice to see him get what he deserves.

[cynatnite]

57. Do you know how to spell hypocrite?

You love him, you would vote for him, but you call him a pig...

His cheating on his wife was never yours, mine or anyone else's business. I know why he was impeached. I watched every second of that disgusting display on TV.

You got caught and you don't even know it. Very sad.

[pmteet]

58. FIRST OF ALL

I do NOT have a wife, BUSH would not allow it IF I wanted to. I am a women thank you

I like what he did for the country. Just think a sorry excuse for a man BUT I don't have to sleep with him

Michelle

[cynatnite]

59. You lost me here...

what does the fact that you are a woman have to do with anything? In fact, your entire post makes no sense whatsoever. Please clarify.

on edit: never mind, Michelle. Don't worry about responding. I'm done with this thread. It's better for you if I just let it go.

[Deja Q]

27. Well, even though a LOT of Clinton's presidential policies sucked...

I think Monica, as a person, did more of the sucking...

And as a married person, the creep shouldn't have cheated. PERIOD.

I wouldn't and I don't go with married people.

[davekriss]

29. I'm with ya', pmteet...

...it't not like the VP had to shoot a "friend" in the face (excuse me, an "acquaintance") for us to know he's a grotesquely immoral human being. We already know that. The hunting fiasco doesn't make one iota of difference.

[cynatnite]

31. It does make a difference in my eyes...

But Clinton did not deserved to be impeached for lying about an affair that was no business except for him and his wife.

VP was reckless and almost kills a guy. Of course we should let it go :sarcasm:

[davekriss]

32. All I can say...

...is too bad Michael Moore already made Bowling for Columbine, as the shooting accident could have been a crescendo for that film, putting the exclamation point to our culture of violence and fear rightly squarely where it belongs, up Cheney's ... (use your imagination).

(And I hope you realize I too was being sarcastic to pmt.)

[cynatnite]

33. Absolutely!

It would have been perfect for that movie.

My snarkiness comes from the fact hubby can't make it home tonight :(

Sorry. :hug:

[dusmcj]

5. no, megalomania. nt

[berni_mccoy]

8. Drunk on his own EGO... yeah, totally believable.

[dusmcj]

9. (Dick:) "ich bin ein Uebermenschenfuehrer"

und filthy rich too. Sieg mein Heil, ich bin Dick!!!

[PhilipShore]

7. WebMD: A person taking meds may feel more of the effects of alcohol

I am not a Doctor.

WebMD seems to say that Alcohol -- and other factors (such as medications) can affect abilities, and that the blood alcohol concentration (BAC) test is not an accurate -- scientific measurement of abilities.

I would assume that that applies to hunting abilities-- in addition to driving.

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WebMD
Self-Test for Breath Alcohol
Test Overview

http://www.webmd.com/hw/lab_tests/aa81725.asp

Other medications or drugs. A person who drinks alcohol and takes certain medications, such as antihistamines or sedatives (tranquilizers), may feel more of the effects of alcohol. Also, a person who uses other drugs, such as marijuana, will feel the effects of both drugs more than if the drugs were used separately.

The breath alcohol self-test can be done to estimate your blood alcohol concentration (BAC). The results can be used to determine whether it is safe for you to drive. However, the estimate of blood alcohol is not intended to represent your actual driving abilities. Your driving may be impaired even with a low BAC level, such as below 0.05 mmol/L.

[Clara T]

39. Here's a list

Medications for heart attack survivors:
ACE inhibitor such as lisinopril (Zestril), or AR blocker
anti-cholesterol "statin" such as atorvastatin (Lipitor)
aspirin
beta-blocker such as atenolol (Tenormin), metoprolol, or carvedilol (Coreg)
fish oil capsules
nitroglycerin prn
? second lipid-lowering medication
? second blood pressure medication


For generalized atherosclerotic disease:
pentoxifylline (Trental)
sildenafil (Viagra) prn

For left ventricular dysfunction:
furosemide (Lasix)
beta blocker as noted above (esp. carvedilol)
ACE inhibitor/AR blocker as noted above
? digitalis (Digoxin)
? aldosterone blocker such as spironolactone or eplerenone (Inspra)

For gout:
allopurinol (Zyloprim)
indomethacin (Indocin) prn

Other:
yearly influenza immunization
multi-vitamin
low-fat, high-fiber diet
bee sting kit near at hand (for food allergy)

OK, we're pretty sure that he's not taking all of those, but we're also fairly positive he takes some of these. And two of the most likely ones don't mix well with beer.

Go here for various reports on Cheney's medical condition(s):
http://www.doctorzebra.com/prez/a_cheney.htm#27