Those crazy conservative fundies are at it again.

[Wapsie B]

We've got to do a better job destroying religion in this country. :sarcasm:

Email floating around:


Dr. Dobson is going on CNBC to urge every Christian to get
involved. I hope
> >you will think about signing this and forwarding to all your family
> >and friends. Dr. James Dobson, with Focus on the Family, pleads for
> >our action. An organization has been granted a Federal Hearing on the
> >same subject by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) in
Washington, DC.
Their petition, Number 2493, would ultimately pave the way to stop
> >the reading of the gospel of our Lord and Savior, on the airwaves of
> >America. They got 287,000 signatures to back their stand! If this
> >attempt is successful, all
> >Sunday worship services being broadcast on the radio or by television
>will
> >be stopped. This group is also campaigning to remove all Christmas
>programs
> >and Christmas carols from public schools!
> >
> >You as a Christian can help! We are praying for at least 1 million
> >signatures. This would defeat their effort and show that there are
> >many Christians alive, well and concerned about our country. As
> >Christians, we must unite on this. Please don't take this lightly. We
> >ignored one lady once and lost prayer in our schools and in offices
> >across the nation.
> >
> >Please stand up for your religious freedom and let your voice be
> >heard. When you get to 1000 please e-mail back to: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>. Please press "forward" and forward this
> >to everyone you think should read this. Sign your name at the bottom
> >(you can add your name only after you have pressed "Forward" or (cut
> >and paste the text).
> >
> >Lets defeat this organization and keep the right of our freedom of
>religion.

Now exactly when have we stopped these people from worshipping as they so choose?
Isn't it about time to show the pics of aborted feti too?

:puke:

[Hobarticus]

1. They won't be satisfied unless they're being thrown to lions...

It's the pinnacle of their martyr complex.

[DBoon]

4. I'm afraid we are the ones who will get thrown to the lions this time

nt

[Wapsie B]

5. It sure is.

I thought the age of victimization was long since over. Not for these people. I long for the day I can cut off funding for people like Jimmy Dobson, not by taxing him but by showing churches his true motives. I'm sick of Lutherans unwittingly giving my hard-earned $$$ to this idolater.

[Xenotime]

8. I'll go get the cage.

[yellowcanine]

2. I am not a Dobson defender but I doubt he initiated this. Just some other

nutty fundi's imagination running wild. OTOH it would not surprise me all that much if Dobson were behind it.

[Wapsie B]

6. Someone in the propaganda arm of the gop

instigated this I'm sure.

[MadMaddie]

3. Don't forget to add the Gays....

are involved in this somehow..:sarcasm:

[Wapsie B]

7. That's so right.

We need to teach our schoolchildren to burn the Bible and to convert to homosexuality. :sarcasm:

[MadMaddie]

12. I would love to see a study....

That shows all of the crime that happens within these churches.....

From the theft of church funds....Tammy Faye and Jim Baker
To pedophilia (Catholic Church)...
To incest (many reported incidents)
Infidelity....Jim Baker

Once the information was compiled then it should be used to show what a fraud these neocon churches are.

[Wapsie B]

23. Me too.

I'd just love to dry up their source of fundraisng more than anything.

[MadMaddie]

17. I would love to see a study....

That shows all of the crime that happens within these churches.....(I am not implying that there are not good churches that actually follow the teachings of Jesus)

From the theft of church funds....Tammy Faye and Jim Baker
To pedophilia (Catholic Church)...
To incest (many reported incidents)
Infidelity....Jim Baker

Once the information was compiled then it should be used to show what a fraud these neocon churches are.

[Bandit]

21. Gay witches advocating abortion

:shrug:

[tularetom]

9. Good get that crap off of the TV

I'm sure nobody is seriously proposing to do this but I sure as hell wish they would. You don't see any real churches broadcasting their sunday services only goofy nondenominational megachurches with blow dried pompadour televangelist "pastors" shrieking about jeebus. and sheeplike lookin people in the congregations. I know I can turn off the teevee but these asswipes just piss me off and I'd like to cut off their fund raising channels.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

16. Gosh

I thought those shows were comedy. Especially TBN, the lady with the pink hair.

You mean they are REAL?

Who knew?

[LittleClarkie]

20. I hope they don't

Only because this is America after all. I doubt there is a serious threat. But I'm not going to call for someone's removal because they annoy me. People who annoy me have their rights too.

Looking at the OP though, it's like duelling fringe groups. Who cares if there are carols in schools.

When I was growing up in Virginia, it seemed these folks were everywhere. Jim and Tammy. Robert Tilton, and that demented leprechan, Pat Robertson. Now, they would seem to be on a few channels on cable and that's it.

Radio's a different matter. But I don't think those guys are mega rich preachers. Some of them strike me as someone broadcasting out of their basement.

[Katherine Brengle]

10. Ugh--they have every right to air religious programs on television--what's

the big deal?

That's the magical power of the remote control--don't watch it if you don't like it.

Schools should just represent all religious holidays--then there's no conflict--have decorations and songs from every sector.

That's how we handled it when I was in school.

[oneighty]

31. But those religious that broadcast

via cable television get coins from those of us that pay for cable television in our 'viewing package'.

We cannot opt out of their programs by not watching.

Our local 'Viewing package' includes a Catholic program as well.

We are 'taxed' without representation.

180

[dogday]

11. Render only unto God what is Gods'

and Render only unto Ceasar that which is Ceasars'....


On Edit: Quit using religion to propagate a political agenda....

[Bridget Burke]

13. Not just a lie, but an OLD lie!

A rumor has been circulating since 1975 that Madalyn Murray O'Hair, a widely known, self-proclaimed atheist, proposed that the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) consider limiting or banning religious programming. This rumor is not true. It also has been circulated repeatedly that Ms. O'Hair was granted an FCC hearing to discuss that proposal. This too is untrue.

There is no federal law or regulation that gives the FCC the authority to prohibit radio and television stations from presenting religious programs. Actually, the Communications Act (the law that established the FCC and defines its authority) prohibits the FCC from censoring broadcast material and interfering with freedom of speech in broadcasting.

www.fcc.gov/mb/enf/forms/rm-2493.html

A Christian site links that rumor to the e-mail you received....

The latest version of this rumor is traveling by email and starts: Subject: JAMES DOBSON PETITION -- VERY IMPORTANT and says: "Dr. Dobson is going on CNBC to urge every Christian to get involved."

www.knlr.com/Rumor.htm

[formerrepuke]

14. This is a reliable old chestnut (and a hoax, too) which the fundies bring

out every couple of years:

From Snopes.com

http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/fcc.htm

[Rocknrule]

15. If anyone believes in a different religion, they are being persecuted

[NoPasaran]

18. What a friend we have in Snopes

As you might suspect, this is bullshit.

[left of center]

19. It wasn't all that long ago, maybe a year, that

an email like this was circulating, but atheist Madalyn Murray O'Hair was said to be behind the effort.

Of course, the woman was murdered many years ago, but this fact somehow escaped the attention of many in the Christian right.

Once more, they also missed the fact of how this message had been in circulation for at least the last twenty years.

[Wapsie B]

27. Good point.

Welcome to DU left of center!

[left of center]

29. Thanks. I'm glad to be here!

[Der Blaue Engel]

22. Urban legend, folks

Even Dobson says so: http://www.family.org/fofmag/cl/a0026166.cfm

(Yes, I know; I went there. I feel dirty. But it was the first link Google coughed up.)

[Wapsie B]

24. But the emails are still circulating.

Claim: Atheists are petitioning the FCC to get religious broadcasting banned from American airwaves.

Status: False.

The fundies are still feeling this false sense of victimization here. They're still getting worked up into a frenzy. Yes the atheists are not petitioning the FCC. That part is true. But the fundies don't know that.

[FatDave]

25. Spammers love these

When one of these gets forwarded on and on and on, they can pull hundreds of good email addresses from them. It wouldn't surprise me if they originated them either. For example, this one will generate a nice targeted email list of Christian conservatives.

Hmmm, come to think of it, why don't you share those email addresses with us, bushwentawol? :evilgrin:

[Wapsie B]

26. naughty naughty.................

FatDave I'm suprised at you. :evilgrin:

[Emit]

28. Here's an example of their reasoning...

This is from a Bushbot on another forum that I visit. This is a good example of how many of the religious fanatics who continue to support Bush think over at the discussion board linked here:

Theocracy vs Democracy

In an interview by Charlie Rose of Turki Al-Faisal, Saudi Arabia's Ambassador to the United States the following paraphrase occurred.

Rose - What do you think of Bush proposing Democracy for the Middle East?

Faisal - Democracy is an experiment in America that is still being tested. Our form of government should also be allowed to be tested.

The form of government in Saudi Arabia is basically a theocracy, a mixing of government and religion. This begs the question of which is better, a Theocracy or a Democracy. At first glance, Saudi Arabia seems to be a very stable country.

The biggest problem with a Democracy is the freedom it allows. Freedom to do evil is as disastrous as no freedom at all. My solution to this and the solution proposed by the Constitution is the Separation of Church and State. This does not mean the elimination of the Church nor the State. The combination of Democracy, Christianity, and Capitalism is the best combination. Democracy allows choice, Christianity defines the proper choice and Capitalism takes care of those who do not make the proper choice.

If one were to look at Saudi Arabia it could be assumed that the theocracy is working quite well, but then, it must be remembered things are working quite well because of the oil wealth, not the Theocracy. Theocracies tend to be stuck in the past and can not handle changing events. Immorality must be eliminated in order for immorality not to spread. The idea is to eliminate the bad apple before the whole barrel is ruined. The elimination is usually a warning to others not to even consider the evil acts.

Christianity must of course discourage immorality, but that is best done as an act of prevention. By telling people of the disease, death and destruction of sinful acts, most will be discouraged from even considering the evil acts. If people are not prevented from sinful acts, then as a Democracy, certain evil acts can and should be defined by the citizens of the Democracy to be hazardous to society, and the person committing the evil acts be incarcerated or executed.

The combination of Democracy, Christianity and Capitalism provides the best method of survival of a society. Theocracy will not survive without the infusion of great amounts of cash associated with the oil wealth of the Middle East. Democracy is a bottom up government whereas a Theocracy is a top down government.

Perhaps that should be then next question by Charlie Rose to Turki Al-Faisal. To what extent is the success of the Theocracy of Saudi Arabia due to the oil wealth?

http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=48638


Part of me thinks this is so far over the top, it's too stupid to even warrant a response, or that responding might even give credibility to their simple-minded twisted thinking -- but, then, the more I'm exposed to this way of thinking, the more I realize how many people out there who actually do think this way. I mean, to the reality based, independent thinkers, this kind of garbage is hardly worth our time in responding. BUT, by not responding... well, that's how we got to this point with these fanatics -- and they've assumed some prominent roles not only in our government (see: TheocracyWatch) but also in the funding of various right wing groups and figures ( see: http://www.mediatransparency.org/ ).

[left of center]

30. Some of writer's reasoning seems sound enough. Still, he

or she appears to assume that morality can only come from religion, or Christianity in particular. I'm not sure about the person's take on capitalism though.

[Emit]

32. I'm not sure how capitalism fits into the Reconstructionists

or Dominionists' way of thinking --other than they often ignore issues about global warning and the environment and they protect corporatism because they feel God put humans on earth to use the resources, and since Christ is coming soon anyway, what does it matter (this person is clearly one of those two).

Here's more from this person's reasoning below (and, again, I use this as an example, because as the OP pointed out there are many people out there who believe all this -- it is likely this person has signed many of the petitions noted by the OP. Also, here are the common attacks -- we're the evil secular humanist/atheist/liberal/dems=socialists=commies who control the media and are responsible for all the evil porn, propaganda, social ills, etc. ) Same thing Rush repeats to the ditto heads, same thing being preached in these churches. Don't underestimate this movement. It's already biting us in the butt.

I encourage everyone to find out who in their local governments abide by this kind of thought. Theocracy Watch keeps track of those in our Government who, while they might not call themselves Dominionists or Reconstructionists, are clearly such as defined by their actions. Locally, I am working hard on a Dem candidate's campaign to upseat one of these religious fanatics who was voted in last year to our state assembly. It's through local politics that we will have to stop them- unless we want what their selling: A Democratic Theocracy based on corporatism.

The greatest contribution of Christianity has been the Christian Family Concept where the man is the provider, and the woman cares for the children and elderly. The woman equality movement is an Atheistic attack on the Christian Family Concept.

The thing I really do not understand is why women hate the position God gave to them. I know women love their children and their parents, but then abandon the children and parents to have a job other than the job God assigned them. The only way I have ever been able to understand this is stated in I Timothy, "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."

It would appear Satan is well on the way to another success story. Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden of Eden and Christians may well be kicked out of America as Atheistic welfare programs increase.

http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=39821&highlight=

American soldiers are being killed by the politics being played by the news and entertainment industry. The use of unnamed sources and fake documents is unacceptable.
~snip~
The news and entertainment industry attempted to move America to Communism and it would seem the news and entertainment industry is now attempting to move America to Atheism. The extreme hate of the news and entertainment industry of President Bush is in great part because President Bush has stated he is a Christian. There is a Cultural War in America, the battlefield is politics and the battle occurs in the voting booth. Unfortunately elections occur infrequently, but the news and entertainment industry has access to American homes on a daily bases. By weaving pornography and propaganda together, the news and entertainment industry has more power than what was intended by the freedom of press of the Constitution.

I ask you to reconsider your decision. The news media needs a Code of Ethics and there needs to be someone to police the news media relative to the Code of Ethics.

http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=40781&highlight=

Constantly on the news there are stories of how the government failed, was not fast enough or could be doing more. This comes as no surprise to me. Socialism always makes great promises that leads people to believe the government will take care of them, but then fails them over and over again...Socialism has always been in conflict with Christian Charity. Christian Charity is what God requires as a one on one bases and not as part of a government program that forces the person to pay taxes then distribute the money as the government sees fit. If a Christian desired to be a part of the news media disaster relief then they could and if they did not, they would not have to. That is closer to Christian Charity than taxes that people are forced to pay.

Socialism actually allows Christians to avoid their responsibility by assuming the government to going to take care of everyone, but then resisting a tax increases that are required in order for the government to take care of everyone.

http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=39626&highlight=

Yes Christians have an agenda. The Christian agenda is to return America to "God's Plan for Mankind". What Atheist do not want stated is that they also have an agenda. The Atheist agenda is to continue to force "Satan's Plan for Mankind" on America.

~snip~

It is particularly disgusting when judicial activists imply the Christian religion of America is similar to the Theocracies of the Islamic religion. The Christian religion has built into it a separation of church and state. Churches should not control the government, but the hearts of the people who control the government should be controlled by God.

http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=29932&highlight=

Churches should not control the government, but the hearts of the people who control the government should be controlled by God. Again, all earthy endeavors will fail without the wisdom of God, the example of Jesus and the assistance of the Holy Ghost. This means everything should be controlled by Christians, especially the schools, hospitals, judiciary system and government.

Christians have a Code of Ethics (the Bible) that they follow. No one else has a Code of Ethics that can handle the complexities of modern society, especially Atheists.

Charity
Matthew 26:11 states, "For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always."

There is no question God commands charity to the poor, however I believe no Christian should be a part of any charity or welfare that does not place repentance and salvation as the uppermost objective and requirement.

http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=28168&highlight=

Another phrase I heard was that the "law was evolving". Unfortunately I believe the law is evolving toward Atheism. God's law is constant and does not need revision. When there is a conflict between God's law and secular opinion, secular law is wrong. This is exactly what Blackstone stated in Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England, "THIS law of nature, being co-eval with mankind and dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other. It is binding over all the globe, in all countries, and at all times: no human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this; and such of them as are valid derive all their force, and all their authority, mediately or immediately, from this original." The key point here is that law was dictated by God himself, it is superior to all other law, and that no laws contrary to the laws dictated by God are valid.

Too many judges think themselves wiser than God. Blackstone was taught is law schools before the judicial system turned to the dark side.

The Christians in America are in the process of changing the judicial system. I hope this is done without throwing the baby out with the bath water, but there is going to be change.

I would like to hear from a lawyer or judge on this subject.

http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=27454&highlight=

I could go on, but frankly, I think everyone can get the point.

[left of center]

33. This is why logic is overated. This Christian Reconstuctionist is

logical yet is obviously irrational. The Bible is his sole basis for understanding the world around him. That which is consistent with it is true and good, while everything else is the opposite.

I used to regularly engage people like that until I learned one day how futile it is. The underlying motives and conditions for following such a line of thinking are just too strong to overcome. In other words, some people are insecure and/or not very bright about certain things.

Many Christians are not that way. Thank God for that, or heathens like me would be toast!

[emdee]

34. "An organization"? What "organization"?

Why do people fall for such obvious crap?
emdee