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[Stephanie]

The injuries from birdshot are visible on his face as Harry Whittington, the man accidentally shot and wounded by a shotgun blast from the gun of U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney while quail hunting in Texas, speaks to the media outside of Christus Spohn Memorial Hospital in Corpus Christi, Texas February 17, 2006. Whittington is expected to be released from the hospital later in the day. REUTERS/Todd Yates

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[FreedomAngel82]

1. Wow

No wonder he had on a lot of makeup. :( I'm glad he's up and about though.

[donsu]

2. why are you glad? he is a criminal

nt

[DBoon]

13. criminals deserve a trial under the law

not a back-yard execution by another criminal

[SeveneightyWhoa]

53. Criminal?

How so?

[nini]

86. what did I miss? What did he do?

:shrug:

Being a lawyer doesn't make one a criminal on its own, though many would like to think that.

[txindy]

3. OMG! And those bruises are healing. Imagine what they looked like before.

:scared:

[janx]

29. Yep. It has been almost a week now. n/t

[txindy]

37. You're a hunter, so let me ask you this question, if I may.

Dick reports that he swung in a counterclockwise direction and that Harry was directly behind him and advancing on him at a distance of 30 yards (**cough**). That means that his gun tracked all the way across Harry's body, from the left to the right side, before shooting primarily his right side. Is that what it suggests to you, too?

So, Dick has no ability to see that what he's just tracked across is not a six inch bird? :shrug:

[Old and In the Way]

59. Where would the Secret Service guys have been standing?

I assume relatively close (10-15 yards) behind Cheney, keeping an eye on things. That would mean he'd have swept past them, too. Wouldn't Cheney know that they'd be behind him?

I think he was just plain careless with his firearm and it discharged accidently. He probably was staggering around with a buzz on and his well-lubed trigger finger slipped.

[txindy]

67. Your scenario is far more likely than his.

Because his makes it look like he couldn't/wouldn't stop himself no matter how much time he had
or how much of his victim (in the blaze orange clothing) he had seen before he shot him. :crazy:

[daleo]

64. He couldn't have been directly behind in that scenario

He would have to have been to Cheney's left, and maybe a bit behind.

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Maybe something like pictured above. It would depend on the Whittington's orientation at the time (e.g. he could have been looking northwest, using the picture's up as north, and therefore have exposed his right side to Cheney.

[txindy]

69. Uh-huh. Which isn't what they said. Not in any of the changing scenarios.

It won't prove a thing, of course. I'm just trying to keep track of the ever-changing fairy tale.

Thanks for the help! :hi:

[daleo]

78. Yes, there are plenty of different versions out there

Just like Rummy's WMD analysis - "we know they are east, west, north, or south of Baghdad".

[janx]

65. I'm not a hunter--but I have used a 28 gauge shooting skeet

and trap.

Yes, that's all I can figure out. Frankly, I think Cheney misfired completely. God only knows what was going on in his head.

[txindy]

75. Ah, okay. I remembered that you were familiar with the 28 gauge.

I didn't know about the skeet and trap, though. You helped me tremendously with that picture of a 28 gauge that you posted. It eliminated the image I had in my head of a much smaller gun and brought home the impact those pellets must have carried. Thanks, again, for that.

[janx]

85. You're welcome!

Shooting clay birds--the only "birds" I've shot--was a lot of fun, though I haven't done so for 20 years or so.

[kayice]

88. Imagine what his chest looks like, it took the brunt of the blast.....nt

[wtbymark]

4. 30 yards - suuuuuuuuure

bet ya he had GSR on him - 10 yards at most

[shain from kane]

5. To be fair, we need before and after pictures.

Not as much brown on his nose as I expected.
And his lips aren't puckered enough.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

108. His lips are puckered plenty.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x457476

[global1]

6. He's Really Lucky He Didn't Get His Eye Shot Out........nt

[FSogol]

38. Exactly, that was close. n/t

[KC21304]

46. But but but . . . Ms Armstrong said

there were non by his eyes.

[Poiuyt]

56. "You'll put your eye out kid!"

[SammyWinstonJack]

95. !

"You'll shoot your eye kid" :spank:

[Missy M]

7. The wound on his chin line looks real nasty to me. It....

is more than a "peppering".

[daleo]

66. Maybe an infection site?

If he got hit with that many pellets, you would expect infection to be quite likely.

[fooj]

8. He's the Funeralgate dude.

It's called Karma!

Peace.

[Bridget Burke]

70. Karma means that bad things only happen to bad people, right?

How nice that nothing bad will ever happen to you! You're sounding a bit smug.

[fooj]

99. Did I say that bad things wouldn't happen to me?

I didn't think so. You have NO IDEA what you've just walked in on. Just found out that I may have cancer...

Shoots your little "smug" theory to hell, doesn't it?

[Mnemosyne]

104. I'm so sorry fooj, hope

everything works out okay. I will be thinking about you!:hug:

V

[fooj]

106. Thanks.

It's been a rough week.:hug:

[Mnemosyne]

107. I can relate fooj,

too many are anymore. Hang in there! :hug:

[CottonBear]

9. He's lucky he didn't loose an eye. :( n/t

[janx]

10. That guy came very close to losing his right eye.

How terrible.

[Stephanie]

25. he had safety glasses

I think Cheney said that

[janx]

30. Well if he did, they didn't do him much good.

He has abrasions around his right eye.

[Stephanie]

33. yeah, here it is - Dick says he had hunting glasses on >

Cheney: I had no idea how serious it was going to be. I mean, it could have been extraordinarily serious. You just don't know at that moment. You know he's been struck, that there's a lot of shot that had hit him. But you don't know -- you think about his eyes. Fortunately, he was wearing hunting glasses, and that protected his eyes. You -- you just don't know. And the key thing, as I say, initially, was that the physician's assistant was right there. We also had an ambulance at the ranch, because one always follows me around wherever I go. And they were able to get the ambulance there, and within about 30 minutes we had him on his way to the hospital.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/15/cheney.transcript/index.html?section=cnn_latest

[janx]

39. This just gets crazier and crazier.

TNX for the link.

[Stephanie]

43. I dunno, I can almost see the outline of the glasses around his eye

I think the impact caused the glasses to bruise him around the eye.

[janx]

54. That's certainly possible. He was hit HARD! n/t

[Catrina]

44. That's strange ~ I just read somewhere else that they called an

ambulance and it took about 30 minutes to get there ~ But Cheney says he went in HIS ambulance:

And the key thing, as I say, initially, was that the physician's assistant was right there. We also had an ambulance at the ranch, because one always follows me around wherever I go. And they were able to get the ambulance there, and within about 30 minutes we had him on his way to the hospital.

What time did he get to the hospital? I remember reading he got there at around 7.30. That would be two hours after the time they claim the accident happened. Or is 7.30 the time he got to the second hospital?


If the accident happened at 5.30 as Cheney claims, and they 'had him on his way to the hospital within 30 minutes, he should have arrived at the hospital around 6.30, assuming it took about 30 minutes to get there ~

And why has no one interviewed the REAL eyewitness, the Swiss Ambassodor?

[Freddie Stubbs]

48. Good thing that Cheney didn't have a

Official Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle. "You'll shoot your eye out!"

[janx]

91. Given some of the media reports that came out after this

little incident, I'm surprised we're still not hearing things like that.

ABC: "pellet gun," etc.

[sui generis]

11. ah hah!

so the dispersal pattern pic someone posted here earlier was actually flipped then.

And so it goes.

Hey!!!! Isn't that the emperor from star wars?

[janx]

20. Dispersal pattern pic?

You mean the drawing on the police report?

[sui generis]

62. yes, sorry I type faster than think

that's the one

[YOY]

42. No way Sui, not the Emporor

Grand Moff Tarkin!

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

12. Even with the birdshot wounds

he looks better than Cheney. I'm glad he wasn't blinded and that he will survive. Yeah, I know he's a freeper and a lawyer, but he is a person, and he can change his ways-he's got that chance up to his last breath.

[txindy]

22. Nicely put.

:toast:

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

31. Change His Ways????????

See, that's exactly why our side has no chance. Change his ways? Aren't you the naive one. No offense, but care to buy this bridge I've got for sale. It's a sturdy bridge. Only been repaired 20 times, but it could change in the future.

THESE PEOPLE NEVER FUCKING CHANGE!!! Why can't we all just wake up and understand that. I have no love for this scumbag. He would do whatever was necessary to further himself, and wouldn't give a damn about anybody outside of his circle of buddies.

I'm so glad you're happy for him. Meanwhile he's concerned about his friend Dick. See, that's what he cares about.....Dick! Prayers for people like him are wasted. Say your prayers for someone who deserves it please. There is enough suffering of decent people.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

47. That is your opinion

If you wish to wallow in hate, be my guest. But since Jesus said "Love your enemies..." and Rabbi Hillal said "Don't do those things you wouldn't want people to do to you...." and I was paraphasing a hadith in my answer, I won't partake in your hatefest. Thanks, but no thanks, for the invitation.

[donsu]

114. why do you think the post was hateful? I didn't see any hate, I saw

someone being realistic

[Bridget Burke]

80. You're free to pray for whomever you choose.

Anger is easy to understand, but why don't you save it for those who deserve it--not for those less judgmental than you?

A constant diet of bile won't do you any good.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

98. I Look At It This Way....

You're walking down the street....you see somebody about to fall in a pothole, you tell them to watch their step. They then turn to you and say...."Thanks for your concern, now go Fuck yourself."

Do you feel proud that you helped them out, and saved them from injury? I guess you probably would.

Me? I'd regret that I even showed concern for a vile human being that would respond in such a manner. If you doubt that whittington would be a good example of this situation, you're naive.

Playing nice and praying for these bastards to somehow see the light, is exactly why the dems are going to continue losing. See, the other side doesn't care about being nice, or praying for us. They're out for themselves. I'm not saying we need to be like them, but praying for their well being is going to get us absolutely nowhere. It would be better to stand up to their garbage and call them what they are.

[donsu]

112. agree

nt

[Bridget Burke]

76. You can see the years in his face (besides the bruises)....

But he's not puffy looking like Cheney, although he's quite a bit older.

[Richard Steele]

14. Someone tell Swamp Rat: Cheney is plaigarizing his work!nm

[Fridays Child]

24. That occurred to me, too.

The picture could easily be a Swamp Rat production.

[DoYouEverWonder]

94. It seems they can't cover up their inner lizard

any more.

[BelgianMadCow]

103. They are shedding their skins

[CottonBear]

15. I'm wondering what his neck and chest wounds look like?

The blast seems to have centered below his collar somewhere. He is one lucky man. :(

[janx]

36. That was my thought as well.

God only knows what Cheney did or how he fired.

[janx]

16. It looks as if the injuries on his face were fewer than

what appears on his neck...

Cheney must have been aiming straight ahead--the shotgun must have been darn near level!

[CottonBear]

18. Cheney said the victim was in a "gulley" so Cheney must have shot down

not level.

[Earth_First]

17. Wowzers!

[tatertop]

19. I'll bet that smarted!

[Sparkly]

21. Yup -- "Harry got peppered pretty good." nt

[Tin Man]

79. Whittington appears to be allergic to "pepper" - n/t

[Edgewater_Joe]

23. But Remember: HE'S Sorry for What HE Did to CHENEY

What an f'd up moment we're at in this country ...

[Imalittleteapot]

26. I can't see the pic you posted and the link doesn't work for me.

I'm getting the little blue box with a question mark.

[NV Whino]

35. Hold the control key

and click open in another window. That sometimes works for me.

[Mabus]

50. Try this

Go to http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/cheney_whittington;_ylt=Al2iC.hJtOKfT1tScvQTev6s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ-- which is where the story is, click on the Cheney slideshow (on the left). Whittington's picture is included in the Cheney slideshow (keep typing "sideshow" by mistake.)

[RebelOne]

27. He doesn't look as bad as I thought he would.

[npincus]

28. I think our soldiers look a lot worse after they're blown up

by IEDs in Iraq. Comne to think of it, I think all the thousands of Cheney's Iraq war victims, living and dead, must look a lot worse.

[eppur_se_muova]

41. Good perspective. Cheney's done worse -- a lot worse.

Maybe side-by-side comparison of Whittington and Faluja white phosphorous victims would illustrate the point.

[npincus]

51. I thought of that, too- the side-by-side comparison

I really get sickened by graphic images, I don't think I could do it.

[Catherine Vincent]

32. He's lucky he didn't get a shot in the eye!

[Lone_Star_Dem]

34. It appears to get worse at it goes under his collar

He looks worse than I expected, actually. For some reason I never took the fact that there would be bruising into account.

I'm glad he seems to be doing better. At his age it's not as easy for the body to fight off infection and heal.

[DoYouEverWonder]

40. Wow, Cheney really nailed him

glad it was between friends.

[txindy]

45. I'm still wondering why Harry said this happened on "Friday."

Why did he say that? Is he that rattled?

Adding: linkage http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x452759#452793

[Straight Shooter]

49. Cripes. He's got a yellow face and wears a golden-yellow tie?

Oh. Well. Never mind that. I was just thinking, did Mrs. Armstrong look like that after she "got peppered pretty good a few times" as she indicated to the press?

Someone can now check out the pattern on his face and determine the spread of shot, I hope, to calculate distance from Cheney's gun. I'd like to see Whittington's left hand. Did anyone notice if it has any pellets in it, such as from raising his hand in a defensive gesture?

[berner59]

52. Fox news just said...

"He looks well and there are no visable signs of injury"...HUH??????????? You can't spin these pictures...but they'll try!!

[Straight Shooter]

60. Well, it's hard to see much of anything ...

... when your view is restricted because your head is submerged in bush's a**.

[dogday]

55. And Cheney is getting praised and jokes in Wyoming

It's shameful, Cheney should of been there to see Harry, he has really made a mess of this guy and he has never even apologized at least publicly...

[daleo]

57. A lot of jaundice

I wonder if that is partially attributable to the liver shot. I wonder whether he has much makeup on?

It probably looks even worse under the business suit. I understand he only put the suit on for the statement, then slipped back into his hospital clothes.

It looks like he was lucky not to get hit in the eye or ear.

[AlienGirl]

61. That's neither jaundice nor makeup--it's betadine (disinfectant)

[daleo]

74. Could be, I guess

Although the other side of his face looks kind of yellow in the bottom picture, and he wasn't supposed to have been hit on the left.

[Stephanie]

77. i think it's bruising

fading bruises turn yellow

[daleo]

82. That could be too.

An older man like this, especially one who took a pellet in the liver, could have some impaired liver function, too. So, there could be multiple factors (including disinfectant, as mentioned above) at work.

Maybe the explanation will come out in time.

[woo me with science]

89. he does look awfully yellow. nt

[progressivebydesign]

81. No.. it's deep bruising. Deep tissue bruises are yellow other colors.

They would have cleaned up the disinfectant before the photo op.. and it would have been in all areas where he was hit. It's deep tissue bruising.

[Emit]

58. Actually he looks better than I expected

Older people bruise very easily -- my dad, who's about same age as Whittington, can bump his hand on something and get a nasty looking bruise in a matter of minutes. I would like to see the extent of his wounds around his neck and chest to get a better idea. And I'd still like to know whether the pellet that is lodged in his heart actually migrated, or penetrated the skin closer to the heart. Where did it enter?

And, yes, he's damned lucky Cheney didn't shoot his eye out.

[marions ghost]

63. wow

that's one tough old coot

Is that right?--He apologized for being in the line of fire?

[mzmolly]

68. Sheesh he looked so much better on my tele?

I guess I need to adjust my color.

[soothsayer]

73. mine too! I thought he just had a weird tan from below his forehead

down

[Marie26]

71. Aw. Poor guy.

No one should have to endure that.

[soothsayer]

72. Musta blasted his hunting glasses good to give him that black eye

yowza!

[progressivebydesign]

83. They rushed his ass out of the hospital ASAP.

How much you wanna bet he has a full medical suite set up at his mansion, for when he returns home. What is he clutching in his hand.. on the bottom photo?

[Catherine Vincent]

84. I was thinking that too.

It's like he'll still be in the hospital but at home.

[woo me with science]

87. not as bad as i expected. looks like acne. nt

[daleo]

93. That might be Fox's next headline

I can hear it now. "The 78 year old Mr. Whittington suffered a coincidental relapse of acne while in the hospital".

[woo me with science]

110. LOL nt

[seabeyond]

90. poor man. well, he isnt not poor. but ah well. sorry he is hurt n/t

[Swamp Rat]

92. That's not nearly as bad as what Cheney has done to American soldiers n/t

[Stephanie]

96. Everyone's saying Cheney's going to put you out of business, Swamp Rat

That photo looks like one of yours.

[Swamp Rat]

97. LOL! ... Here's mine:

:d

[arwalden]

100. You'll shoot your eye out, kid!

[kma3346]

101. VERY different than what I saw on CNN

Wow! I just saw him up on Wolf's big-brother-like Situation Room giant screen. With the shifting graphics and different screens, you could never tell that he was this beat up. You couldn't see the bruising very much at all. I was thinking that he didn't look bad at all. But this picture tells a totally different story. It will be interesting to see if Fox uses some fancy way to hide the extent of his injuries as well. On the text below, it said "From friend to friend." What a joke. Cheney called him an "acquaintance" the other day when pressed about it. And him apologizing to Cheney is just ridiculous. Boy, I really feel like I'm living in Orwell's 1984.

:puke:

[BelgianMadCow]

105. I can't watch CNN anymore, off the cable here, and I'm not sad

I have to go digital first...

I still remember the shock I felt when CNN began beating the War Drums. Until then, I thought they were the network of record.

Now, they and the NYT have to call themselves to be the news source "of record" just like Fox is fair and balanced.

:crazy: :eyes: :wtf:

[klook]

102. This kind of thing happens all the time, you know

There are people all over McAllen and Corpus Christi who look like this, if you can believe some folks.

[Stephanie]

109. right, a friend from TX just told me that

he's a freeper friend of my dad's, and he said people shoot each other hunting all the time and never get charged. said a guy killed another guy on a ranch last year but they didn't charge him.

[woo me with science]

111. oh, my. much worse on the home computer

all that yellow is definitely bad, bad bruising. it really depends which monitor you are using, how bad it looks.

[Thtwudbeme]

113. Oh screw Whittington; I mean, hell....I am glad he is OK, but I don't

give a flying rats ass about a rich GOP lawyer crook who went hunting with the bad assed millionaire's club.

Fuck him, and the limo he rode in on.