I saw a bumper sticker that said: "It's not a choice it's a child" today

[Quixote1818]

When I saw it I was thinking: "Well, it's not a child, it's a zygote".

It made me want to come up with a bumper sticker that says: "It's not a choice it's a zygote" or "It's not a choice it's a group of cells".


Any other ideas?

[izzybeans]

1. Or its not a child its a blastocyst

[upi402]

2. "it's not a human, it's Republican"

:toast:

[diddlysquat]

31. LOL

that's good!

[in_cog_ni_to]

3. "It's not a child, it's a zygote"

"It's not a child, it's a BLASTOCYST" ;)

[varkam]

4. Most of the cars I see with those stickers on them...

are being driven by men. I think there might be an evolutionary story to be told here...

[dsc]

8. anything like evidence to back that up

Most polls show women only slightly less likely than men to be pro life.

[TahitiNut]

10. I hope you mean "anti-choice"

I'm both pro-life and pro-choice. I'm pro-gress, too. :silly:

[dsc]

I call people by what they prefer to be called and do so consistently.

My original question remains though admittedly it wasn't addressed to you.

[Crowdance]

16. "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds"

--Ralph Waldo Emerson

[dsc]

17. I consider it fairness

[Left Is Write]

38. Those on the other side don't always extend that courtesy.

Many of them call those who are pro-choice "pro-abortion."

Quite simply, the pro-life label doesn't necessarily fit. First, it implies that those who are pro-choice are "anti-life." Second, the pro-life label only seems to be pro-life-of-the-fetus. It doesn't take into account the mother's life, nor does it always take into account the life of the baby after it is born.

Many times those who consider themselves "pro-life" in the abortion debate are also pro-capital punishment. How that fits with a so-called "sanctity of life" view is anyone's guess.

Pro-choice advocates don't want to take away any of a woman's reproductive choices, including access to contraceptives, the choice to abort, and the choice to give birth. The so-called pro-life advocates do want to limit women's choices. The accurate term, then, is anti-choice.

If they reserve the right to call me "pro-abortion" then I reserve the right to call them "anti-choice."

[baldguy]

50. To be truly "pro-life" would mean to be against the death penalty.

Against war. Against allowing lawless corporation pumping carcinogens and other poisons into our air & water & food.

It would also mean being FOR creating policies to make people's lives better: national health care, a living wage, universal high quality education, real Independence from foreign sources of energy.

In short, a true "pro-life" person would not be a Republican.

[trixie]

75. to add....

A pro-life person would voter FOR taxes that feed children, house children and clothe children. They would do anything in their power to support children and their families.

I am anti-enslavement of women's bodies by the government. You can shorten it to pro-choice. I vote for women, children and families consistantly.

[Ignacio Upton]

13. I think men are actually slightly more pro-life

I read this book called "Culture War?" by Morris Fiorina, who believes that America is not polarized (I agree with most of what he said, except for the kind of polls he used, like his over-use of Republican-leaning Gallup.) He said that men were more likely than women to be pro-life based on polls. Although maybe he was selectively looking a few polls. He also argued that women vote Democratic because of economic and national security issues (hence the term "mommy party" for the Democrats in how we act on policies.)

[dsc]

18. that is what I said

But slightly not hugely which is my point. I have seen the bumber sticker mentioned in the OP and I don't recall anything like an all men no women division.

[Clark2008]

34. I see it on Big Rigs, mostly, which, mostly, are driven by men.

Just saying.

Covenant is the trucking company.

Remind me never to use their products.

[dsc]

37. I have tended to see it on cars more than trucks

which to my experience tend not to have political stickers due to not wanting the company to be boycotted.

[Clark2008]

51. Apparently, this trucking company doesn't care.

I see it daily.

I should really spend some time seeing what they move because I really don't want to purchase their products; however, I do have a life outside of DU and politics. I have a son to raise and a new husband to adore. I don't shop at Wally World. I buy American TVs and cars. I cover up at night instead of turning up the heat. I'm trying, I'm trying. I really am! :)

Seriously, I do need to research this trucking company because it annoys me that it's plastered on the back of their semis - in lead-plate, no less. Not a bumper sticker... a permanent fixture on the trailer of the rig.

[OnyxCollie]

39. Aaah! I saw that today on the back of a semi.

It was for some produce company.

[varkam]

23. Alright. Evidence it is.

All I said was the cars that I've seen, which I'm not even attempting to offer up as a scientific sampling - it could just be selective memory, my point was more rhetorical than anything else.

But, one number that I've heard was that 72% of pro-life leaders are men.

[dsc]

25. One number I heard isn't evidence

I heard that all twinkies are non fattening. Of course I heard it from a twinkie salesman.

[fishwax]

33. how is someone supposed to provide evidence for a comment like

"most of the cars I see with those stickers on them are being driven by men"?

[dsc]

35. How about a poll that shows most pro lifers are men

I just got done posting one that suggests the opposite. It seems that might work.

[fishwax]

42. that wouldn't prove or disprove what the poster said

the poster spoke of cars they personally saw.

I saw three red cars on my way home from the store this evening. I don't have any evidence, though, so maybe it didn't happen.

Also, for the sake of accuracy (and assuming your referring to the data posted in post #29), it doesn't in any way suggest the opposite of "most pro lifers are men." It says that a slim majority of women think there should be some legal restrictions on abortion, but that doesn't (a) mean that most/many/any of that slim majority consider themselves pro-life, or (b) allow any conclusion as to whether most pro-lifers are women rather than men.

[dsc]

43. combined with the numbers of pro choicers we know exist

if there are so few women in that camp there have to be more men.

[fishwax]

44. I don't see evidence of that anywhere in the article

it doesn't say anything about what men's numbers would be in a similar poll, or about what the raw numbers of women in either category are.

[varkam]

45. Actually...

it was an analysis done by the Pro-Choice Public Education Project - so it really isn't just a number I pulled out my butt. It's evidence. Just cause it comes from the Pro-Choice Public Education Project doesn't mean it can be dismissed as propaganda (and the same is true of pro-life groups). One would actually have to look at the methodology to see if that were the case.

[dsc]

29. Here is an example of evidence

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030701-115636-9509r.htm

Fifty-one percent of women surveyed by the Center for the Advancement of Women said the government should prohibit abortion or limit it to extreme cases, such as rape, incest, or life-threatening complications.
The findings, with a 3 percent margin of error for the 1,000 women surveyed, tips the scale from the last sampling in 2001, when 45 percent of women sided against making abortion readily available or imposing only mild restrictions. Only 30 percent support making it generally available, down from 34 percent in 2001, the survey found.
The New York-based center that sponsored the survey is a nonpartisan advocacy group for pro-choice women's rights. The center's president, Faye Wattleton, headed the Planned Parenthood Federation of America for 14 years.

I am unhappy with the source of the article but the source of the poll should help negate that.

[dysfunctional press]

62. people who want exceptions for incest and rape are the worst hypocrites-

either it's a human life, or it isn't.

(it isn't).

[Misunderestimator]

74. I've found men who are anti-choice are more vocal about it.

Ergo... it makes sense to me that a majority of the cars sporting stupid anti-choice bumperstickers like that are driven by men. That's been my observation as well.

[Warren DeMontague]

84. Based solely on experience- for instance, at the March for Womens Lives

in DC in April '04, there were maybe 200 or so anti-choice folks out there. (Compared to 1.2 Million pro-choice marchers, so of course the media gave "both sides" equal time) the VAST majority of them were men, and they all -men AND women- looked like they hadn't had a satisfactory orgasm, much less a wardrobe upgrade, since about 1974.

That said, there were a lot of men- like me- out there on the pro-choice side. I don't think it breaks down perfectly neatly along gender lines, although I do think anti-choice men are a special breed of fullo'shit. Don't like abortion? Great, don't have one- and if you're a man and you're so worried about it, cut your damn nuts off and you'll never be a party to an unwanted pregnancy.

The whole anti-choice thing is, IMHO, just another strain of the mental illness that causes so many people to obsess about telling other human beings what they can and cannot do with their OWN bodies.

[democrank]

5. If it`s not a Chickenhawk

it`s not Bush.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

6. Gov't can't force me to be a host organism

:evilgrin:

[TahitiNut]

7. Why do Undead Corpses worry about Unborn Children??

Beats me. :shrug:

[Wapsie B]

12. Part of it's a deep-seated hatred of women

wanting to control the wombs of others.

[trixie]

79. I can find a lot of stats on women, none on men

but here is my personal view: This country is going backward in regards to women's rights and civil rights. The leading factor of this is the GOP. The leading gender in the GOP is men. Men who want to control society are more apt to want to control the other half of society - women. The best way to control women is to take away their reproductive choices.

[unblock]

9. "it may be a child, but it's a parasite!"

i personally think there's no moral basis to KILL an unwanted fetus, but there IS a clear moral basis for REMOVING it from your body. it is simply unfortunate that removing it involves killing it, unless it's already viable. this happens to mesh fairly neatly into the up-until-the-third-trimester scheme, although as medical advances keep pushing back the moment of viability, it becomes a more complicated question.

[leftstreet]

11. "Will Banning Abortion Lower the Price of Gas?"

A bumper sticker that needs to happen.
:)

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

14. I Think It's A Child. But It Is A Choice Too. n/t

[rpgamerd00d]

15. Shove this in their face :

Leviticus 17:11

"For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life."


Hence, life only begins when blood infuses the embryo, which is several days after conception, according to the bible. No anti-choicer can POSSIBLY argue against you with this quote.

[otohara]

19. I Saw One - Every Sperm Does Not Need A Name

I liked that one...

[HockeyMom]

20. Pro Choice Mother of Two

I chose to have none BEFORE and none AFTER.

[Left Is Write]

40. Have you seen the one that says "Your Mother Was Pro-Life"?

That one galls me more than most of them. It implies that only "pro-life" women give birth.

[SammyWinstonJack]

21. And you think they would get that?

"It's not a choice it's a zygote" Good luck with that. These people don't think for themselves, as if republican women don't have abortions. :rofl: Are they aware that their Dear Leader paid for his underage girlfriend to have an abortion? Hypocrites! It's a matter of choice, no one is pro abortion, we are pro choice. They don't get that. They advocate throwing women with children off of public assistance, which means they don't give a crap about children once they are born. Like I said, they are hypocrites!

[duhneece]

22. An acorn is not an oak tree; a zygote is not a child nt

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

24. Bad Analogy. Now, After The Acorn Sprouts Undergound (before it reaches

the surface) is it an acorn or a really young oak tree?

[justice1]

27. GOD PERFORMS SPONTANEOUS ABORTIONS

[Kali]

26. What it IS.....

is NONE OF YOUR EFFING BUSINESS!!!

(Unless you are going to raise it yourself)

[OnyxCollie]

41. Damn straight. nt

[titoresque]

28. Choose life, end the war! n/t

[tjwash]

30. Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great...

...if you lose a sperm then god gets quite irate.

[Clark2008]

36. Hooo-boy. My husband is in a heap o' trouble, then!

We're newly-weds, so we regularly lose sperm.

:silly:

[omega minimo]

32. Don't Count Your Chickens Until They're Hatched

:think:

[sendero]

46. It's not a child, it's none of your effing business...

... would make a good bumpersticker.

[Quixote1818]

65. I like that one

nt

[left of center]

47. There is a trucking company, I believe called Covenant

Transport, that has that sticker on the back of all its trucks.

[SPKrazy]

48. Depends Where You Are In The Pregnancy Doesn't It?

Zygote, Blastocyst

all early, early, before most even know they are pregnant.

I don't want abortion outlawed, because it is truly a woman's right to choose, and not mine.

Personally, however, I believe that it is quite difficult to actually to conceive, for the blastocyst to attach to the uterus, and then rough going for the first 12 weeks.

A lot of pregnancies don't make it that far on their own, and many of those spontaneously abort so early on in the life cycle that the mother may never know it.

Given the difficulty of conception through the early weeks for this life to grow (yes life, while it may not be intelligent life, it is life in its early stages.) The stages of gestation actually reflect evolution if you think about it. Going from single cells, to zygotes, to blastocysts, to developing fetus, all could be seen as symbolic of the evolution of life on earth. As the fetus develops it's cells begin to differentiate and become focused on developing neural and organ systems, also reflective of evolutionary progress as organisms become more complicated.

The life cycle beginning with conception through gestation is "miraculous" if you well, at least it is something we can describe, engineer the circumstances to make it happen, but to date have not been able to replicate (meaning creating artificially sperm, or ova) but only to manipulate through IVF, and the procedures that lead to that.

So it is a choice for some, and not a choice for others. I wish that we could get BOTH sides to realize that!

There are some for whom abortion is NOT an option they will consider, and there are some for whom pregnancy is NOT an option they can consider.

Isn't it ultimately up to the woman who is pregnant (Certainly the MOST important person in the situation(, perhaps the man who is the "sperm donor" or father (if he is important to the woman and the relationship) and her own personal beliefs on a spiritual level (ranging from atheism, to whatever they believe) as to what happens to the woman and the "cells" in her body that are growing towards becoming someone.

[rucky]

52. The photos they usually run with the anti-abortion message

is a 2nd or 3rd trimester fetus. Wonder why they feel the need to mislead if their cause is so pure?

[SPKrazy]

70. They Know That They Aren't Winning The Argument

in the popular vote anyway, so they have to make it an argument about something that isn't what the real argument is about (does that make sense?)

Anyway, they want to shock people and mislead people in order to bring them to a state of natural hypnosis where suggestions can be made without critically analyzing them. (Essentially hypnosis is the ability to communicate to the unconscious mind without the critical thinking aspects of higher reasoning being active) Shock, surprise, startle are all ways of achieving this state of mind.

We usually think of hypnosis as being "relaxed", but that is only one method of achieving hypnosis.

People who are traumatized are very easily given suggestions and their critical thinking is often turned off so to speak.

Think of 9/11, traumatizing event for America. Then use it's imagery and power as a national icon of trauma to tie it to whatever suggestion is wanted.

I'm getting off track, but I agree with your original statement.

[REP]

49. I've Seen "If You Can't Trust Me With a Choice, How Can You Trust Me

With a CHILD?" Also seen "Pro Choice And I Vote."

Mine is "Fight For Choice"

[frustrated_lefty]

53. Republicans are pro-choice:

they just want to choose who lives and who dies!

[uppityperson]

54. "Every Sperm is Sacred" keep it simple

[goodboy]

55. I saw one that said "I'm a survivor of the American Holocaust

1 in 4 babies are murdered by abortion every year.

It was some crusty old bitch and her buck-toothed white trash nephews...We gave them the 1 finger salute and mouthed (fuck you asshole) and other assorted niceties at them for a couple of miles.

survivor indeed. these people are living proof the theory of evolution is correct...but darwin never thought the missing link would be pond scum

[Balbus]

57. For two miles you flipped off and yelled curses at an old lady?

Because of a bumper sticker? Wow. :wow:

Edit: Just wondering, if it wasn't an elderly lady, would you have still done the same?

[goodboy]

68. she just looked old. she may have been 40, but years of heavy

smoking and drinkin and playin' bingo 5 cards at a time with hot pink bingo markers had taken it's toll. Add to it the fact that the bumpersticker I mentioned was one of nearly 50 or more including a FreeRepublic and Proud member of the "VRWC" she had schlepped onto her AMerican-made Kia-avanti.

I also left out the part where I pulled in front of her and slowed waaaaay down so she could eat some of my anti-bush stickers foaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiioo

[Roaming]

71. Yeah, that sort of behavior is really going to help her see it

your way. /sarcasm

[trixie]

83. be careful

That they didn't just buy a car with that bumper sticker on it. You'd be surprised how many people don't care what stickers are on their car when they buy it.

[Roaming]

86. Wish I could have been there to dial 911

And turn your butt in. You should be ashamed of yourself you JERK.

[frustrated_lefty]

56. Pro-life, pro-war, pro-death penalty=hypocrisy

[WorseBeforeBetter]

58. The "Abortion is Not a Sin" website...

http://www.postfun.com/pfp/blasphemy.html

ought to make their collective heads explode.

[frustrated_lefty]

59. Your obsession with my gametes is unhealthy: seek help.

[Warren DeMontague]

60. Here's a funny site w/that in mind: "Save the preconceived babies"

And yeah, it's a joke.

http://www.geocities.com/preconceivedbabies/

[Warren DeMontague]

61. Here's one of mine:

http://www.cafepress.com/impeachw.14541328

[WorseBeforeBetter]

64. Oh man, that one is good. I'd be the pariah of my...

new neighborhood, but it's tempting to slap that one on the car.

[Warren DeMontague]

63. "To you it's an issue of JUGGS with stuck together pages...

...To Me It's GENOCIDE!"

[Katherine Brengle]

66. "It's not a conservative, it's a fascist." "It's not me, it's you." n/t

[Swamp Rat]

67. "It's not a child, it's a chud!"

:D

[Warren DeMontague]

69. !!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:patriot:

[ruggerson]

72. MY womb is not YOUR business

n/t

[emdee]

73. How about this one....

Your Cheap TV Purchase Financed a Forced Abortion in China

or

Bush's Debt to China Finances Forced Abortions and Sterilizations
?!?!?!

emdee (just as guilty as anyone else)

[LWolf]

76. It's not a terrorist, it's a child that your vote bombed. n/t

[KittyWampus]

77. It's not a sack of carrot seeds, it's your dinner for the next month

[AzDar]

78. "It's not a child until the ' Bearer' says it's a child......." PERIOD.

[gulliver]

80. Choose Life

That's the formulation I like. It has both choice and life.

If one abortion is bad, then two abortions are worse. Therefore, if a million abortions are bad, then half a million is better. The Dems should focus on abortion rate reduction. There would not be a zero abortion rate even if it were completely illegal.

Notice that Bush does not comment on it either way. He just says code words about "life." The abortion reduction approach is a green field. Dems could use it to reach out to moderately pro-life Republicans. Make it a goal to reduce abortions by 20% in two years. That would put Bush's performance to shame and take the wind out of the sails of abortion prohibitionists.

[trixie]

85. Here is where pro-life freepers are completely wrong

Bush has increased money for both chemical and surgical abortions over 26 million dollars more than Clinton. See HR 3061 for FY signed in 2002 and HR 2673 for FY signed in 2004.

Add that to the critical cuts in food, housing and other programs that support needy families and you have a recipe for abortions for those that can't afford another child that may have kept the child under the Clinton administration.

I am all for choice, I am all for supporting needy families who make the choice to keep a child.

[PA Democrat]

81. My neighbors have that bumper sticker along with about 20 more

"Pro-life", Bush, and Santorum stickers. They just hate abortion, but can't get enough of the slaughter of Bush's wars and the abandonment of the least among us.

My son was friends with one the kids in the family, and it was from this child that my son learned all about abortion at the age of 6. Nice, huh?

They have one particular bumper sticker that states, "You can't be both pro-choice and Christian". During the 2004 election my son made a big sign and placed it in his bedroom window that said, "You can't be both pro-life and pro-war". His friend didn't speak to him for 6 months and the friendship never really recovered.

[Solly Mack]

82. No, it's a woman - that's why it's a choice

Fuck the emphasis of the potential & the might be - put the emphasis where it belongs - on the woman. Her life, her womb, her body, her liberty, her freedom - HER choice.