Danish cartoons: you all know these came out 4-5 months ago

[babylonsister]

in response to a small contest?
Who is fomenting this?

[Terran1212]

1. These riots aren't really about cartoons

There is a lot of suffering and unrest in these places. Do you see comfortable middle class people doing these things?

[Skip Intro]

2. I heard or read that they were a year old - some contest. Its BS!!!!

Its got to be BS.

These riots are NOT about fucking cartoons.

Good God, this nation is crawling with saps.

[babylonsister]

3. I was able to watch CNN Int'l a week ago; international is ALL

about the reaction to these cartoons that were released 4.5-5 months ago. They came from a small paper for a contest, artists were asked to draw their interpretation of Mohammed. Now the world is going mad, and Americans will be the last to know. It was bad a week ago, it's getting worse, people are dying, who's inciting this?

[niyad]

4. there was very little reaction when the cartoons were first published.

this is something that has been "growing like topsy"-- very strange. I don't remember exactly, but there is some connection between the cartoons and some of the neocons (it's hard to keep all the tangled skeins straight)

anybody here remember that link?

[WorseBeforeBetter]

18. Any of these it?

Cartoons and the Neocon/Daniel Pipes and the Danish Editor

http://www.counterpunch.com/sugg02142006.html

Flemming Rose and the Straussian Art of Provocation

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/february2006/080206provocation.htm

Denmark's New Values

http://www.guardian.co.uk/cartoonprotests/story/0,,1709895,00.html

Syria switches to euro amid confrontation with US

http://today.reuters.com/misc/PrinterFriendlyPopup.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyID=uri:2006-02-13T153028Z_01_L13432231_RTRUKOC_0_US-SYRIA-US-FOREX.xml

Euro factor to the Iran ‘crisis’

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=%20CU20060209&articleId=1926

(I threw those last two in as a way to help untangle those skeins - what a mess.)

[niyad]

21. thank you, those were, in fact, the ones I meant.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

22. You're welcome. (n/t)

[Nikki Stone 1]

5. If the cartoons are old, why the violence now?

I am not sure what you are all trying to say here. Confused.

[txindy]

7. I think that's the point. Why the massive unrest now over old news?

Who is pushing that news at this late date and are they pushing it to get just such a reaction from those who are rioting? If someone is deliberately creating unrest, are they intending their own military reaction to it in the guise of being "justified" as "keeping the peace?"

That's what I think this is about, anyway. :shrug:

[Nikki Stone 1]

10. I understand that there is a very delayed reaction here

What I don't understand is the mechanism. Were the cartoons republished recently?

For the record, I think this is political theater and that it's all about Iran and reinforcing the idea of violent Muslims in the West. It's like the fires in France last fall. It's a matter of providing a spark and having a few well placed infiltrators getting the ball rolling. Once it starts, its momentum just builds.

[Brain In Vat]

16. Fundamentalists

It is the religious leaders who are fomenting this to increase their power. It is also the tyrants who want the people to blame foreigners for their troubles.

[txindy]

19. And the fundamentalists went trolling European newspapers for cartoons?

Because they have no other reasons for fomenting, like, say, foreign occupation? :wtf:

[babylonsister]

8. That is the whole point for me. They were drawn

at least 4 months ago in response to a local challenge.
Why the violence? Because someone decided that the cartoons
might set the populace off, so released them and fed the fire.
This has been a calculated successful attempt to start some
culture wars.

[sandnsea]

9. Last September

Printed in Egypt in October. There was some discussions during that time. Then they were suddenly reprinted in Germany I think, in January. Then picked up by a whole bunch of European newspapers after that. This was definitely pushed by somebody.

The riots are being pushed too though.

And nobody seems to be willing to step forward and stop either the "right to print cartoons", or the idiocy of rioting because of cartoons.

[Nikki Stone 1]

13. What was the excuse for reprinting them in Denmark?

There had to be some kind of pretext, yes?

[sandnsea]

14. I don't remember

I did a whole timeline last week-end. At some point it just got to be "freedom of the press" and then the rioting and right to tell the story took off from there.

[Nothing Without Hope]

6. An answer to your question: exactly people who would benefit most - LINK

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x417774
thread title (2-14-06 GD): BFEE Turd Daniel Pipes tied to DANISH CARTOONS
Comment/excerpt: Octafish, the poster, comments: “Gee. In a War on Terra, who benefits the most from an enraged and radicalized Muslim world?” Excerpt from Counterpunch article in the OP: “So, let’s look at the guy who started this whole cartoon escapade. He’s Flemming Rose, the cultural editor of the Danish newspaper. In all of the Lexis-Nexis database of stories from the American media on the Mohammed cartoons, there is absolutely no mention of the fact that Rose is a close confederate of arch-Islamophobe Daniel Pipes. Indeed, there is almost no context at all about Rose’s newspaper. On a brief mention in the Washington Post gave a hint at a fact desperately needed to understand the situation. The Post described the affair as ‘a calculated insult … by a right-wing newspaper in a country where bigotry toward the minority Muslim population is a major, if frequently unacknowledged, problem.’ … Rose came to America to commune with Pipes in 2004, and it was after that meeting the cartoon gambit materialized. “ Reply #8 gives additional documentation of Pipes’ connections: “Pipes is connected to Wurmser which leads us back to the WH”

[Lone_Star_Dem]

11. Very true

First there was a contest to create the cartoons, and then MUCH later they are being fed to the public.

If I were the type to suspect someone was trying to create unrest for a reason, I'd be suspicious right about now.

[Kagemusha]

12. Extremely short version of answer to your question: Saudi Arabia

Sure beats them being the target of frustrated religious Moslems, I tell you.

[babylonsister]

15. Saudi Arabia. Is the blivet feeling the love yet, do you think, or

did this fall into his lap?

[TexasLawyer]

17. UNpublished cartoons

And much of the reaction relates to three extra cartoons that were NEVER published in the Danish paper.

One of them, a guy with a pig face, apparently never had anything to do with Islam, but a group of Imams made a dossier that said that this picture had been published as a depiction of "the true face of Muhammad."


Pig-face - This picture of a French pig-squealing contestant, taken from the imams' dossier, was identified as an old Associated Press picture which made no reference to Islam.

Really intersting additional info at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons

[pocket]

20. Israel & PNAC

they benefit the most