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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 10:44 AM
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NYT NSA source, Tice...The SWIFTBOATING has started! KKKROVE hit-piece
JUST LOOK AT THE TITLE OF THIS ARTICLE! If KKKRove didn't write this, I'll eat my shoe! Last week I posted an editorial written by one of Tice's friends and he painted quite a different picture of Mr. Russell Tice. I'll see if I can find that and post it if I do. Just read this article...KKKRove is at it again.:grr: Anyone know who Jim Kouri is?

NY Times Used Psychotic Paranoid as NSA Spy Story Source?
By Jim Kouri

<snip>
Tice was testifying because he was a National Security Agency intelligence officer who was stripped of his security clearance after he reported his suspicions that a former colleague at the Defense Intelligence Agency was a spy. The matter was dismissed by the DIA, but Tice obsessively kept pushing and was subsequently ordered to take a psychological examination during which he was diagnosed as paranoid. Of course, the leftists and the news media are either saying or insinuating that his dismissal is related to the NSA surveillance program in order to bolster the image of a "brave whistleblower."

But there is more to the story: Tice was diagnosed by the Defense Department with "psychotic" paranoia and fired for apparently violating his security clearance by taking unauthorized peeks into the background of a female Asian employee he thought was a Chinese spy. In fact, Tice was involved in high-tech stalking of the woman. He also displayed racist tendencies.

Another fact, conveniently overlooked by the mainstream news media, is that Russell Tice was a China Analyst for the NSA, which brings up the question of how he knows so much about terrorism in the Middle East. The NSA surveillance program was a counterterrorism program with nothing to do with the communist Chinese.

Tice was one of the New York Times sources for its wiretapping story, but he told the committee the information he provided was not secret and could have been provided by a private sector electronic communications professional. Using his logic, he would have you believe that he possessed a super-secret security clearance that few possess. One source told me that part of his "fantasy" is his belief he's a super-spy -- America's own James Bond.<snip>

http://www.axcessnews.com/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=8212

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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 10:51 AM
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1. Swiftboating is now the norm in American politics.
Since many in the the viewing/listening public seem content with having pure crap spoon fed to them (no thinking required) I fear this is the way things are going to be.

The Bushies don`t give a damn who they slice to bits as long as the end results favor them. Bullying is now a behavior to be lauded. It`s nasty out there.
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bluemarkers Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 10:51 AM
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2. slowly we are waking up
or at least I hope so. Pieces such as this (and I don't think this is the first on Tice) will become less and less believable as the lies are revealed.

(little miss sunshine I am)

love your Cav, btw
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 10:52 AM
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3. Jim Kouri
the right's answer to...well various kooks who write stories that have no evidence, just speculation and emotion-laden hyperbole to enflame their fanbase.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 01:32 PM
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8. Kouri is a hack for ERW New Media Alliance and AXcess News
Edited on Sat Feb-18-06 01:34 PM by leveymg
He's part of what appears to be a big corporate sponsored Right Wing media operation that spans two coasts, more than 60 websites, an on-campus organizing operation, a financial services company, a non-profit 501(c)(3) organization, a PR group, and one very busy financial huckster in Reno, Nevada touting a new-media business model dot-com that shares advertising revenues from corporate giants Ameritrade, SBC Corp, and Circuit City out to conservative pundits across the United States and Canada.

This is Reverend Moon meets the Bulldog.

Here's another "news" article by Kouri from the same site that carries content from Axcess News.

Activist Judge Turning Over Top Secret NSA Files to Leftists

By Jim Kouri

(AXcess News) New York - On Thursday, a federal judge decided that Americans' safety and security takes a back-seat to a left-wing groups' right to view and promulgate top secret National Security Agency documents relating to the terrorism surveillance program. In this case, one of the left-wing groups has direct ties to Senator Patrick Leahy (D-VT), who was forced to step down from his perch on the Senate Intelligence Committee in 1987 over allegations he leaked classified information to news reporters.


Take a look at the advertisers at the site: Corporate GOP Campaign Biggies - Ameritrade, SBC, Circuit City. The site also gives you a TribalFuision Cookie, so run your Spyware washer afterwards if you must go there yourself.

He's also at: http://www.mensnewsdaily.com/

and has his own site: Website (if any): http://jimkouri.us/

Biography: Jim Kouri, CPP is currently fifth vice-president of the National Association of Chiefs of Police. He's former chief at a New York City housing project in Washington Heights nicknamed "Crack City" by reporters covering the drug war in the 1980s. In addition, he served as director of public safety at a New Jersey university. He's also served on the National Drug Task Force and trained police and security officers throughout the country. He writes for many police and crime magazines including Chief of Police, Police Times, The Narc Officer, Campus Law Enforcement Journal, and others. He's appeared as on-air commentator for over 100 TV and radio news and talk shows including Oprah, McLaughlin Report, CNN Headline News, MTV, Fox News, etc. His book Assume The Position is available at Amazon.Com, Booksamillion.com, and can be ordered at local bookstores. Kouri holds a bachelor of science in criminal justice and master of arts in public administration and he's a board certified protection professional. He is a Staff writer for the New Media Alliance, Inc.

New Media Alliance: http://www.thenma.org/about.htm
About the New Media Alliance


The New Media Alliance, Inc. is a conservative issue advocacy and information group established to promote and defend conservative social, political and economic principles nationally. We are a non-partisan, nonprofit, tax-exempt educational foundation under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Codes.

Our work is achieved primarily through the origination, coordination and distribution of commentary, analysis, news and research tools via the public Internet and other media channels. The efforts we progress are intended to promote awareness and educate all Americans to the impact of government, educational and traditional media policies and agendas, that have become increasingly repressive and partisan. Our mission is, therefore, to help sustain America’s most basic and cherished freedoms by aggressively empowering conservative thought and perspective.

As guiding principles the New Media Alliance, Inc. will promote and support initiatives that adhere to, defend and strengthen the main tenets of the U.S. Constitution. Specifically:

1.) A strong defense of the United States from all enemies foreign and domestic

2.) Individual, religious and economic freedom best preserved through free markets, limited government, separation of powers and uncorrupted checks and balances

3.) Justice and equal treatment for all Americans

4.) High moral standards necessary for the ongoing strength and mission of The United States

The New Media Alliance, Inc. is currently funded by contributions made by its parent company, Heritage New-Media Partners, Inc., and by the gracious gifting of the Alliance members and sponsors who share this renewed vision for America and wish to support us in the ongoing fight for American freedom.


Heritage New-Media Partners, Inc.: http://www.heritagenewmedia.com/
sales@heritagenewmedia.com


Heritage New Media Partners, Inc. is media company dedicated to improving the ability of people and organizations to successfully get their message out primarily via the non-traditional media.

Through our companies, services, partnerships and publications, we successfully integrate our network of resources within the new-media, such as blogs, ezines, writers and activists with established issue based organizations and traditional media outlets.

Heritage New Media Partners, Inc.
P.O. Box 375
Shelton, CT 06484
Tel: +1 203 446 9045


Also operates: RealityCheck with its own set of media and campus offshoots
http://www.therealitycheck.org/


TheRealityCheck.org is the premier on-line magazine of Heritage New Media Partners, Inc.

Since its first publication back in November of 2002, TheRealityCheck.org has established itself as one of the fastest growing and important new conservative voices on the web having achieved hits in excess of 2.25 million per month and has been listed by Alexa, a top web-site ranking service, as the number six (6) most popular conservative political site on the web.

Furthermore, all articles and news published in the ezine are included in TheRealityCheck.org's "Pundit Wire" ... RSS feed. This immediately permits various web sites, ezines and blogs to effortlessly include TRC headlines and commentary to their sites and significantly expands the reach and distribution of articles TheRealityCheck.org chooses to publish.

The ezine is updated daily, throughout the day with news and articles submitted by some of the nation's top grass-roots conservative opinion leaders.

Our Contact Information

Related Links

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The Reality Check On Campus



I think we've found ourselves another Bulldog, backed by and another set of Roveans. New Media Alliance content is carried by AXcess News.


About AXcess News info@axcessnews.com
Copyright owned by: NetAct America, Inc.
There is no SEC filing for this entity (not a part of Axcess Int'l)
previously dba and URL: AXcess News (www.theaxcess.net)
CONTACT INFO:
Eric Stevenson
Editor
AXcess News
Reno Nevada USA
775-826-4547
eric@axcessnews.com
http://www.axcessnews.com


From its website
http://www.axcessnews.com/modules/wfsection/article.php?articleid=16

AXcess News is a network of news sites designed to give readers free local access to news and information from major metropolitan areas.

AXcess News first began publishing online in August 2002. Since then, its grown into a news network with 92 major cities now online and syndicated headlines that reach over 3,000,000 viewers daily. AXcess News is now one of the largest online publishers of daily news in North America today.


From ArriveNet, a trade organization serving internet media: http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:iLWWat52cz0J:press.arrivenet.com/profile.php/Company/1540.html+Axcess+News&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=5

CONTACT INFORMATION:


Website: www.axcessnews.com
Address: P.O. Box 61061
Reno, Nevada 89506
Email Address: eric@axcessnews.com
Phone: 775-826-4547
Fax: 775-826-4547

SUMMARY:


Online news network publishing broad news daily; AXcess News owns and operates a network of news sites in 92 major market cities across the United States. It is the largest privately held news syndicate online in the USA with Distribution Partnerships in Canada through Source Press and in the UK through EU News Networks, our news is read in 230 major cities daily. We specialize in offering online news campaigns to brand companies and their products. Our audience reach exceeds three million readers. If your a public relations firm, please contact us to discuss our branding campaigns.

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Sunday Nov 06, 2005
Online News Publisher to Join The Open Content Alliance

Online News Publisher to Join The Open Content Alliance
AXcess News to become first online news publisher to open its vast archive of news articles to the public through the Open Content Alliance. Other news org.'s balk at free online access.
Distribution Source : ArriveNet

Date : Sunday, November 06, 2005


Reno, Nevada -- (ArriveNet - Nov 06, 2005) -- Sunday, AXcess News petitioned the Open Content Alliance to join the nonprofit organization and offer its vast archive of news articles to help build a permanent archive of multilingual digitized text and multimedia content from around the world.

The Open Content Alliance (OCA) represents the collaborative efforts of a group of cultural, technology, nonprofit, and governmental organizations from around the world that will help build a permanent archive of multilingual digitized text and multimedia content. The OCA was conceived by the Internet Archive and Yahoo! in early 2005 as a way to offer broad, public access to a rich panorama of world culture.

AXcess News is the largest closely held electronic publisher of broad news online in the nation with 92 cities in its network.



"We believe the Open Content Alliance is one of the best cooperative efforts to truly adhere to what the World Wide Web is all about - free access to information globally," said Eric Stevenson, AXcess News editor.

Stevenson noted that many news organizations use their archives as a profit center, charging users access to that information, which he believes is to "old school".

"If you are going to put your news online then you shouldn't be forcing readers to sign up for unwanted email just to read that content and worse, charge them to access your archives," said Stevenson. "The Open Content Alliance is the future of the web at its purest and AXcess News in its offer to join and contribute is trying to do its part to expand information and knowledge to everyone. We challenge old-school print news organizations to do the same and support the development of the OCA."

Contact:
Eric Stevenson
Editor
AXcess News
Reno Nevada USA
775-826-4547
eric@axcessnews.com
http://www.axcessnews.com



WIKEPEDIA describes the history of Axcees News: AXcess News started out as an online newsletter for a financial service and slowly evolved its publishing format but retained its financial market content.

By 2002 it had evolved into a news web publisher though still covering financial markets. During 2003 it expanded its news coverage to include the broad news topics it publishes today. In late 2003 it began developing its network approach to online news, adding the first 25 city news sites.

In 2004 the network of city news sites had expanded to 92 and AXcess News started syndicating online news for a Canadian online news network. A second online news network was also in development in the UK, and AXcess News then entered into reciprocating agreements to syndicate online news between both organizations.

As of 2005, AXcess News is preparing to join both the Canadian and United Kingdom based online publishing organizations in forming one global network, each publisher maintaining its own identity, yet all three cooperating to provide readers everywhere with high quality news as it breaks from across the 230 cities they serve.

Here a puff bio about Eric Stevenson: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2002/5/prweb39497.htm

Eric Stevenson Becomes Featured Columnist for BizWiz.com

Financial pundit, Eric Stevenson, becomes featured columnist for BizWiz.com


Phoenix, AZ (PRWeb.Com) - May 2002. Eric Stevenson, long recognized by the financial news media as one of America's leading financial guru's, began writing a regular column for bizwiz.com, one of America's leading on-line business portals.

Eric agreed to become a featured columnist for BizWiz.com in late April, sighting the need to offer the business community access to financial news without spin.

Considered a pundit by the financial news media, Stevenson has given interviews to the Wall Street Journal, Dow Jones and others on his views towards some of the more controversal merger and acquisitions that took place on Wall Street, such as the Compaq/HP merger.

More recently he has begun to speak out against some of the major Telco's, such as Qwest and Worldcom, sighting their huge debt loads and risks associated with owning those companies shares.

"Its my view that the financial community needs to be more responsible on its reporting to the media. Especially in the wake of the witch hunt Wall Street analysts have been facing lately from the SEC." Said Stevenson.

"I am going to write what I believe the business community and investors need to read, not what sells ad copy. BizWiz is well respected and I think they offer real information people need and want. That's why I agreed to become a featured columnist." Stevenson said.

About Eric Stevenson
Eric is one the leading management analysts in the United States and a recognized economist with the American Economic Association. He is editor of theaxcess.net, a pioneer in on-line financial newsletters and founding President of Axiom Capital Corporation. (www.axiomcapital.net)


Stevenson has developed his financial info wire reporting service into an ERW web-based news network which he rents to swiftboaters, like Kouri. Here's his call for content providers ("beta testers"), who are paid a portion of the revenues gained from his big corporate advertisers at his news site: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/8/prweb277822.htm

Call For Writers - News Org Beta Tests New Network

AXcess News is opening its network to writers in a beta test of its new system. The top writers will get a chance to join a news co-op and share in its royalties.

Reno, NV (PRWEB) August 29, 2005 -- Few writers get the chance to make it in the news trade, that's why AXcess News has opened its network to writers across all topics. In testing its new system, AXcess News has decided to accept stories for display across one of the largest online news networks in the USA."We decided to give writers a chance while we beta test our new web platform," said Eric Stevenson, Editor-in-chief AXcess News.

AXcess News is accepting stories in technology, business, environmental, health, world, national, entertainment and sports topics.Those writers whose stories show the most reader interest will be invited to join a pure web news co-op being launched later this year. The co-op was formed through a partnership of three online news networks in the USA, CA and UK that displays stories instantly in 230 major metro markets. Co-op members will receive a 20% royalty on all stories they submit.

Stevenson went on to say, "Web publishers are given the 'cold shoulder' by news organizations that refuse to accept them. Even smaller newspapers are fed up with them and the ever-increasing costs of that news. "They'll 'sell you news', but you're not good enough to submit your stories - unless your a newspaper and even then the larger syndicates dominate it. "That's why three online publishers got together and agreed to form a news cooperative for small newspapers and web publishers where they share their content - and its revenue.

Here's your chance to become part of the first web-based global news organization that's opening its membership ranks to columnists and journalists worldwide who believe news should not be controlled by a handful of newspaper syndicates.To submit your stories for the beta test, go to http://www.axcessnews.com/ and use the Contact Us form. Stories should be written in English. No foreign language submissions will be accepted. Columnists and newsletter publishers are encouraged to participate. Articles should be limited to no more than 500 words.


Meanwhile, Stevenson still operates his financial services company, Axiom Capital. This from a site in China, WunZhang, which is associated with Axiom Capital Corporation. This site hosts a vanity puff piece that describes itself as part of "PRWeb": http://www.wunzhang.com/firm/prf868.htm

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We can prepare press releases, research reports, fact-sheets and stock broker communications. Custom investor relations and public relations campaigns are developed for business resources using Standard & Poor's financial resources information. Established in 1992, we are the only corporate development organization in the United States recognized by Standard & Poor's.

Axiom works with international magazines, newspapers and wire services to promote business for our clients. We can write articles, submit them directly to editors desks and design advertising programs within budgets. We can design business marketing and sales strategies for information technology use and we also have strategic alliances with international telemarketing call centers and newsletter publication and management, both electronically and in print form. We're specialists in business development, so we understand how organize business strategies that can work. Please contact us to discuss your business plan.

When contacting our company, please mention that you found us on PR WEB™.

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CLIENT PRESS RELEASES ON PR WEB™

Online News Publisher to Join The Open Content Alliance
Are Shoppers Safe Online?
Call For Writers - News Org Beta Tests New Network
Wall Street Columnist Goes Against Analysts on Diamond Offshore
AXcess News Controversial Editorial Column Syndicated Worldwide – dubbed a “voice for the common man”

SNIP


In addition to the Axcess News and its partners, there's a PR outfit that's promoting Stevenson's financial services company and his role as a "voice of the common man." It lauds AXcess for its "unbiased news reports." Here's one of PRNet press releases, "Wall Street Columnist . . ." http://www.prweb.com/releases/2002/11/prweb50708.htm

AXcess News Controversial Editorial Column Syndicated Worldwide – dubbed a “voice for the common man”


AXcess News, an online business and financial news portal has added a new editorial column, dubbed the "voice of the common man". The controversial column provides interviews with grass roots organizations, third parties and related subject matter links for viewers. The column is being syndicated through the Independent Media Organization for worldwide use free of charge!


CARSON CITY NEV - Nov 18, 2002 (Prweb.com) - AXcess News, an online financial news web site that offers viewers unbiased reporting on current business and stock market issues, has been adding columnists to its score of staff journalists who write exclusively for this news organization.Today, AXcess News has added a new editorial column whose focus is aimed towards controversial subjects.

Inside Commentary can be found at http://www.theaxcess.net/. Its first article is an interview with Ian Park, founder of a grass roots organization to reform penny stock rules dubbed “Project Penny”. The article quotes a congressman, the chairman of the Pink Sheets and an attorney who served as senior member of the Securities and Exchange Commission’s enforcement division.“Inside Commentary is a voice for the common man,” said Eric Stevenson, Editor, AXcess News. While not touted as a political platform for reformists, many grass roots organizations have newsworthy stories that need to be told. Inside Commentary does just that.

AXcess News is including interviews in each of its editorial columns with newsworthy grass roots organizers. Third parties are sought for their perspective and views on these controversial subjects. The editorial staff supports those articles by including interesting links to related websites based on unbiased keyword searches on the Internet. Viewers are provided access to websites and email addresses in order to directly reach out to those organizations being interviewed. AXcess News encourages its readers to communicate with those organizations and offer their own experiences or interests in their cause.

About AXcess News
AXcess News was formed to provide investors in particular, access to unbiased news reports on current business issues of interest. The news portal boasts its own staff of journalists and carries unique financial columns offering exclusive interviews with public company executives affected by current stock market issues. Its own version of stock picks comes from the independent thinking of its staff reporters who spot current trends in the market and go after companies often too small for Wall Street to notice. That trend has produced success for AXcess News in that none of these stock picks or interviews was paid advertisements. The editorial staff believes that unbiased reporting produces subscriber loyalty and is offering its on-line memberships free of charge. ABN provides its members weekly news alerts, outlining the latest stories being posted to the website and covers those stocks it follows as well.

For further information contact:

AXcess News
Eric Stevenson, Editor
e-mail protected from spam bots
Ph: 775.882.1720
http://www.theaxcess.net


What can I say, except here's fodder for many hours of further research. Please, be my guest, and follow this one as far as it goes. Like the Bulldog in the White House Press Corps story, I bet it leads to a fascinating cast of characters in the Extreme Right Wing.



















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dusmcj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 11:09 AM
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4. VP of chiefs of police assn, former NYPD narc
see http://www.jimkouri.us and search for "kouri AND jim OR JAMES", good stuff appears.

Big on "psychological profiling" to fight terror.

So let's profile him. Veteran of the crack wars in NYC in the 1980s, from the NY environment, which suggests that he will prioritize application of power over ethics, seems fairly firmly in the corner of the LAPD "we have the power" style of law enforcement. His personal website has a big anti-UN symbol on it, along with links to the usual suspects among fringe right-wing ranters.

Executive summary: RW fringe hack, ignorable. Too bad he's in a position of social influence.
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 11:29 AM
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5. Actually, I think Rove could write better than that
very poorly written -- high school quality, at best, with a real gossipy tone to it, but alas, nothing like a sophisticated gossip column. Yuck.
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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 02:54 PM
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14. Oh, I don't know. He is a college dropout, after all.
He had "other priorities" like smearing candidates in elections, but I imagine he wasn't a bookworm, anyway. He'd probably rather pay someone to write well than bother with it, himself.
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dusmcj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 11:41 AM
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6. insight into their culture
the below made the rounds of gun boards, most of which are neutral to mildly anti-law enforcement (the Waco & Ruby Ridge memorializing extremists aren't evident anymore, but the understanding of past police (e.g. LAPD) & ATF excesses WRT gun law enforcement and assertion of government control still is there) and caused great amusement because: the fellow pictured is a member of NYPD's "Hercules" squad, who are decked out as homegrown special ops forces to take down terrorists and major criminals. All good, more power to them, I hope them come home safe every day. The problem is, the rather expensive telescopic sight on his rifle is mounted backwards. Were he to use it, it would shine a small red dot of light into his eye. Now, you may say, just another photo op organized by flacks, what do you expect. But since the gentleman is a serving member of the tip of NYPD's spear, and since NYPD was trying to demonstrate their prowess and readiness to keep the sheeple, I mean public, under control, I mean safe, there is the suggestion that there are some problems with the underlying culture in this age of the WOT. Like the usual suspects have found a great excuse to create their usual boys' dicksize comparing club, and "safety from terror" works out to nothing more than that. This would confirm stereotypes of law enforcement as being peopled by males with a history of abuse from their parents and significant inadequacy complexes which they appease by abusing authority conveyed on them by their badge. We know those stereotypes are incorrect, but people like Mr. Kouri support, rather than undermine, them.

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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 12:18 PM
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7. That's how they protect themselves.
If the truth is so outrageous that anyone who starts talking is diagnosed with psychotic paranoia, then they can get away with anything.
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 01:34 PM
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9. Disgusting
Here we go again.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 02:37 PM
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10. I was thinking of posting the exact same thing this morning
Edited on Sat Feb-18-06 02:41 PM by calipendence
After seeing the tons of "news" hits from Kouri's article this morning on a google search of Russell Tice! How the swiftboating is on for Tice! What is with these fascists! Do they really believe there is room for all of them to "have their way" in this move towards dictatorship that they seem to be blessing in the course of destroying any obstacles towards it?

Damn! My hats off to folks like Russell Tice and Sibel Edmonds, that can endure this kind of abuse and keep fighting for our country's principles!

Heck, I was just thinking that Google should offer a means to have sites that you can "black list" in your searches so that you don't get you searches cluttered with CRAP like his article when trying to find meaningful articles on folks like Tice. Maybe an option you can turn on or off when doing searches so that you can see when the looney bin is doing their swiftboating, but you can also do some honest research without wading through B.S.!
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 02:40 PM
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11. Everyone should see this video:
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Ksec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 02:44 PM
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12. So now that we know their game,
What are we going to do about it?
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 02:48 PM
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13. K&R!! - We are in a WAR people n/t
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