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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 04:03 PM
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Scalia Isn’t a Strict Constructionist–He’s Just a Hypocrite and a Disgrace
Antonin Scalia’s notorious speech to the Federalist Society earlier this week was a model of arrogance and hypocrisy, as he said that anyone who “believes the Constitution would break if it didn't change with society” are "idiots", and then went on to say that in his judicial philosophy “there can be no room for personal, political or religious beliefs.” In other words, he is saying that anyone who doesn’t share his “strict constructionist” view of the Constitution is an idiot.

For the sake of argument let’s agree with him for a moment that a strict constructionist view of the Constitution is the best or the only intelligent view, and that anyone who doesn’t agree with that (such as myself and almost all other DUers) is an idiot. Well then, he just called himself an idiot, because Scalia is not a “strict constructionist” at all, but rather simply a right wing ideologue whose decisions almost always favor the rich and the powerful against the common people, and frequently have little or nothing to do with the Constitution. The fact that he uses a strict constructionist argument to justify his right wing ideological decisions when it fits his purposes does not make him a strict constructionist.


Scalia’s decisions often have nothing to do with strict constructionist judicial philosophy

As Cass Sunstein explains in “Radicals in Robes”, strict constructionism is a judicial philosophy that says that judges should make their decisions based on a literal interpretation of what the Constitution says, or if that’s not perfectly clear then it should be based on what the writers of the Constitution (or its amendments) had in mind when they wrote it, and if that’s not perfectly clear then it should be based on historical precedence (even if more recent precedence contradicts the earlier precedence).

If one accepts that view, then it can be used (and is used) to justify such views as that the Constitution provides no right to privacy nor right to marriage for same sex couples. As Scalia says about the right to privacy, “There is no right to ‘liberty’ under the Due Process Clause… The Fourteenth Amendment expressly allows states to deprive their citizens of ‘liberty,’ so long as ‘due process of law’ is provided. And with regard to gay marriage, strict constructionism merely says that traditionally it has not been accepted in this country, and therefore it should never be made legal. So let’s say that we agree with that :eyes:. Then how does Scalia justify the following:

Affirmative action
Scalia consistently votes to strike down affirmative action programs without consideration of the original understanding of the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Yet, an historical reading of history clearly suggests that affirmative action programs were intended to be legitimate by those who wrote the Fourteenth Amendment. The Fourteenth Amendment was written by Congress shortly after the end of the Civil War. That particular Congress was determined to enact laws that would protect the freed slaves, in the full knowledge that those newly freed slaves were badly in need of protection. Thus was The Freedman’s Bureau created to provide special benefits and assistance for the newly freed slaves.

Freedom of speech
In order to protect the right of the wealthy to have disproportionate influence in elections, Scalia uses the First amendment’s freedom of speech provision by claiming that money is speech. Strict constructionists are supposed to hate that kind of extrapolation. The provision for free speech in the First Amendment was meant mainly to ensure that citizens would be free to criticize their government without fear of punishment. But I guess that if you say enough times that “money is speech” it will become true, right? Here is a touching lament by Scalia for the poor corporations that might lose some of their influence if their money – I mean speech – isn’t protected:

The incremental benefit obtained by muzzling corporate speech is more than offset by loss of the information and persuasion that corporate speech can contain.


Delegation of law making to regulatory agencies
Our Constitution says that Congress will enact laws. Congress has delegated some of that responsibility to the Executive Branch, in particular with its creation of regulatory agencies that are designed to carry out the broad mandates of Congress, but which are delegated by Congress to write regulations in pursuit of Congress’ mandated goals. But Scalia doesn’t like regulatory agencies because they can interfere with the profits of wealthy persons and corporations. So, he says that it is unconstitutional for Congress to delegate these functions, as in this article, where he argues against FDA’s right to regulate the tobacco industry. Yet even the very first Congress gave the Executive Branch the authority to grant military pensions.

Sunstein brings up many other examples in his book, such as the effort of Scalia and his cohorts to grant the President unlimited powers to do as he pleases in the interest of “National Security”, even though many of those functions are given to Congress by our Constitution. And Sunstein’s summary of Scalia and his ilk is given here:

Mr Sunstein shows that fundamentalists have been wildly inconsistent in applying constitutional history, referring to it only when it fits their policy goals. Too often, he says, their interpretation neatly fits only the agenda of the extreme edges of the Republican Party's right wing rather than any reasonable view of history.



“There can be no room for personal, political or religious beliefs” says Scalia – as in the Bush v. Gore case

Talking about idiots – How would you describe a person who believed that had the tables been turned in the 2000 Florida Election (i.e., if Bush was the one who wanted the votes to be counted) that Scalia would have stopped the vote count, thereby making Gore President? :rofl: Would such a person be classified as a moron? I couldn’t say, because I can’t even imagine such a person.

The decision to temporarily and then permanently stop the vote count in the 2000 Florida Election, which was the decision that selected George W. Bush as our President, was led by Scalia and joined by four other “Supreme Court Justices” as co-conspirators. As Vincent Bugliosi put it in “None Dare Call it Treason”:

These five Justices are criminals in every true sense of the word, and in a fair and just world belong behind prison bars as much as any American white collar criminal who ever lived.

Bugliosi is no liberal. In fact, he was one of the main voices arguing against the impeachment of Richard Nixon in the 1970s. But he makes an airtight case that the decision in Bush v. Gore had no basis in constitutional law, was without question motivated solely by political reasons, and that therefore the five justices who participated in that decision should be charged with and convicted of treason for stealing a Presidential election. He gives several reasons for his conclusion. First, with regard to Scalia’s initial decision to stop the vote count:

Justice Scalia, in trying to justify the Court’s shutting down of the vote counting, wrote, unbelievably, that counting these votes would ‘threaten irreparable harm to petitioner (Bush)… by casting a cloud upon what he claims to be the legitimacy of his election’. In other words, although the election had not yet been decided, the absolutely incredible Scalia was presupposing that Bush had won the election – indeed, had a right to win it – and any recount that showed Gore got more votes in Florida than Bush could ‘cloud’ Bush’s presidency.

With regard to Scalia’s use of the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to justify his actions, Bugliosi has this to say:

The proof that the Court itself knew its equal protection argument had no merit whatsoever is that when Bush first asked the Court, on 11-22, to consider three objections of his to the earlier, more limited Florida recount taking place, the Court only denied review on his third objection… equal protection.

In other words, the court had ruled just a few days earlier that they wouldn’t even consider that argument. But time was running out, and if they didn’t act soon Gore might be elected President.

Bugliosi also makes other arguments in support of his contention, including the fact that Scalia and his right wing cohorts are notoriously rigid in their defense of “states’ rights” when it suits their purpose, but in this case they over-ruled a state court (the Florida Supreme Court) that clearly had jurisdiction in this case.

And finally, I will refer to an article – Lest We Forget – that my son submitted to DU almost five years ago, with some help from me, which made some additional points on this matter (which Bugliosi also made). First, with regard to the use of the Equal Protection Clause:

It did not make sense to say that differences in standards for counting ballots meant unequal protection under the amendment. By this reasoning, the whole election, in all 50 states would have to be ruled unconstitutional, since there were a myriad of voting methods in all states. Furthermore, given the differences in voting methods in Florida, and that the purpose of hand counting the ballots was to remedy the unfairness that resulted from this, how could the U.S. Court decide that this was unconstitutional?...
Another issue with regard to this decision is that the Justices took it upon themselves to decide what the deadline date for counting the ballots would be. There was no reason that they couldn't have allowed it to go until the 18th, as provided for in our Constitution. The only problem would have been that if the electors were not chosen before the 12th, that meant that they could be challenged by Congress. It seems to me that that would be a decision that the Florida Supreme Court should rightfully make. But no, these scumbags knew whom they wanted to win this election, and they weren't going to allow for any loopholes.
Then, to pile hypocrisy upon hypocrisy, they said that they wanted to make it clear that this decision of theirs applied only to this one very specific case and should not be taken to set a precedent.

As one of the four dissenting judges, John Paul Stevens, said of this case:

We will never know for sure who really won this election (He was wrong about that one – We do know, and it was Gore). But it is evident who the losers are - the American people, who have thus been given reason to lose all confidence in the judge as the arbiter of justice in our system of government.

I think that that is about as close as a Supreme Court Justice ever came to publicly calling one or more of his colleagues a hypocrite and a disgrace to the US Supreme Court.

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rwenos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 04:07 PM
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1. Anyone who's read Bush v. Gore
. . . .knows Scalia is a hypocritical jackass. The justice who doesn't believe in the Equal Protection claus of the 14th Amendment using it to elect Bushie president.

Justice Scalia has been narcotized by Justice Thomas' fell a show.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 05:41 PM
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5. Yes, Bush v. Gore may be the most hypocritical USSC decision ever
Scalia, Thomas, and Rehnquist have always been against the equal protection clause whenever used to provide protection to those whom the clause was intended for.

That's why when they used it to Select Bush as President they made sure to make it absolutely clear that their decision should never be used as a precedent for another case.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 02:55 PM
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28. It is the precedent matter that troubles me the most
Don't get me wrong, I believe that Gore v. Bush should never even have been heard by the Supreme Court, and their conclusions were ludicrous on their face. But the fact that this decision was instrumental in determining who the President was going to end up, but is expressly disallowed from being used as precedent in any later cases, seems fundamentsally in conflict with the whole purpose of how our court system is supposed to operate. How can we accept the legitimacy of a court decision if the court itself won't even use it as precedent?
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 03:54 PM
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40. That's exactly the point
The fact that they said that it shouldn't be used as a precedent (which I believe is the only time that has happened in the history of the USSC) is just one more big piece of evidence that their decision had nothing to do with their interpretation of the Constitution.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 04:07 PM
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2. Of course. There's no section in the constitution authorizing the DEA to
bust pot smoking cancer grannies.. No, "States rights" only apply to things like abortion-- not to things like medical marijuana or assisted suicide.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 06:45 PM
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6. I've wondered about that
How do they get away with that stuff? On what legal constitutional basis do courts support a federal law that over-rules a state law that allows medical marijuana or assisted suicide?

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 08:45 PM
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8. The legal constitutional basis is that they pick and choose
when to apply various principles... i.e., they "legislate from the bench".

I mean, I guess I'm no constitutional scholar, but I would think that the bill of rights (particularly the fourth amendment) would render most of the "Drug war" unconstitutional- and I can't imagine the folks who wrote the constitution -on hemp paper, no less- ever envisioned a massive, $40 Billion-a-year and growing Federal gov't apparatus claiming the right to complete and utter control over citizens' minds, bodies, and bloodstreams.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 08:58 PM
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9. I don't understand the legal basis for it, but
I think I understand the motivation and how they get away with it.

Since it's selectively enforced, it's just one more way to keep Democrates out of the voting booth.

And many or most Democratic politicians go along with it because they feel that they need to in order to enhance their electability by showing that they're tough on crime.

They'are able to get away with it because most people don't have a clue as to what it's all about.

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 09:05 PM
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11. "tough on crime" is the whole ball of wax..particularly with an electorate
that isn't paying attention. Pretty much any draconian "law enforcement" measure is certain to pass, because woe to the one lawmaker who votes against it- it's like voting against the flag, or against puppies, and it fits neatly into a 30 second sound bite: "Congressman Froog voted to let criminals roam our streets. Why does Congressman Froog love criminals so much?"

And what you end up with is the situation we have now, where the $40 Billion we spend a year on the "drug war" mostly goes towards fighting pot smoking, and rapists and murderers have to be let out of prison early to make cell space for mandatory minimum non-violent drug offenders.

It's royally fucked up.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 10:56 PM
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13. Yeah, it's really sick IMO
Here's a DU poll that I posted several months ago, on the reasons for the "War on Drugs".

There were a lot of interesting comments:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2098335
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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 02:55 PM
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29. Scalia also voted to overturn Oregon's assisted suicide law
He only supports the "states' rights" to arrest gays and ban abortion.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 03:27 PM
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31. Do you know on what presumed constitutional basis he voted for that?
And did he have a majority?
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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 03:32 PM
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33. The ruling was 6-3, with Scalia, Thomas and Roberts in the minority
I think he argued that the drugs used for assisted suicide could interfere with federal commerce, and the feds were entitled under the Constitution's inter-state commerce clause to regulte them. I'm not making this up.

It's Gonzales vs. Oregon. Scalia's wacky dissent is beneath Kennedy's decision (that's a cool pun).

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/05slipopinion.html
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 03:36 PM
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35. That's absolutely amazing
God, I hope he gets impeached! He deserves it almost as much as Bush and Cheney.
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unschooler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 03:42 PM
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38. In a nutshell he argued FOR the federal powers he usually says don't exist
States only have the right to do what the Pope and Justice Scalia say they can do.:grr:
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 04:18 PM
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3. "Constructionism" is a myth
There is no "objective interpretation" of the Constitution, and their never can be.

I'll give them some credit when the so-called "constructionists" take half a moment to interpret FISA "constructively" or "by the letter"--and conclude the president belongs in prison.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 10:01 PM
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12. Well, these are the people who put him in the White House, so
it's very unlikely that they would conclude that he belongs in prison, no matter what he does.

In fact, if he declared our country a military dictatorship tomorrow, they'd probably think that was just fine.
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bballny Donating Member (456 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 04:27 PM
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4. Scalia's brain died many years ago
He probably was once a brilliant man but once you think that anyone who doesn't see the world the same way that you see the world for all intents and purposes you as a being have died.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 04:18 AM
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15. His whole life is a lie
That must be very stressful to live with. I think that's what happened to Reagan, and that's what caused him to lose his mind.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:48 PM
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43. not dead, just living in the gutter. Total crack whore "intellectual". nt
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DemGirl7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 07:39 PM
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7. Ummm...that's not new news that Scalia is a hypocrite
Anyone who has ever studied any bit of constitutionallaw knows that Scalia is full of shit and a is hypocrite. And by the way, I'm fine in being called a "idiot" by Scalia, as long as he's fine being called a "shithead" by me.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 12:26 AM
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14. No, it's not new news at all
Not to us, but most Americans don't realize I'll bet.

If it wasn't clear prior to Scalia's stopping the vote counting during the 2000 Florida election, that should have made it clear beyond any doubt, especially considering the reasons given for his actions.

But when he makes speeches like that, and considering how little attention his gross hypocrisy gets from the corporate media, I think it's worth while to write down how we make the case that his "judicial philosophy" is no philosophy at all, but simply a ploy to keep his friends in power.

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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-18-06 09:05 PM
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10. So when can I get my Stinger missiles?
I have a right to keep and bear arms, right? Not my fault the Founding Fathers didn't anticipate shoulder fired guided missiles.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 02:38 PM
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27. If Scalia and his friends want you to have one
they'll make sure that you have that right.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:26 AM
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16. k & r There are no laws or rules
against assholes being allowed on the Supreme Court. The court certainly in the past upheld - on numerous occassions - the ownership of other human beings as property. I'm sure Scalia is nostalgic for those days.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 10:13 AM
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22. Thank you -- While there are no laws against being assholes
the Supreme Court Justices have sworn to uphold the Constitution.

Bugliosi makes a very good case IMO for saying that all 5 justices in the Bush v. Gore decision should be tried and convicted of treason, because they not only utterly failed to uphold the Constitution, but they purposely violated it for their own political reasons, and he believes that the evidence for that is solid, since there is no possible valid legal reason for the decision. I agree with him.

But if not tried for treason, they certainly ought to be impeached -- except for Rehnquiest because he's dead, and O'Connor because she's retired.

But no, I take that back -- they should be impeached retroactively. :grr:
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:17 AM
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17. K & R. And on to the Greatest Page. n/t
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Memory Container Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:18 AM
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18. "Do you sodomize your wife?"
Best. Question. Ever.
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unschooler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 03:43 PM
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39. No room for religion there, eh?
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 03:43 PM by unschooler
Welcome to DU, Memory Container!


on edit: fixed a typo
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Memory Container Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 09:52 AM
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44. Remember the student who asked Scalia that?
It was regarding Scalia's dissenting position on the overturn of sodomy laws.
It was a brilliant question because it put his hypocrisy right on display.
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unschooler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:04 AM
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47. Oh, YES I DO remember that student and his history-making moment!
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 06:51 AM
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48. I don't remember that
What was that about?
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Memory Container Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:06 AM
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49. Scalia was at a college for some function or another....
And the students were given some Q&A time with him.

"Scalia is the subject of controversy for his dissenting opinion in Lawrence v. Texas, in which he criticized the decision to overturn a law that criminalized sodomy. While on the court he voted for the right to desecrate the American flag, and against the right to abortion and the right to engage in homosexual sex. <snip>

In asking about Scalia's dissent in Lawrence v. Texas and his view that privacy is not constitutionally protected, Eric Berndt, a law student, shocked the crowd by asking, "Do you sodomize your wife?"

Scalia refused to answer the question while the crowd gasped and the administrators promptly turned off Berndt's microphone."

http://www.unknownnews.org/0504190413Scalia.html

Quite possible the 'perfect question' as it put Scalia's hypocrisy on broad display. If he didn't think anyone had the right to ask him that question, then how the hell does he have the right to suggest we can invade people's privacy?
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 12:15 PM
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50. Ok, I get it, thank you
I thought that you were asking me that question.
:)
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:49 AM
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19. Wonderful essay. Thank you.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 03:33 PM
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34. I'm glad you liked it
Thank you :)

Scalia's speech really burned me up :mad:
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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:12 AM
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20. "Corporate Personhood"...the ultimate act of judicial activism
Great Piece TFC.

Scalia will have a richly-deserved place in the pantheon of History's Greatest Hypocrites. While he is perhaps best known for his mean-spirited ranting decisions in death penalty and sodomy cases, Scalia is first and foremost, a Corporatist who believes in the power of corporations over people. He is the court's outspoken guardian of corporate rights: rights to avoid labor and environmental regs, to contribute to campaigns, to file bankruptcy and loot their pensions.

But nowhere in the United States Constitution are corporations given the same rights as "persons" or "citizens." Their constitutional "rights" had to be woven out of whole cloth by railroad justices after the Civil War. And therein lies the most egregious example of judicial activism in our nation's history. This quote is taken from the Pipermail blog:


http://lists.essential.org/pipermail/am-info/Week-of-Mon-20001009/004079.html

The This outrageous example of wild judicial activism was the perversion
of Constitutional protections that were "constructed" and clearly
intended to protect the "People" and "citizens," as suddenly also
protecting far more powerful corporations.

This is the pure judicial INVENTION -- most-certainly NOT a "strict
construction" interpretation of the Constitution -- that never once
mentioned corporate "rights." It suddenly invented in the late
1800's, the brand new concept of "corporate personhood."

Without a single iota of legislative action, corporate "people" were
first invented -- or "constructed" -- *exclusively* by the rabidly
pro-business Justices of the post-Civil War laissez faire early
Industrial Age era.

Even more outrageous, these new corporate "people" were suddenly
invented simply by an incidental, verbal-only statement during oral
arguments, without *any* justification given, whatsoever!

Nonetheless, it has since been cited on numerous occasions as the
precedent by which evermore powers and constitutional protections --
that were originally "constructed" in the actual *words* of the
Constitution as being simply to protect "the People" and "citizens"
-- are now also extended to monster corporations, including
multi-nationals and even foreign corporations.


The comment-sans-rationale was in an obscure tax case, SANTA CLARA
COUNTY v. SOUTHERN PAC. R. CO., 118 U.S. 394 (1886)

Then-Chief Justice Morrison Waite, said that the Court was of the
opinion that "provisions in the Fourteenth Amendment any
person" also applied to corporations. This flies in the face of the
fact that the Fourteenth Amendment as "constructed" in words -- to
protect former slaves after the Civil War -- *only* specified, "All
persons born or naturalized in the United States ..."

(Incidentally, prior to being appointed Chief Justice by the
notoriously-corrupt Ulysses S. Grant, Waite had never once argued a
case before the Supreme Court. His *only* notable activity was that
he had been active in the dying Whig Party, and then helped organize
the Republican Party of Ohio.)

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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 01:17 PM
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25. Corporate personhood -- Yes, that's a great point
And not only are the corporations given the rights enshrined in our Constitution, as if they were "persons".

But then, the actual persons who run the corporations and receive all the advantages of Constitutional rights based on the "personhood" of the corporations that they get to hide behind, get to escape responsibility for whatever crimes they may have committed in the name of the corporation, because if their is any punishment it is meted out to the "corporation", rather than the actual persons behind it. They just jump out with their golden parachutes and go on to start another corportation.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 12:28 PM
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46. At least Rehnquist was "constructionist" at times on this issue...
Dissenting and not ruling on various cases involving "corporate personhood". I think that the bums we have on here now will be shown for the corporate frauds of "constructionists" that they are if ever a corporate personhood case gets heard by them again. Then the "left" of the supremes will be more demonstrably "constructionist" than the right wing, that is if most of them have the courage to vote against corporate personhood in that instance, much like the four of them didn't have the courage to vote to hear cases involving state secrets privilege that they should have voted to hear as well, but didn't.
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InsultComicDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:19 AM
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21. On the other hand
he *has* gone hunting with Dick Cheney and lived to tell about it
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 12:35 PM
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24. When they hunt together, they are conducting business that cannot be . . .
. . .conducted by phone or under the eyes of others.

There are some things that can only be discussed face-to-face.

They keep these hunting trips secret for a reason. When they openly pay visits they are showing their hand. For example, Bush going to Ohio immediately before Nov 2, 2004 or going to AR, FL, and <TN?> immedicately before the 2000 election.

When the public does find out that Cheney went a-hunting, we need to take note. Who accompanied? What's in the works that they need to rig?

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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 12:15 PM
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23. STAMP OUT their FASCIST view of the law. . .
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 12:28 PM by pat_k
Scalia's latest remindes us of how critical it is that we STAMP OUT their fascist view of the law -- a view that violates our most fundamental principle: The Consent of the Governed.

Their fascist view of the law has infected American discourse. Over and over again, we see "THE LAW" successfully invoked to trump our will.

Tragically, people on "our side" have fallen victim to it too, with devasting consequences.

We must do more than critique their madness as "judicial philosophy" (i.e., the FASCIST FANTASIES they invoke to justify the atrocities they commit in our name). If we are going to resist the fascist take over, we must to challenge EVERY appeal to legalistic technicality and "complexity" used to thwart the INTENT of our laws.

Despite Scalia's Orwellian claim that "Proponents of the living constitution want matters to be decided 'not by the people, but by the justices of the Supreme Court'" he uses HIS serpentine interpretations of the "the plain text of the Constitution as it was originally written and intended" as a cudgel to bash through decisions that violate the principles embodied in those words.

You do not need a law degree, or even a high school degree, to know and revere our principles and to recognize violations of those principles.

American's Unquestioning Acceptance of a Fascist View of the Law Led to the Stolen 2000 Election

Few people question their fascist fantasy that we are a nation of laws not men. Without the unquestioning acceptance that madness, they could not have stolen the 2000 election.

Scalia and his fellow fascists use tortured interpretations of "the letter of the law" to overrule our will, even when Americans are in complete agreement that their conclusions violate the INTENT of our laws. As others have pointed out, no where was this better illustrated then in the theft of the election in 2000.

Within days, it was well-known that more Floridians went to the polls to vote for Gore than Bush. Simple extrapolation of the mysteriously uncounted ballots conclusively demonstrated that Florida elected Gore by tens of thousands of voters (if not counted votes).

For anyone with any amount of morality or decency, that should have been the end of it. As an election is not a sporting event or contest of any kind. It is a survey of the will of the electorate. And the result of that survey had been demonstrated to a level of certitude that would be acceptable in any court case.

"They" didn't even bother to deny that far more Floridians intended to vote for Gore. They just invoked legalistic technicality to toss out valid votes. And the American people shrugged their shoulders and said, "Well, the law is the law. Guess there's nothing we can do."

The law is intended to serve our will, not thwart it. It is the INTENT of our laws, not the letter of our laws, that justice must seek to enforce.



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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 02:05 PM
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26. "we must to challenge EVERY appeal to legalistic technicality and
"complexity" used to thwart the INTENT of our laws".

I agree -- and not only that. We have to drive home the point about how their appeals to 'legalistic technicalities' are not used in any kind of a consistent manner, or as part of a judicial philosophy, but rather as a hypocritical and cynical attempt to undermine the rights of American citizens, while increasing their own power and influence.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 02:57 PM
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30. Wouldn't a strict constitutionalist not believe in the Amendments anyway?
Maybe that's what he means...
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 03:30 PM
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32. I don't believe that's correct, because the original Constitution
specifically contained specifications on how to ammend the Constitution.

Therefore, there is no way that even a strict constructionist can contend that amendments are not Constitutional.

And therefore, their "strict construction" must include strict construction of the amendments as well.

Even someone as crafty and hypocritical as Scalia couldn't get around that.
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unschooler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 03:37 PM
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36. OUTSTANDING POST!!! The RW "judicial philsophy" is a political agenda.
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:



THANKS!!!
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:07 PM
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42. Thank you -- You bet it is
And it's a political agenda in lock-step with the Bush Administration -- the same one that he selected for us.

Though I'm not sure that Scalia is going to want to go duck-hunting with Cheney again any time soon.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 03:40 PM
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37. He's an "originalist". The world hasn't changed since 1789.
According to the "originalists" the Constitution wasn't written by men facing what was going on in their times, but engraved in stone by Gawd. Unchangeable by mere mortals.

The same kind of folks that believe in the "infallibility of the bible and the pope.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 03:58 PM
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41. He's an "originalist" if it serves his right wing agenda
But where the Constitution attempts to protect the liberty of ordinary citizens he'll simply twist and turn it to fit his purposes.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 11:41 AM
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45. If the Originalists thought their Constitution
was unchanging and engraved in stone by gawd, then why the heck did they include an amendment process by which their work could be changed?

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