Abu Ghraib - The Sequel - Starts in 10 Minutes -This is it Folks -New Pics

[otohara]

or watch in Real Player here: http://www.worldlinktv.org/programming/programDescription.php4?code=date_abu

You've heard about the shocking new Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse pictures just released by Australia's Dateline. Now tune in for the whole story! As the sole U.S. broadcaster of Dateline, Link TV is the only place where you can view the expose in it's entirety. Then we bring you the media reaction from the Middle East, with analysis by Link TV's Director of Middle Eastern Programming, Jamal Dajani. We show you the string of incidents that has Muslim world in an uproar.

A serious warning - some of the images in this program are very disturbing and may offend.

International Dateline broadcasts shocking new photos and video of abuses committed at the notorious Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. Before SBS Dateline's original broadcast in Australia on February 14th, many of these images were never shown to the public.

These new images reveal further widespread abuse including new incidents of apparent torture and sexual humiliation. The extent of the abuse shown in the photos suggests that the abuse that occurred at Abu Ghraib prison in 2003 is much worse than previously reported.

When the original Abu Ghraib photographs were leaked to the press in 2004, members of the U.S, Congress were given a private viewing of additional photographs and videotapes including the images which appear in this Dateline program, according to the producers. The images shown to Congress were not released to the public, reportedly due to the fear that the release of these images showing American military personnel and contractors would inflame passions in the Middle East. Despite the currently heated international climate, the Dateline producers in Australia decided to air this footage now because they believe it conveys the extent of the horror that occurred at Abu Ghraib.

[xchrom]

1. kicking and recommending early

[tnlefty]

2. Thanks for posting this.

Now if I can wrestle the remote from hubby's hand.

[Quakerfriend]

3. The horror perpetrated on these poor souls is shameful.

And, not a word about them this past week from ANY of our leaders! UNBELIEVABLE!!

[physioex]

4. I maybe not be liked for saying this....

But I got the point, enough is enough. More pictures aren't going to drive home the message and the Islamic is already enraged.....

[Daphne08]

7. I agree with you. The ones we saw last time were enough for

me. Besides I've read enough accounts that I don't have to see any more.

All I know is, I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!

[mirandapriestly]

25. They MUST be seen

most of the prisoners held at Abu Gharib were INNOCENT!

[Warren Stupidity]

8. I disagree.

I understand your point, however the propagandists have claimed that there was not torture. The pictures clearly show otherwise. Also, even these pictures are not the worst of the lot. The ACLU is still trying to force the release of even more brutal photographs.

Furthermore, why exactly should the world not know what we have done? Should the documentary evidence of other atrocities have been repressed as well?

[movonne]

10. I agree with you, they must be seen ...for some enough is enough

but there is still 39% of Americans that still don't understand and need a little help..and then there will be a percentage of the 39% that just don't care..

[goclark]

16. I agree, they need to see what horrors Bush has done

It is my hope that they will force him to be accountable for his crimes against humanity.

[AbbyR]

17. I don't think anything is going to change that 39 percent

They probably think it's really cool to hurt people. I'm totally disgusted. I want my country back, and I am praying for a leader who will put us on the right track. Don't think it's happening.

[Justice Is Comin]

33. Our new terrorist run

waterways will. It already has. They're turning on Bush like a bunch of fire ants that just had their dirt mound kicked.

It's like a daily roulette wheel of Bush ruination. Every number is a disgrace. It's hard to pick out which is the worst of the worst. But I smell smoke from the 39% screaming toward 20% already.

[physioex]

37. Let's face it a certain group are a lost cause.....EOM

[stillcool]

12. ...and I agree with you....

... the deeds our government has done in the name of foreign policy, remain unseen and unspoken. The parallel conversations that have been taking place for decades have to stop, and the reality needs to be shoved in people's faces. Denial is not the answer.

http://www.aliveness.com/kangaroo/CIAtimeline.html
A Timeline of CIA Atrocities By Steve Kangas

The following timeline describes just a few of the hundreds of atrocities and crimes committed by the CIA.

CIA operations follow the same recurring script. First, American business interests abroad are threatened by a popular or democratically elected leader. The people support their leader because he intends to conduct land reform, strengthen unions, redistribute wealth, nationalize foreign-owned industry, and regulate business to protect workers, consumers and the environment. So, on behalf of American business, and often with their help, the CIA mobilizes the opposition. First it identifies right-wing groups within the country (usually the military), and offers them a deal: "We'll put you in power if you maintain a favorable business climate for us." The Agency then hires, trains and works with them to overthrow the existing government (usually a democracy). It uses every trick in the book: propaganda, stuffed ballot boxes, purchased elections, extortion, blackmail, sexual intrigue, false stories about opponents in the local media, infiltration and disruption of opposing political parties, kidnapping, beating, torture, intimidation, economic sabotage, death squads and even assassination. These efforts culminate in a military coup, which installs a right-wing dictator. The CIA trains the dictator’s security apparatus to crack down on the traditional enemies of big business, using interrogation, torture and murder. The victims are said to be "communists," but almost always they are just peasants, liberals, moderates, labor union leaders, political opponents and advocates of free speech and democracy. Widespread human rights abuses follow.

This scenario has been repeated so many times that the CIA actually teaches it in a special school, the notorious "School of the Americas." (It opened in Panama but later moved to Fort Benning, Georgia.) Critics have nicknamed it the "School of the Dictators" and "School of the Assassins." Here, the CIA trains Latin American military officers how to conduct coups, including the use of interrogation, torture and murder.

[Warren Stupidity]

21. I miss steve. nt.

[C_U_L8R]

15. Yes the torture continues

and NO ONE is being held accountable.

These pictures need remind everyone
what is being done in OUR name.

[CrispyQ]

26. Agreed.

Shameful as they are, the rw meme that this is nothing more than fraternity pranks by a few bad apples must be debunked.

[physioex]

39. I herad that fat pill head say that....

And I was sickened by his comment...

[ronnie624]

28. I am not as generous as you

with regard to those who would seem to advocate for the suppression of these photographs and video. For what purpose would such valuable evidence be suppressed? All U.S. Americans are morally obligated to view this material so we can see the crimes that are being committed in our names, payed for with the revenue of our taxes.

Perhaps one day these images can be used in the prosecution of the filthy, amoral dross who now control our government.

I enjoy your posts. You seem to always have something of value to say.

[Warren Stupidity]

34. Thanks and welcome to DU.

I don't disagree with you. Eventually we are going to have to go through a 'truth and reconciliation' process as painful and honest as Germany or South Africa went through. Eventually our 'KGB files' are going to get dragged out in the open as were the Russian's after the collapse of their tyranny. Those who are still alive when that happens are going to get held to account. But the American people, in general are going to have to make a huge adjustment in their view of themselves and their nation's role in recent history. It is not going to be pretty.

[physioex]

38. I never has been pretty....

It has always been full of torture and murder look at the native americans, and blacks from the beginning. But most americans are living in an illusion.

[Hissyspit]

11. No. The nature of what has not been released is different from what

has been.

[truth2power]

22. It may be enough for you

but it apparently wasn't enough for the sheeple. Guess they have to be hit upside the head with a 2X4.

[file83]

30. I understand your point, but I disagree with it.

(And NO, that doesn't mean I dislike you for your position on this! :toast: )

The most important responsiblility our country has right now, is to make sure that the people responsible inside our government be punished for these horrific, SYSTEMIC, war crimes. This has not even come close to happening yet.

If we do not do this, then Islamic/Global respect from the world will NEVER be regained. I do not argue that we will defeat terrorism if we punish our leaders - that would be stupid to think. It's only the first step back in the correct direction. If we, the USA, are to EVER be taken seriously again when we claim to represent the BEST this world has to offer when it comes to human rights, then this issue MUST be corrected.

If we wash this under the rug, the only people it will make happy are the Americans that don't want to face the facts and live in a fantasy land - a land that is distinct from the rest of the world. That will ONLY create more hatred, disrespect, and terrorism from the rest of the world/Islamic world towards America.

In short, burying OUR heads in the sand will only make us MORE vulnerable.

[physioex]

36. LOL....

Thx for not disliking me ;)

[rucky]

31. YOU get the point, and I get the point...

and Muslims have the right to be enraged.

But what I want to see is a groundswell of Americans enraged by this. Looks like it's going to take something sledgehammer dramatic like this to do it.

[laylah]

5. Have I said lately

that I HATE the low life, bottom feed, MOTHER F*CKERS that have stolen our country and have visited such atrocities over innocents? Well, if I haven't, I HATE THESE MOTHER F*CKERS! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Jenn

[AlamoDemoc]

6. Thanks for the link....that was horrific n/t

[cynatnite]

9. Horrible and shameful

:cry:

[Kerrytravelers]

13. Thank you for the link.

I just watched it and was horrified.

[lala_rawraw]

14. You saw the baby?

[tnlefty]

18. Did you happen to catch the dates (one is Feb. 23rd and it is supposed to

be a longer version, I think) and I think another program is to air tomorrow (?). What I saw is enraging and sickening and I truly find it hard to believe that one human being can do such things to another.

There is currently a program on about the push to combine church and state here in the Bush** 'Merika and I've been trying to watch it also.

[Blue_Tires]

19. ttt n/t

[BringEmOn]

20. German civilians were forced to tour death camps after WWII

Maybe it's not too late for the torture-denying sheeple to see what's being done in our name BEFORE WWIII.

[ellenfl]

23. kicked to watch later. eom

[mirandapriestly]

24. Exonerated Or Promoted

the higher ranker officials who supported these acts. Disgusting

[Nothing Without Hope]

27. K & R!!! Here is my compilation of DU threads on these photos - LINKS:

This isn't comprehensive, just the threads I've seen. I'll put it here in case it's of use to anyone reading this.

People should be aware that the page linked to in the opening post has not only a VIDEO link - it has a link to the TRANSCRIPT as well. Some can't run videos on their computers, but they can still read the transcript and see some of the photos at other sites linked to in the earlier threads below.

Here's my compilation:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x413946
thread title (2-14-06 GD): 60 Previously Unpublished Photos From Abu Ghraib To be Broadcast
Comment/excerpt: “Tonight the SBS Dateline program plans to broadcast about 60 previously unpublished photographs that the US Government has been fighting to keep secret in a court case with the American Civil Liberties Union.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2109108
thread title (2-14-06 LBN): The photos America doesn't want seen (60 new Abu Ghraib pics, Aussie TV)
Comment/excerpt: “Some of the photos are similar to those published in 2004, others are different. They include photographs of six corpses, although the circumstances of their deaths are not clear. There are also pictures of what appear to be burns and wounds from shotgun pellets.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x424489
thread title (2-14-06 GD): feature prisoners in sexually humiliating acts that are deemed too graphic
Comment/excerpt: “Executive producer Mike Carey says Dateline obtained a file of hundreds of pictures, some that have been seen before and others that show new abuses.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2112727
thread title (2-16-06 LBN): Salon obtains 'all' photos, other evidence of Abu Ghraib abuses
Comment/excerpt: “One day after an Australian TV network aired more photos of abuses that occurred in 2003 at the U.S.-run Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, the online magazine Salon reveals it has obtained "more than 1,000 photographs, videos and supporting documents from the Army's probe, (which) may represent all of the photographic and video evidence" that the Army has collected during its ongoing internal investigation of the scandal. According to Salon, "the files, from the Army's Criminal Investigation Command (CID), include hundreds of images that have never been publicly released." It says the evidence was obtained from "someone who spent time at Abu Ghraib as a uniformed member of the military and is familiar with the CID investigation.”
Also see Reply #38 in this thread: Holy cow!!! 1,325 images of suspected detainee abuse
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2112727&mesg_id=2114593
Comment/excerpt: Article in the Guardian (UK): http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1711844,00.html
“Abu Ghraib leaked report reveals full extent of abuse
· 1,325 images of suspected detainee abuse
· 93 video files of suspected detainee abuse
· 660 images of adult pornography
· 546 images of suspected dead Iraqi detainees
· 29 images of soldiers in simulated sexual acts”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x440043
thread title (2-16-06 GD): Salon Obtains 'Entirety' of Abu Ghraib Photos & Videos

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x191233
thread title (2-16-06 Editorials): Eyes Wide Open (Chris Floyd on Abu Ghraib)
Comment/excerpt: Calls Bush “Bush-filth,” because this is his fault. Excerpt: “Our webmaster, Rich Kastelein, has put together a special page containing the photos released by Salon.com (which, as the website notes, represent only a small fraction of the total), along with other materials, including video of the recent Australian TV broadcast that first brought this new belching of Bush-filth to light. You can find it here: Abu Ghraib Part II.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x462154
thread title (2-18-06 GD): Abu Ghraib - The Sequel - Starts in 10 Minutes -This is it Folks -New Pics
Comment/excerpt:Also provides a RealPlayer link on this page:
http://www.worldlinktv.org/programming/programDescription.php4?code=date_abu
This page also has the TRANSCRIPT to the one hour show.
Excerpt from OP: “You've heard about the shocking new Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse pictures just released by Australia's Dateline. Now tune in for the whole story! As the sole U.S. broadcaster of Dateline, Link TV is the only place where you can view the expose in it's entirety. Then we bring you the media reaction from the Middle East, with analysis by Link TV's Director of Middle Eastern Programming, Jamal Dajani. We show you the string of incidents that has Muslim world in an uproar….”

[upi402]

29. Finally got a chance to see the complete clip

Thanks for compiling these.
I wish that dumass channel of Al Gore's wasn't used by Comcast to eliminate the last TV news I had -BBC, CBC, ITV, Deutch Welle

[BeHereNow]

32. Why do I have the HORRIBLE feeling that this is a set up for an attack?

Why now?
Before they want an excuse to attack Iran?
Why are these images being released now?
As Cheney has prepared STRATCOM to bomb
Iran in the event of another attack in the US.
What better provocation than the combination
of the "cartoons" and these images?
I shudder to think of their motives.
BHN

[BlackVelvet04]

40. Exactly.....why now?

More backlash from the Arab world would justify more fear and an attack on Iran in bush world.

[cascadiance]

35. I just watched this stuff! Stay tuned for more stuff on Thursday evening!

They were not only showing Dateline's show of the Abu Ghraib fotos, but Al-Jazeera's coverage of it, as well as Muslim protests all over the world in places like Tehran, Turkey, Syria, etc. They say that all of these events happening together (these photos coming out, the cartoon picture mess, the clip of British soldiers beating prisoners, and earlier riots in France are all collectively really building the foundations of a religious war.

In the middle of the program (looks like it had been hastily edited, Link TV folks noted that later this week there will be about four hours of stuff called "Lifting the Fog" on Thursday evening at around 5:00 PST, 8:00 EST. Now currently in the online Dish Network channel guide, it shows up only for an hour and a half starting at 7:30 PM PST, but I suspect they will revise the programming guide for that night as it gets closer.