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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:22 AM
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Alcohol should be banned
* 40% of all suicide attempts are alcohol-related
* 54% of all violent crimes are alcohol-related
* 60% of all emergency room admissions are alcohol-related
* 80% of all domestic disputes are alcohol-related


http://www.nh-dwi.com/caip-206.htm

Seems to me alcohol contributes more to crime than guns. Yet we often hear folks wanting to ban guns, or at the minimum control them to extremes.

Smoking also seems to be a favorite target for some, yet alcohol is still a bigger problem to society and 'second hand' drinking is a problem (ie, people affected by drunks).

Now I of course don't think we should ban alcohol - but I do think those wanting to restrict/ban other things should start with alcohol first if they are sincere in saving us all from ourselves.

Flame away, I am heading back to bed so might be awhile before I can enjoy the toastiness :)
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:23 AM
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1. Have you had too much to drink recently?
:rofl:

:popcorn:

(the smilie depends on your point of view... :7 )
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maine_raptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:24 AM
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2. We tried it once, didn't work then and won't work now....n/t
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:24 AM
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3. Nah... Just Legalize Marijuana
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:32 AM
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7. Amen
Legalize marijuana and industrial hemp and we could solve half the world's problems.

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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:38 AM
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9. I Have Yet to See a Brawl with Pot Smokers
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 11:39 AM by stepnw1f
or driving accidents. Now driving sloooow... yes.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:41 AM
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13. Well, if I were to encounter you in the Oreo isle
& there was only one package of Oreo's left, you would see a brawl!! ;)
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:47 AM
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19. No way
We would sit down and share them.

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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:49 AM
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20. Nah... I'd Roll Ya a Fatty and We'd Share
;)
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 12:13 PM
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30. You're right!
I'd take a fatty over a cookie any day!! :)
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:53 AM
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22. Yep. Heard about a study of prison populations and substance use.
Pot was NOT the 'gateway drug' to a life of violent crime.

Plus, if pot were legalized, a lot of stocks would rise... check the companies that own the companies that make cookies. BUY BUY BUY.

Had a law enforcement official tell me he doesn't mind pot at all. Pot users are cooperative and non violent. Meth scares the crap out of him. Booze is bad and the most dangerous thing in American homes is a bible on the coffee table. He also said the reason pot is illegal is there is no reliable way to test and prove whether anyone is currently under its influence. Being fat soluble, it stays in the body longer than booze, long past the time someone is under its influence. I laughed at that. The reason it is illegal is Big Pharam doesn't want to compete with something anybody could grow, improves so many serious conditions AND does not produce side effects which require even more patented meds to mask.
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HeeBGBz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:40 AM
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11. It would solve mine n/t
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:44 AM
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14. I've always thought that having good drugs legal
might discourage most folks from the bad drugs like alcohol, nicotine, meth, freebase cocaine, inhalants. If drug abusers could get a good, legal buzz on a substance whose quality and dosage was regulated, would they still destroy their bodies with the bad stuff? I know a lot of opiate addicts who tapered down and went to meth because meth was a cheaper and longer lasting high. What if they'd have been allowed to buy their opiate of choice at Walgreens?

Most serious addicts abuse a variety of drugs, I do know that. However, the true addicts are a very tiny portion of the population and were so when cocaine and opiates were sold over the counter at every druggist and general store in the country. Most people use them properly.

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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:51 AM
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21. Yup... yup
It's all about CONTROL.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 12:06 PM
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27. Good idea, but the beer industry would never allow it
It would put a huge dent in their pockets if pot was legal because for so many people smoking pot is so much better than drinking alcohol.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 12:10 PM
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29. Marijuana legalization will come if you illustrate the dangers of alcohol
By contrast to how damaging alcohol is to all societies, marijuana is a Milky Way.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:25 AM
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4. Dont smoke a joint in your own privacy though.n/t
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:27 AM
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5. Let's ban money instead.
It leads to a lot of conflict.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:39 AM
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10. lol....
good one.
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 12:13 PM
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31. AMEN!
I was talking to a friend about this last night--as Chaucer put it so long ago--"Love of money is the root of all evil."
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China_cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:30 AM
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6. I agree with you in big part
Ever since the night I was at the opening of our new colisseum, sitting next to a guy going on and on and on about how nice it was that this was a non-smoking building...while downing mixed drinks that were available every 50 feet on the concourse. In that situation, living with the smoke might kill me in 20 or 30 years but I'm in a hell of lot more danger of being killed when that asshole gets in his car to drive home.

And I really dislike being on the road after they have one of their wrestling, muscle car, or otherwise 'macho' events there where the alcohol flows freely and nobody is checked to see if they have a designated driver.

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BR_Parkway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:36 AM
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8. Then don't drink it, plain and simple. I don't want the gov't telling
me what I should or shouldn't put into my body. Same way I don't want them deciding on when to pull the plug or, if I were a woman, how my reproductive system should be under their control.
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Gemini Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:41 AM
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12. Won't work.
The 1920's proved that.
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CatholicEdHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 12:01 PM
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23. Exactly
Even today's fundies are not even playing that card.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:44 AM
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15. It worked so well the last time alcohol was banned, didn't it?
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:45 AM
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16. Flame bait, or just plain stupid?
Prohibition of anything has never, doesn't, and will never work. All you get is more criminal empires. "Behind every great fortune lies a great crime." - Honore de Balzac
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:45 AM
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17. it is not societies responsibility to create utopia for each person
we are not a lot of robots to be dictated to each and every move we make in our journey. some will have messier lives than others. it isnt anothers job to clean their life up for them. free will their choice. we are all individuals, making individual choices from the character and uniqueness that we are. god doesnt even dare to make us all clones. you arent going to get rid of the behavior that adopts alcholoism by getting rid of the booze, not to mention you arent going to get rid of booze.

i read a post where it says, can you go one day of not breaking law. i cannot. probably never have. i willingly break the law all over the place. i dont hurt myself, i dont hurt others, and i dont follow all the tons of rules, i refuse. that is my personality. where as my oldest son must have rules. loves rules. rules are needed for him to live life. it is no problem what so ever for him to follow the zillion rules. two unique people. we each have our place in this society

you dont get to heal all mankind. we each get to decide how we want to walk our journey. it may not be how you want us to, but it is the way a free society must work, or it is not free. even if you see it as good for all.

i dont drink, dont like booze, have a line of alcoholics in family that die from booze, and i stand up for their right to make their choices, even htough i dont like it.

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GrumpyGreg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:45 AM
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18.  I agree with everything you said !
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Retired AF Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 12:02 PM
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24. That has already been tried
didn't work. But it was great in creating organized crime.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 12:02 PM
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25. Well Hopefully This Will Shut Those Rabid Anti-Smokers Up.
Oh, wait, that's right. Nothing shuts those damn rabid anti-smokers up LOL


:)
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 12:05 PM
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26. beyond idiotic. I have a better chance dying in a car crash
Ban cars!

Red Meat causes heart disease! Ban steak (do and I'll stab you).

What is with this fucking country. If we don't like something, we want it banned?

I'm a recovering alcoholic and I think this is a stupid idea!

P.R.O.H.I.B.I.T.I.O.N. doesn't fucking work. But the crime syndicate would love it! more money!
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 12:09 PM
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28. Let's ban food, and air..
.. after all, all human folly follows eating.

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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 12:14 PM
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32. Locking.
This post seems to be flamebait, as stated.

Thanks for your consideration.
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