Did Clinton really give secret technology to the Chinese?

[peanutbrittle]

I need any info on this I can get. I tried a net search but can't seem to find anything,

Need it so I can discuss this with RW acquaintance.

[radwriter0555]

1. Nope.

He sure didn't.

[SammyBlue]

2. I doubt it, but it's a good talking point.

All the RW's "evidence" is circumstantial and innuendo anyway!

And most of it is based on phone calls that "may" have been made. After all, "some people say."

[leftofthedial]

3. no

King George the First did

[peanutbrittle]

7. Where can I find some info? n/t

[radwriter0555]

12. Google is your best friend!

It is the startling lack of any credible information that answers your question. But you knew that!

Just tell your brain washed, right wing republican friend to prove it, then start singing "Cheney got a Gun...."

[TheDebbieDee]

25. That's the story I read, too, somewhere........

The first George Bush sold the weapons or secrets to the Chinese, but the deal wasn't uncovered/discovered til Bill Clinton was in office so his administration took the hit for making the deal!

[SammyWinstonJack]

4. Is bush** selling our Ports to those who fund terrorists? Yes he is.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

5. Did Kerry Really Lie About His Purple Hearts?

[fasttense]

6. Clinton was a great president, get over it repukes.

He was a better president than brush, get over it repukes.

[txindy]

8. You answered your own question. Your net searches returned NOTHING.

Sometimes the search result IS the result. There are no search results because it didn't happen.

[peanutbrittle]

10. Thanks..I have this RW inger who keeps bringing this up...

and I can't figure out what the hell he is talking about

[burythehatchet]

9. Was Clinton really running a drug smuggling ring

out of Arkansas?

[radwriter0555]

14. Nope, that was bush with his best pal Barry Seal.....

the bush family is all over the Mena scandal, clinton had no clue.

[MrBenchley]

11. Of course not.

Here's the best squelch I know: So why wasn't it mentioned at the impeachment hearings if it was true? You mean Clinton was working for the Red Chinese and the only thing the GOP could find was that he got a blowjob? If it was true, and the GOP didn't mention it, they must be in on it too.

[acmejack]

13. That damned Clinton, this is past the ridiculous.

Of course not. But now Bush gave them an entire airplane loaded with really neat top secret whiz bang stuff on April Fools Day, 2001. Ask your pal about that.

edit here's a link http://www.emergency.com/2001/ep3-china.htm

[Captain Hilts]

15. Toshiba did. Sub propeller technology evidently. nt

[madrchsod]

22. that was to russia

and the usa banned toshiba products in the usa. the ban was lifted several years later

[Captain Hilts]

27. Correct. I wasn't specific. Thanks for the clarification. nt

[noahmijo]

16. No it was uncovered during his administration that IN THE REAGAN YEARS

Nuclear secrets may have been stolen.

#2 What happened during the 90's was some worker at Los Almos in New Mexico who was from China allegedly tried to send nuclear secrets back to China but he was caught and eventually release due to lack of evidence or something like that.

Point is it's another case of Republicans making a complete lie out of almost a non-story and furthermore trying to cover up their own fuck-ups from the past.

Third point to bring up, if the Chinese really wanted to get rid of us all they'd have to do is call in the debt we owe them-but like any smart credit card company they understand that at our rate they could just continue to juice us for centuries and why get rid of their best customers?

[Kingshakabobo]

17. No, but Bush's brother, Neil, lobbied the President on behalf...

of the COMMUNIST CHINESE to release the sale of sensitive technology to the commies.

You see, it's OK if a Bush gets a cut of the pie.

BTW, that's where Neil caught the venereal disease that he passed along to his unsuspecting wife. Those nice Chinese women that showed up at his hotel. He didn't realize they were hookers.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A35297-2003Dec27

snip:

Ah, it's nice to be Neil Bush.

When you're Neil Bush, rich people from all over the world are eager to invest money in your businesses, even though your businesses have a history of crashing and burning in spectacular fashion.

When you're Neil Bush, you'll be sitting in a hotel room in Thailand or Hong Kong, minding your own business, when suddenly there's a knock at the door. You answer it and a comely woman strolls in and has sex with you.

[seabeyond]

21. i dont think they were women. i think they were girls n/t

[peanutbrittle]

18. Thanks all...here is

something written on the the subject as well implying Bush 1 & 2 and Reagan:



US MISSILE DEFENSE, NUCLEAR TECHNOLOGIES TRANSFERRED TO RUSSIA, CHINA





Patrick Briley
September 14, 2004
NewsWithViews.com



snip

In May 2002 GW Bush signed an agreement with Putin of Russia to share US ballistic missile defense research and development with Russia including access to US command and control and testing information for theater and strategic ballistic missile defenses of the US. While a US missile defense system may very well be a wise investment for America, it was extremely unwise for GW Bush to sign the agreement with Putin to give Russia access to US missile defense technologies and command and control systems.

The actual carrying out of the GW Bush agreement with Putin in May 2002 would be a violation of the intent of 1946 McMahon Act (Atomic Energy Act) to prevent sharing of US nuclear technologies with potential adversaries and even allies because certain aspects of US missile defense R&D and systems involves nuclear technologies. Congress also never properly ratified the Bush-Putin agreement as a treaty. Carrying out of the agreement by GW Bush would therefore be a violation of US law and the US Constitution.

snip

The Chinese were given and/or stole US missile defense secrets (including powerful airborne laser technology) at Kirtland AFB in New Mexico back in the 1980s and early 1990s under HW Bush at a time when HW Bush intentionally promoted technical exchanges on US missile defense and nuclear technology with Russian and Chinese scientists, American scientists and Air Force personnel AND intentionally relaxed travel and clearance restrictions on US nuclear scientists like Wen Ho Lee and Peter Lee who were ALLOWED to travel to Communist China UNESCORTED, just as American scientists were ALLOWED under the Reagan - Gorbachev proposals to travel to Russia.



While Russia was getting access to US missile defense and nuclear technology at US national labs under HW Bush and Reagan, the Chinese were also getting similar access according to an article by Robert "CHINESE ESPIONAGE WAS A REAGAN BUSH SCANDAL":

http://www.newswithviews.com/Briley/Patrick1.htm

[Warren Stupidity]

19. You cannot prove a negative.

Your 'RW friend' has you in a logical bind. Establishing that Clinton didn't do something will be very difficult. He should however be able to provide credible information validating his positive assertion that Clinton 'gave secret technology to the Chinese'. Just demand he do so.

Most likely the asshat is confused about the bomb technology scandal that was uncovered during the Clinton administration but occurred in the Bush or Reagan administrations.

[hughee99]

20. Add to your search "Loral"

Being the brother of a repuke, I'm a little familiar with this.

http://partners.nytimes.com/library/politics/052498clinton-donate.html

Here's what i found...
It appears from this article that the export controls of certain satellite technology was, at one time, controlled by the defense department. During the Clinton administration, those controls were moved to the commerce department, which then allowed them to transfer the technology to the Chinese. Apparently this was against the recommendations of the current Sec. of State Warren Christopher who felt that this could compromise US security.

I don't know specifically what the technology was here, but it has something to do with getting rockets into orbit. China was contracting out rockets to launch satellites, and had experienced several launch failures which are expensive to those trying to get their satellites into orbit. The technology was supposed to help them correct these problems but allegedly it could also be used for ballistic missiles.

I don't know that it could be considered transferring "secret" technology since it was basically declassified by the govt and allowed to be transferred. I also have no idea how much this technology was really "dual use" and how useful it would have been to ballistic missile development, but I believe that this what the RW are talking about.

[MannyGoldstein]

23. Yes - It Was Through Loral

As I recall, Bernie Schwartz, CEO of Loral, was the single largest contributor to Clinton or the DNC or something like that. Surprise - Clinton changed our national policy on letting technology out of the country, e.g., to China - Loral and China were the big winners in this. And you and I were the big losers.

When will we learn... the Clintons and the rest of th DLC are just Republicans who can talk about sex without stammering - they'll do anything for a few shekels.

[KittyWampus]

24. No, But GOP Fundraiser Katrina Leung was a Chinese SPY plus she

was fucking the very same FBI agent harassaing Clinton/Gore for supposedly taking illegal campaign cash from some Buddhist monks.

[johnaries]

26. Here's what I could find

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/campfin/stories/cf021098.htm
~snip~
In brief form, the report summarizes previously reported information about how the Chinese developed a plan in 1995 to influence U.S. politicians. By 1996, it included efforts to make political contributions in congressional elections. In June 1996, the FBI warned six senators and congressmen that they might be targeted for Chinese contributions. The FBI informed two members of the National Security Council staff, but the information was not passed to Clinton, who later expressed public irritation at the lapse.

The Thompson report describes the Chinese plan as "a broad array of Chinese efforts designed to influence U.S. policies and elections through, among other means, financing election campaigns." The report says the information that the Chinese wanted to influence the 1996 presidential contest is "fragmentary" but cites no example.

http://www.fas.org/news/china/1998/980521-prc2.htm

VOICE: FIRST, CONSIDER THE TIMING. PRESIDENT CLINTON MADE HIS
DECISION IN MARCH 1996, ALLOWING TWO AMERICAN FIRMS TO
ASSIST CHINA WITH THE LAUNCH OF TELECOMMUNICATIONS
SATELLITES, CONTINUING A POLICY STARTED BY PRESIDENT
BUSH. CHUNG DID NOT MEET HIS CHINESE CASH COW
-- MILITARY OFFICER AND AEROSPACE EXECUTIVE LIU
CHAO-YING -- UNTIL JUNE OF 1996. HIS CONTRIBUTIONS OF
HER MONEY TO THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE WERE MADE
IN JULY AND AUGUST 1996. SUGGESTING THAT CONTRIBUTIONS
MADE IN AUGUST INFLUENCED A PRESIDENTIAL DECISION MADE
THE PREVIOUS MARCH IS LIKE ACCUSING SOMEONE OF MURDERING
A PERSON WHO HAD ALREADY DIED A PEACEFUL DEATH FIVE
MONTHS EARLIER. EASY TO CHARGE, IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVE...
THERE IS ZERO EVIDENCE THAT AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY WAS
EVER FOR SALE; ZERO EVIDENCE OF ANY QUID PRO QUO ...

TEXT: MR. PRESS GOES ON TO NOTE THAT IT IS HARD TO IMAGINE
CHINESE LEADERS WERE SO NAIVE TO THINK THEY COULD INFLUENCE AN
AMERICAN PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN WITH ONLY 80-THOUSAND DOLLARS.
THAT IS THE FINAL AMOUNT OF MONEY HE SAYS JOHNNY CHUNG ACTUALLY
GAVE THE DEMOCRATS FROM HIS CHINESE DONORS, AFTER KEEPING A
SEIZABLE AMOUNT FOR HIMSELF.

[buddhamama]

28. ponder this for a minute

If Clinton sold Secret technology to the Chinese then Republicans share the blame or the majority of. Instead of wasting a heaping loads of money and time investigating and subsequently Impeaching Clinton for sex, they should have been investigating and impeaching him for giving secret technology to the Chinese. Only touching the surface the claim is ludicrous.