Question about FEMA

[serryjw]

Have been wondering since it was merged into DHS and Katrina about the Executive orders and what happens to them. Is it FEMA that will have control of our gov't in time of national emergency or DHS?? For those of you not familiar with FEMA'S OLD powers..Here goes......
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THE MOST POWERFUL ORGANIZATION IN THE UNITED STATES.

Though it may be the most powerful organization in the United States, few people know it even exists. But it has crept into our private lives. Even mortgage papers contain FEMA's name in small print if the property in question is near a flood plain. FEMA was deeply involved in the Los Angeles riots and the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake in the San Francisco Bay Area. Some of the black helicopter traffic reported throughout the United States, but mainly in the West, California, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and Colorado, are flown by FEMA personnel. FEMA has been given responsibility for many new disasters including urban forest fires, home heating emergencies, refugee situations, urban riots, and emergency planning for nuclear and toxic incidents. In the West, it works in conjunction with the Sixth Army. FEMA was created in a series of Executive Orders. A Presidential Executive Order, whether Constitutional or not, becomes law simply by its publication in the Federal Registry. Congress is by-passed.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

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http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/fema_executive_orders.htm

[Mabus]

1. Remember the "X-Files" movie

when they were talking about how powerful FEMA really was? Sci-fi meets reality.

[serryjw]

2. Thanks...but nver watched X-files

and it wasn't my question

[Mabus]

8. Well excuse me

I was just trying to help keep your post from completely disappearing into the abyss by mentioning something that others might be able to relate to but if that's your attitude forget it.

[KharmaTrain]

3. DHS Trumps All

All old executive orders became voided when FEMA was "bucked" down to a sub-chapter of DHS...that's the good news. The bad news is DHS now has that authority and appears totally inept at handling any of these orders without screwing up.

Remember, Brownie is now claiming he had to get Chertoff to sign off on everything he did...sure sounds like he had little direct power...like a James Lee Witt did...to move men and material into place, yet to do much else. Also, wasn't one of the hang-ups on sending in the Army due to cross jurisdiction with the DOD? Sure didn't seem like FEMA had the authority to do anything but fail.

[serryjw]

5. Thanks

There is new talk about pulling FEMA away from DHS again.

[Coastie for Truth]

4. Read the Executive Orders themselves - not what somebody says about them

Here's a link to the full texts -- www.sweetliberty.org/issues/eo/femalist.htm

I am familiar with .

The operative text is

NOW, THEREFORE, as President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces of the United States, and by virtue of the authority vested in me by sections 305 and 606 of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended (47 U.S.C. 305 and 606), and by section 301 of Title 3 of the United States Code, it is hereby ordered as follows:

SECTION 1. There is hereby established the position of Director of Telecommunications Management, which position shall be held by one of the Assistant Directors of the Office of Emergency Planning provided for under Reorganization Plan No. 1 of 1958, as amended (72 Stat. 1799).

SEC. 2. Subject to the authority and control of the President, the Director of Telecommunications Management shall:

(a) Coordinate telecommunications activities of the executive branch of the Government and be responsible for the formulation, after consultation with appropriate agencies, of overall policies and standards therefor. He shall promote and encourage the adoption of uniform policies and standards by agencies authorized to operate telecommunications systems. Agencies shall consult with the Director of Telecommunications Management in the development of policies and standards for the conduct of their telecommunications activities within the overall policies of the executive branch.

(b) Develop data with regard to United States Government frequency requirements.

(c) Encourage such research and development activities as he shall deem necessary and desirable for the attainment of the objectives set forth in section 6 below.

(d) Contract for studies and reports related to any aspect of his responsibilities.

SEC. 3. The authority to assign radio frequencies to Government agencies, vested in the President by section 305 of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended (47 U.S.C. 305), including all functions heretofore vested in the Interdepartment Radio Advisory Committee, is hereby delegated to the Director of the Office of Emergency Planning, who may redelegate such authority to the Director of Telecommunications Management. Such authority shall include the power to amend, modify, or revoke frequency assignments.

SEC. 4. The functions and responsibilities vested in the Director of the Office of Emergency Planning by Executive Order No. 10705 of April 17, 1957, as amended, may be redelegated to the Director of Telecommunications Management Executive Orders No. 10695A of January 16, 1957, and No. 10705, as amended are hereby further amended insofar as they are with the present order. Executive Order No. 10460 of June 16, 1953, is hereby revoked.

SEC. 5. The Director of Telecommunications Management shall establish such interagency advisory committees and working groups composed of representatives, interested agencies and consult with such departments and agencies as may be necessary for the most effective performance of his functions. To the extent that he deems it necessary or advisable to continue tile Interdepartment Radio Advisory Committee it shall serve in an advisory capacity to the Director of Management.

SEC. 6. In carrying out functions under this order, the Director of Telecommunications Management shall consider the following objectives:

(a) Full and efficient employment of telecommunications resources in carrying out national policies;

(b) Development of telecommunications plans, policies, and programs under which full advantage of technological development will accrue to the Nation and the users of telecommunications; and which will satisfactorily serve the national security; sustain and contribute to the full development of world trade and commerce; strengthen the position and serve the best interests of the United States in negotiations with foreign nations; and permit maximum use of resources through better frequency management;

(c) Utilization of the radio spectrum by the Federal Government in a manner which permits and encourages the most beneficial use thereof in the public interest;

(d) Implementation of the national policy of development and effective use of space satellites for international telecommunications services.

SEC.7. Nothing contained in this order shall be deemed to impair any existing authority or jurisdiction of the Federal Communications Commission.

SEC. 8. The Director of Telecommunications Management and the Federal Communications Commission shall assist and give policy advice to the Department of State in the discharge of its functions in the field of international telecommunications policies, positions and negotiations.

SEC.9. The Director of Telecommunications Management shall issue such rules and regulations as may be necessary to carry out the duties and responsibilities vested in him by this order or delegated to him wider this order.

SEC. 10. All executive departments and agencies of the Federal Government are authorized and directed to cooperate with the Director of Management and to furnish him such information, support and assistance, not inconsistent with the law, as he may require in the performance of his duties.

The reason I kow this one is that I am a - and we have a question about this Executive Order every Ham License Test. -- And about a third of the examinees answer that this EO allows "The Government" to seize your radios. Wrong - it allows them to implement an emergency frequency allocation plan and keep civilian traffic off of the Civil Air Patrol, Military Auxiliary Radio System, and Police/Fire/Medic bands.

[serryjw]

6. You're giving me info from

1962??

[Coastie for Truth]

7. Superseded by EO 13231

and the PDF File

Nothing about the boogey man of seizing radios, scanners, cell phones, repeaters, routers, etc.

THE 1962 EO WAS THE ONE REFERENCED IN THE OP - YOU HAVE TO START WITH THAT ONE - AND FOLLOW THROUGH 40 PLUS YEARS CHANGES OF REVISIONS, CHANGES, REVOCATIONS, REISSUES, ETC. TO SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING -- AND I AM IN NO FEAR OF MY RIG BEING SEIZED

Just remember - our ultimate protection is

Amendment II-
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

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And if FEMA tries to take my gun - they are going to have to peel off my cold, dead, rigor mortised fingers from around the barrel.