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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:06 PM
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Mom Charged With Letting Man Have Sex With Daughter, faces 12 yrs jail
Mom Charged With Letting Man Have Sex With Daughter

POSTED: 9:30 pm EST February 18, 2006

RACINE, Wis. -- A Tucson, Ariz., man has been charged with the second-degree assault of a child.

Police said Aaron Corkill met a 15-year-old Wisconsin girl over the Internet, visited her there and had sex with her four times.

The girl's mother is accused of giving the man permission to do so.

Police said they arrested Corkill after another man told officers Corkill was bragging about having sex with the girl.

The girl's mother faces 12.5 years in jail and a $25,000 fine if convicted. Her name was withheld to protect her daughter's identity.

http://www.local6.com/news/7203752/detail.html
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:07 PM
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1. Put her in the slammer
throw away the key!!!!!
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LiberalPartisan Donating Member (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:14 PM
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2. I'm gonna be ill.
He ought to be placed in the general prison population where pedophiles have a very short lifespan.

And she should be publically flogged - then drawn and quatered.
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MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:39 PM
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17. well, i oppose capital punishment so I'd take issue with drawing....
...and quartering.
...now flogging, I could maybe agree with.
...wait, not that either. but...
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:17 PM
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3. What about the guy?
I hope he's facing jail time, too--chatting with young girls on the internet. :grr: :mad:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:17 PM
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4. How old is the man, what are the circumstances? too little info.
If a pedophile, throw him away. If he is a couple yrs older, and it was consensual, that's a different story. Too little info in this story.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:29 PM
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8. I hope you're kidding--
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 05:33 PM by bliss_eternal
A fifteen year old is too young to consent to sex. A man is a man--an adult. Dude is obviously a pedophile, age is not an issue here.

The question should be why he wasn't trying to find an adult woman to have sex with...

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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:55 PM
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19. Oh, come on. Is it really "pedophilia" if the girl was 15?
First of all, there is a HUGE difference between an 18 year old male highschool student having sex with a 15 year old female highschool student and a 32 year old dirtbag doing the same thing. So, yes, that is an important fact that was left out of this news story that the public needs to have in order to better evaluate the impact the story.

(Regardless of the age of the man anyway, a 15 year old girl doesn't qualify as a "pedophilia" victim - rather it makes her a statutory rape victim. Pedophilia refers to victims that are essentially pre-pubescent children, not adolescents.)

Afterall, why did "local6 news" report the girls age (15)? If age doesn't matter (according to you), why do they even report that? While we're at it, why not leave out:

The city
The state
The gender of the people involved.
The crime

That way, the news could be so dumbed down that the story would simply read:
"Human being has sex with other human being, goes to jail. End of story."

Of course it's HORRIBLE parenting on the mother's part if the man was older than 19 - but if the "man" was 18 or 19, the mother may have made the decision to "allow" her daughter to have sex with him (and KNOW about it) rather than "not allow it" and have the daughter just sneak away and do it Lord-only-knows-where and with-who-else-present(?). You have read "Romeo and Juliet", right? Young hearts can be very difficult to control. But we can't determine whether that is the case because "local6 news" didn't report the age of the "man".

Are you getting the point yet? :silly:
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:45 PM
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26. I think we can all agree that the reporting is pathetic...
If you're going to have any report about statutory rape or molestation, etc., it goes without saying that you need to mention the ages of both the alleged victim and the alleged rapist.

I agree with you completely, but I would also like to add something: besides his actual age, does he also look a certain age? I mean, a 50-year-old can hardly pass off as a 16-year-old, so the mother would've had to have known that she was allowing someone much older than her daughter to have sex with her. But what if he's, say, 22 but can pass for 16? It's of course still statutory rape on his part, but if the mother was under the impression that she was allowing her 15-year-old have sex with a 16- or 17-year-old, she's guilty of not being absolutely on point about who exactly her daughter is having sex with, but not of knowingly allowing her child to be raped by a much older man.

As it stands, the report is both extremely short and woefully incomplete, so we don't know if this was a case of a mother being a little too careless (though many parents are just as careless, if not moreso, without facing over a decade in prison), or if she knowingly allowed a pervert access to her child.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:14 PM
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36. While the reporting may be pathetic
the assumptions made by some on this thread are...well words escape me.

It is not a mother's job to give permission to people to have sex with their child, no matter how OLD the man looks. It is a mother's job to protect the child. Period.

These facts ARE in the article and that is what I am reacting to. A mother giving permission for anyone to have sex with their child is beyond reprehenisble. I don't care that the daughter being fifteen seems old enough for some of you to consider not really a child. Under the law, emotionally and in many ways physically she is still a child.

Go have a conversation with women that were molested or sexually 'played' with by a cousin, brother or family friend that was just a bit older. I assure you the damage is no less than if they had been much older. It is someone else making choices for a child, that isn't ready to make such emotional choices themselves.


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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:30 PM
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 10:06 PM
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54. Yes--it's pedophilia if the girl was 15.
It's pedophilia until she is considered an adult.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:04 PM
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23. I'm gonna go with uppityperson. If the individual is 16 or 17 himself
I don't think that makes him a "pedophile". That makes him a sexually active teenager, just like the girl.

The first question that came into my mind, too, was "how old is the man"? If he's clearly an adult, that's one thing. But you do have situations in this country where High School Seniors are being tagged as sexual predators and sent to prison for years and years for having consensual sex with their girlfriends of just a year or two younger--- and that's fucked up. AFAIK, it depends on the state, the laws, and the individual will of the prosecuting authorities (race seems to be a heavy factor, too- if 17 year old black kid has sex with 15 year old white girlfriend, wanna bet that gets far greater legal attn. then the same situation where the 17 yr old boy is white?)
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:49 PM
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33. Why the hell
are you people bashing us for facts that aren't in evidence, yet you're so willing to assume that the facts favor the guy in question?

:wtf:

What we do know is that the girl is fifteen. Fifteen. We also know the mother gave permission for some guy to have sex with a fifteen year old. Hello?! That's fuckin' wrong! You don't give permission for someone to have sex with a child. Why is no red flag coming up about THAT?!?

We don't know the guy's age. So what? He's in jail. Let's assume for a minute that he's there because he did something wrong. Why would a guy just a few years older be bragging to friends that he just had sex with someone that was a few years younger.

Sometimes this board and the assumptions made that favor men that commit crimes against women astound me.



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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:46 PM
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40. anyone here remember "Pretty Baby"? n/t
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 10:23 PM
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60. Who is "You People"? Who is "bashing"?
I think you're the one who is making unfounded assumptions, about "this board" and who is favoring whom and why. Only observation that was made was, the article doesn't state the guys' age. Seems to me everyone is in pretty much agreement that, assuming the guy is some middle aged creep, justice was served here. A previous poster said, if the other individual was another teenager, and it's not clear from the story that he isn't, then it should be a different matter than if he was significantly older.

To which you responded, in essence, the guy's age doesn't matter...

Now, of course, you make all kinds of noise that it's "obvious" that the guy isn't a teenager (even though his age isn't stated in the story) and anyone who even asks the question must be some kind of pedophile apologist who wants to rush to defend some 40 year old sicko preying on teenage girls.

Nope, sorry. NO ONE HERE SAID ANYTHING RESEMBLING THAT. All uppityperson said was, if he's only a couple years older - a fellow teenager-, that's something different than if he's much older.

But, apparently, even voicing that kind of sentiment is not permitted by certain members of our thought police here. And warrants having one's words twisted into something they aren't.

Well, since you like to read all kinds of stuff that isn't there into people's posts, turnabout is fair play- because that's your stated position, I have to assume that you think a 17 year old having sex with a 15 year old is an equivalent crime to a 40 year old doing the same. (these are not abstract academic exercises. There have been cases recently in the news of teenagers being prosecuted- heavily- for having sex with their teenage significant others) In fact, I have to assume that you think whoever had sex with this 15 year old should be prosecuted-- which makes me wonder, what if they were BOTH 15? Who should go to jail, then? Both of 'em?
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emdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:18 PM
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5. I saw a story about a year ago....
It was on one of the news magazine shows: 20-20, Dateline, or one of the others. A woman's boyfriend asked to have sex with her daughter (about age 6) for his birthday. She agreed and after that they both abused the girl for years - together. She is now grown (about 19 to 20) and testified against both of them. The woman said that she "loved" the boyfriend and didn't want to disappoint him or lose him.
emdee :mad:
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:28 PM
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7. I think I saw that, too--
but I saw the profile on CourtTV or A&E--like American Justice or something like that. They were profiling the case. I felt so badly for that girl, now a woman. How horrible to be abused that way by someone you love and trust.

What a piece of waste that mother was... :puke:
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emdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:32 PM
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12. That may have been where I saw it, too, then....
The story turned my stomach. I couldn't believe that the mom even agreed to the interview. The poor girl - I hope she's ok today. What a lot of baggage. She had a lot of courage, though, to 1st endure what she did and 2nd to stand up and testify against them.
emdee
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:34 PM
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13. It could have been featured on both--
they frequently cover similiar cases. :hi:
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emdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:37 PM
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15. I just hope that both the mom and boyfriend....
are still locked up. Child molesters never seem to get enough time.

emdee

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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:29 PM
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29. Ugh!
That's just f-ing disgusting!
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emdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:47 PM
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32. It was - absolutely disgusting....
when she said that she "loved him and didn't want to lose him or disappoint him" I nearly threw up. I cringe when I think about what some kids must go through.
emdee
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 10:15 PM
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59. Stupid a-holes like that make me want to rethink my stand on the
death penalty. :grr:
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:19 PM
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6. The mom should face the same charge as the rapist.
If she intentionally handed her child over to an adult for sexual purposes, she's no better than the rapist.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:31 PM
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10. Absolutely--
:mad: What kind of mother hands their child over to some stranger from the internet to have sex with them?
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:31 PM
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9. Was the "man" 18 years old? Or 30? Or 50? Nice reporting "local6 news"!
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:32 PM
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11. Why does that matter?
The child is still a child, and he was still an adult.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:56 PM
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20. It matters if the mom didn't know how old he was or that they had sex.
I have no sympathy for anyone that would pimp their child. However, there is a possibility that the mom merely gave her permission for her daughter to date a guy on the internet. If that's the case, she made a terrible mistake. However, she wouldn't have necessarily known that they were having sex or that he was an adult.

No excuses. However, live journal and my space are breeding grounds for this kind of thing.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:01 PM
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22. Did you hear about the story of some 14 year old girl that
met up (secretly) with a 21 yearold guy she met on MySpace? He killed her. Parents need to be aware of who their children are meeting up with - if that channel of discussion is closed off - then Lord only knows who your children are meeting with/having sexual relations with. Dangerous stuff.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:07 PM
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25. I did. Myspace and livejournal allegedly have age limits.
I don't know, but I've heard that they require people to be over a certain age. However, they don't have verification.

I like the idea of an online journal, but even a casual look at livejournal shows how dangerous it can be. Parents should be aware, absolutely. However, they must also instill some self-awareness in their children. It's not okay to talk to strangers on the street. It's not okay to talk to strangers that you've only met on the internet.

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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:21 PM
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44. Overheard at my library among kids trying to get onto "Myspace"
"Sixteen, you gotta be sixteen" The kids was about ten.

Now how are thy going to tell if a kid is ten years old or sixteen?
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:37 PM
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46. beats me. ((Link to Bobby Brown/Whitney Houston kid's myspaces))
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 09:44 PM by philosophie_en_rose
There warn't no Myspace when I was a young'un. :P


http://thetrack.bostonherald.com/moreTrack/view.bg?articleid=125746 Here's a story about Bobby Brown's kids - who make Kelly and Jack Osbourne look like Sandra Dee.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:18 PM
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43. There are also parents
who let their 15 year old and their boyfriend/girlfriend sleep over the house with the theory that we know they're having sex, we know we can't stop them, so let's have them have sex in our clean house/bed, where we know they have condoms and are safe rather than in a park, car, or friend's house.

It's not a decision I'd make, but I know it's happening in my neighborhood and all over the country.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:46 PM
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49. there are also parents that allow drug use in the house.
If they choose to make that choice, they're taking a serious risk. I don't disagree that parents have the right to make parenting choices. However, they're really enabling dangerous behavior. If there aren't legal consequences, there could be others - STDs, pregnancy, addiction, etc.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 10:08 PM
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55. I wouldn't do it either philo
but I know families that do and their justification is just what you said. Their daughter is less likely to get an STD or get pregnant if they invite the 16 year old boyfriend to spend the night with her, make sure he has condoms, get to know him, and serve him breakfast in the morning.

Seems like the cnversation would be kinda weird in the morning while serving pancakes. So Jimmy, did you two sleep well last night? "Yeah Tammy's great Mrs. Jones, thanks for letting me sleep over. See you next Friday."
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 10:14 PM
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58. It doesn't make sense to me.
Being in the house while hitting yourself upside the head with a hammer isn't going to stop your head from imploding. The only benefit to having your parents around is that it kills the mood. :) Or maybe they can call the police when you overdose.

I'm with you. If I were a parent, I'd want to know what my child was doing. However, I'd also want to encourage him or her be safe and smart. No sane adult would voluntarily meet a minor for sex. I would hope that my child would believe that they're worth more than some pedophile's sex toy.
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:58 PM
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21. (Refer to my post #19)
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 06:06 PM
Response to Reply #11
24. You don't see the difference between a High School senior having sex
with his girlfriend a year or two younger, and a 30 or 40something guy picking up a teenager?

Were you ever in high school, yourself? You mean to tell me you didn't know ANY 18 year olds who were having sex with people who hadn't turned 18 yet, themselves??
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:54 PM
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34. Again, fact not in evidence...
why do you need to assume this was a guy a bit older than the girl? Why?

Dude is in jail. That says a lot.

Don't take me and others here to task over a fact that isn't even in evidence. It's just rude and inconsiderate of those of us that are disturbed by the nature of this. Frankly I'm getting disturbed wondering why some of you need to assume somebody is giving this guy the shaft.

This isn't the first time I've seen a thread where people are defending people that have sex with children. The fact that happens on what is supposed to be a progressive board is mind boggling.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 10:11 PM
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 10:23 PM
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61. Because it was brought up in the context of
this situation--which clearly didn't state the guy was 17. Just interesting to me that so many people (guys) come here and want to 'wonder' if he was and take it where it went.

I'm not going to apologize for defending the rights of a fifteen year old girl. Maybe it is you who should apologize for telling me to 'give it a rest' and accusing me of 'putting words in other's mouths' or accusing you of being in line with the Catholic Church. Clearly out of line.

As a woman, it gets really tiresome to see threads where someone is accused of wrongdoing with a child, or a crime of rape of a woman, only to see a bunch of threads like I've seen here today (and on past threads with similiar subject matter). I feel that it's dismissive of the facts that are there. I feel that it's dismissive of women and children's rights.

Kindly don't fault me for calling people on what they say or the patterns I've seen as far as this subject matter is concerned.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #24
48. statutory rape is usually a strict liability crime.
It doesn't matter why it happened. As long as he knew her age and had sex with her, he's technically guilty. I think it would matter to a jury, though. Also, the girl in the story above was years younger than the suspect. If he's an adult and she's 14, then your scenario doesn't matter.

If a high school senior had sex with someone, many states require that there is a certain amount of difference between the ages. For instance, it could be a crime to have sex with anyone under the age of 18 that is more than X years younger than the adult.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #48
52. Thank you
philosophie_en_rose. :pals: :hug:
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:35 PM
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14. only 12.5 years
that isn't nearly enough. I would think life.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:38 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. Thank you!
That's what I was thinking... seems awfully light, seeing how she pimped out her own child. :puke:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 05:50 PM
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18. The article does not say that
It says a 15 year old was meeting people on the internet and hooked up with one. We don't know his age or anything else about him. We certainly don't know that the mother was taking money for the arrangement. Maybe she was near 16 and this guy was 18 and a dang site better than other guys she hooked up with, who knows. There isn't enough info in this story to make any judgment on what actually happened.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:44 PM
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31. I didn't say the mother took money...
My use of the word 'pimping' really should not be the issue here. An adult giving permission for a child to have sex is disgusting and in that sense equal to pimping. Period.

If this guy is in jail, which the article states, that is enough for me to choose to state my feelings about it. This is how I feel about it. You may feel another way, which you are entitled to.

I'm getting really tired of people trying to tell other people how to think and feel on this board... :mad: It's inconsiderate and frankly rude. I don't tell anyone how to think, what to feel, etc. I'd like the same consideration I give.

This is a progressive board for chrissakes--a place where I would think people give a shit about women and children. If I want to be pissed about this, I should be allowed to do so without taking as much crap from all of you.

It's interesting that with so few facts in evidence, so many on this thread want to assume that it's the guy that's getting the raw end of the deal instead of the fifteen year old girl. What the hell is that about?

You think how you want about this, I'll think differently. Thanks.

Oh and thank you ALL for trying to make me feel shitty for standing up and being outraged about the treatment of a child. I hope you are all proud. :mad: Thanks again--not!
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:37 PM
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39. 12 posts of your opinion
And yet people who try to point out the facts in the article are the ones who are inconsiderate and rude.

I don't know how old you are, but plenty of 15-16 years olds are engaged in voluntary sex, in case you are somehow unaware. Plenty of the girls have sex with 18 year olds. Way too many 18 and 19 year old boys have had their lives ruined because of having consensual sex. I don't know what the circumstances were in this case and won't pass judgment until I do.

I have no idea how any of this is an attempt to make you feel shitty. It is just an attempt to present some details you might not have thought of, that's all.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:40 PM
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47. Edited for clarity--
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 10:03 PM by bliss_eternal
Age isn't relevant here and I don't know why you seem to need to bring up mine and everyone else's today.

Yes of course there are fifteen year olds that have voluntary sex. If that comes into this case, I will deal with that at that time.

At this time however, I'm dealing with and reacting to the fact that the law states fifteen year olds don't have voluntary sex with men. Period.

Not ONCE have you said a thing about the poor girl. Not once. The facts about her ARE in evidence here and yet you go on and on and on,ad nauseum making assumptions about the guy we don't even know to be true. It's hard to take into account anything else you have to say when you've been so dismissive of a young girl that was victimized.
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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:10 PM
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27. where did you get that idea?
You seem to be reacting to what you want the story to be, instead of what the (horribly written and incomplete) report actually says.

We don't know how old the other guy is or appears. We don't know if she knew his age or had reason to question his being any older than her daughter (if he's 20 and looks 16, that's a huge difference from his being 40 and looking it). Those are two very important points that the report excluded but which you are assuming on your own with no reason in order to rush to condemning her.

You haven't the slightest reason to say she "pimped out her own child." You're just making stuff up there to be indignant about.

Look, we can all agree that the guy is a piece of shit; he met a 15-year-old girl online, had sex with her multiple times, and then went around telling everyone how he was having sex with a 15-year-old. He's definitely a pervert, but whether the mother had reason to believe in the slightest that she was allowing her daughter to be with a pervert (or even just a much older man) is unable to be known from this poor report.

Assuming for the moment that the mother thought the guy was at most 18 because he looks young, she was certainly at the very least careless; if she had been absolutely on top of everything, she would've found out the guy's true age. Whether she was being unusually negligent in that case and warrants punishment is for the courts to decide, but until then, let's not jump to the unwarranted conclusion that she "pimped out her own child."
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. I'm reacting to the fact that he is in jail.
Would he be in jail if he was a guy in his late teens or early twenties? Maybe, maybe not.

I think it is you reading more into my comments and the story than is actually there, than it is me doing so.

Be offended by my statements if you choose to. But I have a right to say what I did. My choice of words is merely semantics.

I get sick of people on this board defending criminal acts against women and children. Despite what is or isn't said in this particular article, there have been too many times I've seen people here defending crimes against women and children, when many facts were provided that clearly state a crime is being committed.There will still be a group that comes out and defends the guy, no matter what--Frankly I'm sick of it.

You seem to be looking for a reason to give this guy some latitude. That's your right and choice. Until I am presented with evidence that shows anything is any different, I choose to be pissed and say this woman is disgusting and the guy is a pedophile. Period.

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progdonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:10 PM
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35. giving the GUY latitude?!
Where did I say the guy was anything less than a pervert? In the discussion of his age, I'm not exculpating him in the slightest, but rather asking whether the mother should've had reason to think he was over 18. We don't know.

Would he be in jail if he was a guy in his late teens or early twenties? Maybe, maybe not.

I agree, but that has nothing to do with my post. They do refer to him as a man, therefore he must be above 18, which means he committed statutory rape and boasted about it. He's scum. I said nothing different in my post.

My question is whether the mother knew he was an adult or had reason to suspect he was. If he looks 16, why should the mother be suspicious that he's with her 15-year-old? There's nothing in the report to indicate she knew he was over 18. As I said in my post, whether that makes her negligent is for the courts to decide, but saying she was pimping out her daughter is entirely unfounded.

Be offended by my statements if you choose to. But I have a right to say what I did.

I wasn't offended by your statements. Again, I think you failed to read what I actually wrote and assumed on your own what I meant, since I certainly wasn't "offended" by your saying she was pimping out her daughter. Of course you have the right to say it, I'm just pointing out it's at best premature to employ such incendiary language when so little is known of the actual circumstances.

Until I am presented with evidence that shows anything is any different, I choose to be pissed and say this woman is disgusting....

Let's just throw out presumption of innocence then, shall we? Until we find out that, say, this guy's 25 but you yourself would swear he was 16, let's just assume the mother's guilty of whoring out her daughter and grab the torches and pitchforks. What if she asked to see his driver's license, and it showed his age to be 17 (and he looked it) but turned out to be a forgery? Of course, there's no indication of that from the incredibly short article, but neither is there any indication that she was knowingly whoring the child out to a middle-aged pervert, or something.

All I'm saying is that we should refrain from condemning the mother as some sort of abomination of Nature before the courts decide what the reality of the situation is, especially when we ourselves know so little of the facts of the case. It could very well be that the guy is 60-years-old and looks it, wanted to have sex with this woman's daughter, and the mother said, "Sure, I don't care," but we don't know his real or apparent age, nor do we know what measures the mother took or failed to take to discover it for herself. Until we do, there's no reason to assume the worst of her or condemn her for what you want her to be guilty of.

I don't want to get into a flame war, but I'm now much more convinced that you're not really reading what anyone has actually written, but rather assuming they're defending the rape of children just so you can get indignant. Both of us are completely ignorant of the facts of this case, but whereas my response is to presume innocence on her part and leave it to the courts, yours is to presume guilt and proceed to condemn the mother for crimes you have no evidence she committed.
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:24 PM
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38. Are you even reading what YOU are saying?
Quote:

All I'm saying is that we should refrain from condemning the mother as some sort of abomination of Nature before the courts decide what the reality of the situation is, especially when we ourselves know so little of the facts of the case. It could very well be that the guy is 60-years-old and looks it, wanted to have sex with this woman's daughter, and the mother said, "Sure, I don't care," but we don't know his real or apparent age, nor do we know what measures the mother took or failed to take to discover it for herself. Until we do, there's no reason to assume the worst of her or condemn her for what you want her to be guilty of.


Your words really make light of this. It is a mother's job to protect their child. Period. Think about that before you start chastising me about my need to as you say 'get indignant.' The fact is you and others are assuming or trying to assume things that are also not evident to us. Which is interesting.

A mother's role in a fifteen year old's life is to guide, protect, teach--not give guys opportunities to sleep with them. That is what I take issue with. I'm frankly shocked that more here are not taking issue with that and going to such great pains to 'assume' things not in evidence about the guy, or the mother.

Let's assume a crime was committed or the guy may not have his sorry ass in jail. Let's assume the mother betrayed the child by giving permission for ANYONE to have sex with her, regardless of age, looks, etc.

I'm completely fine with my moral compass. I really don't care if you are, if you think I'm jumping to judgement too quickly. You go right ahead and make excuses for a mother that didn't protect her child from a stranger and gave the ok to sleep with her, regardless of his age or what age he looks like. If you're ok with that, good for you.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:52 PM
Response to Reply #28
41. He hasn't even been convicted
He faces $100,000 fine and 40 years in prison.

I wonder if it's this Aaron Corkill, who was 17 in 2001. Keep in mind, we don't know when "the man" started seeing the girl. If it's the same Aaron Corkill though, we've got a 21 year old facing 40 years in prison for having sex with a girl he may not have even known was underage. That happens in the real world, AlL THE TIME. The ones who are lucky enough to escape prison time, have to register as sex offenders for the rest of their lives. This is a real problem in sex offender laws that needs to be fixed.

http://film.guardian.co.uk/Reader_Review/0,4163,-84983,00.html
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:17 PM
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42. You so desperately need to believe
Edited on Sun Feb-19-06 09:19 PM by bliss_eternal
that a man is being wronged, that you would go find an Aaron Corkill that happened to be 17 in 2001. Unbelievable. Maybe you could expend the same energy looking up how this is endangering a child's welfare and look at it from that perspective. Otherwise, this "oh, poor guy--how old is he--the man is taking down an innocent" crap isn't flying here.

I also did an internet search. I found some other Aaron Corkill's. I'm sure there are many more Aaron Corkill's out there in the world.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=local&id=3920170

Mom accused of allowing man to have sex with 15-year-old daughter
February 18, 2006 (RACINE, Wis.) - A Racine County woman is accused of giving a man permission to have sex with her 15-year-old daughter.

The mother was charged with failing to prevent mental harm to a child. The man, Aaron Corkill of Tucson, Arizona, was charged with second-degree sexual assault of a child yesterday.
According to a criminal complaint, Corkill met the girl and her mother last year, and he came to Wisconsin earlier this month and asked the girl's mother for permission to have sex with her daughter.

The complaint says the mother told him they could have sex as long as he wore a condom.

(Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:32 PM
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45. I just put the name in google
To try and clarify the facts. That's all. You've misstated the facts twice, at least. Once when you said the mother was pimping out her daughter, which clearly wasn't true. And once when you said the suspect was in jail, which also isn't true, he hasn't even been convicted. You jumped to conclusions which weren't presented and now you're too embarrassed to admit it.

I don't know what happened, but I know justice can be pretty hazy when it comes to teen-agers and sex. I also don't know what the previous problems this mother presented either. Maybe her conviction has more to do with repeated episodes of bad parenting than the male involved in the situation. Maybe that's why she wasn't convicted of pimping her daughter. Lots of possibilities.

I don't know why the truth isn't your priority.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:47 PM
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:59 PM
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53. Just because I don't share your priority
doesn't mean the truth isn't mine.

I could say the same about you--the fact is not in evidence that this guy IS the age you want to think he is.

The fact is in evidence that his mother offered consent to sleep with her, which suggests the girl would be of an age where his having sex with her would not be legal or appropriate.

Why isn't THAT simple truth YOUR priority?
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bliss_eternal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 10:12 PM
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57. I'm not embarassed--
I dislike the fact that you are arguing for things that aren't in evidence and projecting that onto me.

I also dislike the fact that you've said very little about the victim, and don't seem at all concerned about her. That you SEEM all too willing to write off this situation as consensual sex.

Should you really be labelling anyone else as embarassed given this...?
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:23 PM
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37. AND WHY ARE THESE BULLSHIT STORIES BEING POSTED ON DU?
:thumbsdown:
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:50 PM
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51. Because there's a little 'x' to block threads you dislike.
:thumbsdown:
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 10:24 PM
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62. Locking.
Thread's veered off to a series of personal arguments.

Thanks for your consideration.
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