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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:11 PM
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ABLE DANGER and the 9/11 Whitewash.
On Wednesday, February 15th, 2006, LTC Anthony Shaffer submitted an amazing written statement detailing his involvement with ABLE DANGER to Congress. You can download a PDF of the statement here, and I have made an HTML version here. For those people who are new to the ABLE DANGER (AD), story, I can't think of a better starting point.

The idea was to take the 'best and brightest' military operators, intelligence officers, technicians and planners from the Special Operations Command (SOCOM), the U.S. Army and the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), in an entrepreneurial endeavor, much like bringing the best minds and capabilities from Ford Motor Company, General Motors and Daimler-Chrysler to focus on a single challenge. In the case of ABLE DANGER, the challenge was to discover the global 'body' of Al Qaeda - then, with this knowledge, prepare military and intelligence "options" that would be supported by the "actionable information" that was being produced by the project. - Prepared Statement Of LTC Shaffer, 2/15/06.


That was the idea.

And they had successes. Most notoriously identifying a threat in Yemen that may have saved lives in the USS Cole bombing, and identifying Mohammed Atta prior to 9/11; this once again reiterated in the February 15th Congressional hearing by a contractor, James D. Smith, who worked at Orion Scientific Systems in Viginia;

During the Orion support (on or about 25 October 1999 to 04 August 2000), James Smith delivered multiple open-source task order visual charts and printed support documentation that identified "linkages" or "associations" of people of interest and events including timeline charts, and historical events visual charts, as defined by the U.S. Army INSCOM interests. James Smith was the Task Lead/Program Manager/Business Developer for this support effort during the identified timeframe. Detailed analytical support was supplied by a variety of experienced analysts on a, "per task/availability" schedule. Produced within James Smith's support timeframe (to the best of his recollection) was a visual chart that identified associates of known terrorists (Omar Abdul Rahman) within the New York City geographical area (name of the visual chart is not documented within current notes); Mohamed Atta's picture and association with Rahman was on the chart. Several of these visual charts were printed and due to the size of the charts (approximately 41/2' X 5') in size, printing irregularities would result. Several of these charts addressing multiple topics were retained by JD Smith and turned over to Representative Curt Weldon. James Smith's copy of the chart containing the picture of Mohamed Atta was destroyed in an office move in 2004. - Prepared Statement Of James D. Smith, 2/15/06


I think it's time to accept this fact, they did ID Atta. Smith went on to say that there are two other Intelligence contractors willing to sign affadavits saying that yes, that was Atta, not some "other Atta".

Shaffer's prepared statement is packed with explosive details...

My veteran ABLE DANGER colleagues and I share the common fear that the seeds of the next 9-11 attack have already been sewn - and that much of the critical data that was harvested for the ABLE DANGER project, that could be used again now in the search for sleeper cells and others that matched the "Atta" profile is now gone - destroyed at the direction of DoD officials in the 2000 timeframe. You have heard from Eric Kleinsmith of his work on ABLE DANGER, and his receiving direction to "destroy the data and background documents or go to jail" - which he did. However, it must be noted that despite citing AR 380-10 as the "authority" for this action, the DoD lawyer is wrong and, worse, deceptive. There are two exceptions that allow the retention of U.S. person information - both of those were met by then MAJ Kleinsmith - yet lawyers directed that he destroy the data anyway. Those exceptions are:

2. Publicly available information. Information may be collected about a United States person if it is publicly available.

3( c ) Persons or organizations reasonably believed to be engaged or about to engage, in international terrorist or international narcotics

Therefore, there was no "legal" reason for the directive that the ABLE DANGER information and charts be destroyed then. So then, what was the real reason? What is the real justification for these documents - this critical data - to have been destroyed? Embarrassment and political CYA to protect themselves from accountability for their bad, and in this case, fatal decisions, made in 2001 regarding ABLE DANGER. - Prepared Statement Of LTC Shaffer, 2/15/06.


In his testimony, Shaffer relates that the CIA was uncooperative with AD because if AD was successful, it would "steal CIA's thunder".

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Shaffer has been perpetually harrassed by the DIA ever since he went to the 9/11 Commission and gave a briefing to Zelikow and other 9/11 staffers at Bagram AFB in Afghanistan in late 2003;

There is no incentive for the bureaucrats to change - and instead of embracing change, and being accountable to their actions, they obfuscate and inveigle and hide their own failures. In my specific instance, DIA has been allowed by DoD to make an "example" of me to try and intimidate the others from coming forward by spending what we now estimate $2 million in an effort to discredit and malign me by creating false allegations, and using these false allegations to justify revocation of my Top Secret security clearance. How can it be that we, as a country at war, have such officers in the government who are more concerned about suppressing the truth than winning the war? How many sets of body armor, or enhanced protection for military vehicles in Iraq or Afghanistan would $2 million buy? - Prepared Statement Of LTC Shaffer, 2/15/06.


This goes way beyond partisan politics. This about a defense establishment that will not come clean about what happened on 9/11, from the history of the "Afhan Arabs" to overlapping Intelligence operations that shared different agendas.

It's time to accept the fact that the 9/11 Commission crafted a political document in the "Final Report". It is clearly not a reference volume for serious research regarding the events of 9/11.

The omission of AD from the Final Report is but one in a long list of items that didn't fit the narrative the Commission sought to cobble together;

What happened to those reports that surfaced within months of September 11th stating that 7 or more of the alleged hijackers had come forward and claimed that they were victims of stolen identities, they were alive and well, living in Saudi Arabia, Morocco and Tunisia? Why did the Commission choose not even to address this?

What about the terrorist Omar Said Sheikh? Now sitting in a Pakistani prison on charges of participating in the kidnapping and murder of Wall Street Journal's Daniel Pearl. According to Indian intelligence, this man received orders from a Pakistani General to transfer $100,000 to Mohammed Atta. People all over the world are talking about this story. But not a word about it in the Report.

What about Osama bin Laden and his role in the Mujahadin backed by the CIA in the 1980's to fight the Soviets? The Commission didn't go there. - Rep. Cynthia McKinney, 7/22/2005


McKinney has been an invaluable asset regarding the pursuit of the truth regarding the events of 9/11. She is deeply entrenched with Weldon on this issue, and is sure to keep the normally rabidly partisan Weldon on the straight and narrow.

As to Zelikow and his whitewash, McKinney and Shaffer are hardly alone in their assessment, but Shaffer's testimony bears special scrutiny;

During my first meeting with Congressman Weldon I was asked some questions about what became of the overall ABLE DANGER effort - he had heard some details from Capt Phillpott in their first meeting (that preceded my meeting with the Congressman by several days) - he asked me to provide my details - which I did. I gave him the same basic SECRET level briefing I had given the 9/11 Commission on Oct of 2003 at Bagram, AFG. During the briefing, Congressman Weldon asked Russ Caso, his chief of staff, to call the 9/11 commission and find out if they (the 9/11 commission) had ever heard of ABLE DANGER. Mr. Caso left the room and called Chris Cojm at the 9/11 Discourse Project and asked him if they had ever "heard of something called ABLE DANGER". Chris quickly checked and told Russ "Yes - we had heard of it" - Russ then asked him why they had not put it in their final report - Cojm's answer was this "it did not fit with the story we wanted to tell". Russ came back in and told Congressman Weldon and me of the comment. Both Congressman Weldon and I could not hide our astonished looks at hearing the news. This was the beginning of the investigation as to why ABLE DANGER information was not examined or included in the 9/11 report that has brought us to where we are today. - Prepared Statement Of LTC Shaffer, 2/15/06.


If you have a copy of the 9/11 Commission's Final Report, I strongly recommend that you consider it's alternative use; many months' worth of bird-cage liner. If it's the Truth that you seek, you may be better off purchasing this volume.

But I digress...

Former CIA analyst Mel Goodman has been very critical of the "balanced partisanship" of the 9/11 Commission, and offered his testimony for the Congressional record last summer;

Let me briefly look at the Commission itself... what this country needed was an independent, non-partisan commission. The Commission wasn't non-partisan, it was presented to us as bi-partisan; but when you appoint a group of people, 5 Democrats and 5 Republicans, that is certainly not non-partisan, and I would argue that it's not even bi-partisan, it's balanced partisanship. And you look at the Commission's report, time and time again, to see where the Democrats on the Commission checked the views of the Republicans checked the views of the Democrats, so forget this notion that this was some sort of bi-partisan commission, it wasn't, it was balanced partisanship, and it did a great deal of harm to the final product.

Also if you look at the makeup of the Commission here you have an insufficiency in the kinds of people who were picked to be on the Commission, and I'm not going to look at the Commission members one by one, but the fact of the matter is this is a group of people without any intelligence experience at all. This is not a group of people -- not one individual on this Commission had ever received a President's Daily Briefing report, had never been involved as a consumer of intelligence, had very little understanding, and that was particularly true of one of the chairmen, the Governor from New Jersey, who admitted he had no understanding of the intelligence community whatsoever.

So there was insufficient stature, insufficient experience, insufficient knowledge of intelligence, and this was totally relevant to what needed to be done. It would have been very easy to get a Blue Ribbon commission. Where were people such as Sam Nunn, William Perry, George Schultz, General Brent Scowcroft, Bill Bradley, David Boren, Gary Hart, even Warren Rudman. People who had served on the intelligence committees, who had studied the problem of intelligence and policy very closely and may have had a contribution to make on the importance of change on the intelligence community. - Mel Goodman, 7/22/2005.


Major omissions and factual errors abound in the Final Report. In her testimony last year, "Jersey Girl" Lorie Van Auken whittled the Final Report from a fencepost to a matchstick: here she names some names;

The 9/11 Commission summarily blames the failure to connect the two dots of the Phoenix Memo and Zacarias Moussaoui's file on the FBI's institutional misunderstanding of the Reno wall, and the agency's inherent inability to share information across and throughout its ranks.

What is missing from this analysis and rather facile conclusion was that it was two individuals, who worked together, and not a 'misunderstanding of the Reno wall', that is to blame for the failure of the FBI to receive a FISA warrant in the case of Zacarias Moussaoui. It is likewise those same individuals who are responsible for the Phoenix Memo being downplayed and all but ignored.

FBI supervisor David Frasca and his underling, Michael Maltbie failed to permit FBI agents to request a FISA warrant for Moussaoui but also altered the agent's initial request for it. Specifically, on August 28th, 2001, Maltbie edited the Minnesota FBI's request for a FISA warrant to search Zacarias Moussaoui's possessions. The Minnesota FBI's field office wanted to prove that Moussaoui was connected to Al Qaeda through a rebel group in Chechnya. But the RFU agent Maltbie removed the information connecting the Chechen rebels to Al Qaeda.

Subsequently, the FBI General Counsel who received the edited request, scrubbed clean of any international terrorist ties, decided that there wasn't enough of a connection between Moussaoui and Al Qaeda to allow for an application for a search warrant through FISA.

Thus, a FISA warrant was never even applied for. - Lorie Van Auken 7/22/2005


Shaffer, with literally nothing left to lose career-wise, is also naming names;

As one of the reports in the press commented last year regarding the story, there are "bad guys" who were not held accountable for their failures. There were those who were fearful of what we were doing who played politics and shortchanged the nation in both their duty and loyalty to the country, and in the end they put their career ahead of doing the right thing.

Mr. William Huntington, who was just promoted to serve as the Deputy Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, who after becoming the Deputy Director of HUMINT in the early 2001 timeframe passed the buck. When I attempted to brief him on the DORHAWK GALLEY project, to include information on the ABLE DANGER project that was specific portions of the ABLE DANGER methodology to sort through and separate U.S. Person information from Foreign Intelligence information, refused to hear the briefing, announcing that "I can't be here, I can't see this" as he left his office and refused to hear the information. By doing this, he could later feign ignorance of the project should it have been compromised to the public. It is my belief that he is an example of the cultural problem - senior bureaucrats who are more focused on their own career and having "plausible deniability" to never allow anything "controversial or risky" to "touch them". It is of grave concern that Mr. Huntington is the one who is behind the troubling coincidence regarding my security clearance being suspended in March of 2004, just after reporting to my DIA chain of command (to include Mr. Huntington) of my contact with the 9-11 commission, and my offer to share the ABLE DANGER information to the 9-11 commission. I would question the judgment of DIA's leadership to offer Mr. Huntington up as its "expert" on ABLE DANGER based on his earlier refusal to deal with this issue in 2001. Further, I have direct knowledge of two officers - one a senior DoD civilian, the other a senior active duty military officer - both former members of Defense HUMINT - that Mr. Huntington directed them to lie to congress to conceal the true scope and nature of problems within Defense HUMINT. Both refused his directive to lie and are no longer members of Defense HUMINT. Mr. Huntington's conduct speaks for itself. - Prepared Statement Of LTC Shaffer, 2/15/06.


Ladies and gentlemen, we are way beyond the looking glass here.

I urge you join Danny Schecter's call to demand Press Coverage of ABLE DANGER

This is bad.



Recommended reading:

The 9/11 Commission Report One Year Later; Did the Commission Get it Right?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:16 PM
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1. Done and rec'd! Also, send an e-mail to: events@c-span.org! nt
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:43 PM
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2. i tried 4 times to send message and got internal error message.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:47 PM
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3. Drop the ! from the email address.
I think that's the problem.
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 12:31 AM
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8. i didn't have a ! in my e-mail, but i just tried it again and it worked.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 08:54 PM
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4. kcik
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 09:13 PM
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5. As far as documentation, naming names, and as one of the most
damning things about 9/11 are the various reports about Israeli art students. This is a lengthy article that deserves close scrutiny today linking suspicious movements of Israelis with military and intelligence backgrounds and the activity of Al Qaeda cells before, during, and after 9/11.


The Israeli Art Students And Movers Story by Wayne Madsen
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/Artstudents.htm
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 10:31 PM
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6. THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A MILITARY ORDER
BUDDY BUDDY
http://www.gsnmagazine.com.nyud.net:8090/images/aug_05/atta.jpg
DO THE MATH

24 MINUTES

THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A MILITARY ORDER
WATCH THIS VIDEO

http://www.bushflash.com/buddy.html
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-19-06 11:13 PM
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7. Kicked, recommended, bookmarked!
Thank YOU.
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 12:38 AM
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9. this is really scary stuff. i've tried to ignore the conspiracy
theories, but so many things keep coming to the surface.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 11:25 AM
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18. its only takes two people to commit a conspiracy...
Edited on Mon Feb-20-06 11:26 AM by flyarm
and every conspiracy that is exposed started off as a conspiracy theory..never ignore conspiracy theorys..its the only way we get to the truth...

9/11 was a conspiracy

and the only way the people involved can shut out the truth is to call all the questions ..conspiracy theories...

we must all get over this conspiracy theory fear...

those that exposed watergate..were called conspiracy theorists!!

same for Iran contra..

same for the gulf of tonkin...

those that question ..are the true patriots and truth seekers..

fly
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 12:44 AM
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10. holy shit. not even 5 minutes after i submitted my Able Danger
and i had e-mails popping up from various news agencies. of course, there computer- generated, but it was amazing.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 01:26 AM
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11. kcik
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 04:41 AM
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12. K&R n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 04:53 AM
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13. We know Zelikow is dirty because he ghost wrote a book for
Condi Rice.

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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 07:02 AM
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15. More from Goodman, on Zelikow.
"But the most important individual to me other than a commissioner, was the Staff Director, Philip Zelikow. And his conflicts of interest were so great that you do have to wonder why this individual was appointed to head this important staff of over 80 people. He had very strong ties to the George Herbert Walker Bush Administration, very strong personal and political policy ties to Condoleeza Rice. But more importantly, Philip Zelikow was running the case study program at Harvard which took millions of dollars from the CIA over a 10 year period to write case studies on the CIA, to establish a record that was essentially untrue with the facts about the work of the CIA, and of course the classic case study that Philip Zelikow chaired along with Ernest May at the Harvard-Kennedy School was the case on the Soviet Union, how the CIA got it right, you know, the politics of getting it right.

And of course as we all know, one of the greatest disasters of the politicization of intelligence that occurred even before the Iraq war, was over the politicization of intelligence on the Soviet Union. And who did Philip Zelikow bring in to the staff structure as the team leader on his staff but Douglas McKaken, who was serving a tour up at the Harvard-Kennedy School.

And who was Douglas McKaken?

Douglas McKaken was the head of the Soviet analysis shop during the 1980s who was responsible for most of the politicization of intelligence. So here you have Philip Zelikow from Harvard and the case study program and Douglas McKaken as a team leader on Zelikow's staff making serious decisions about the need for change within the intelligence community."
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 11:28 AM
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19. Zelikow was also on the * transition team ..and was the gatekeeper
Edited on Mon Feb-20-06 11:30 AM by flyarm
of all white house intel that went to the 9/11 commission!

and the jersey wives tried their best to get him kicked off the commission because of conflict of interest...

most americans slept through that!!

nd our so called media did a number on the jersey wives to demonize them to the american public...

"WHEN WILL WE EVER LEARN? WHEN WILL WE EVERRRR LEARN?????"

fly
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 04:58 AM
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14. Kick.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 09:26 AM
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16. CORRECTION
CORRECTION:The call for media coverage is by mediachannel.org
http://www.mediachannel.org/mv21.shtml

(Through the Media for Democracy project.)

Wikipedia's list of the 9/11 Commissioners: 5 Republicans, 5 Democrats
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Commission
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 11:32 AM
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20. AND MOST OF THE COMMISSIONERS HAD CONFLICTS..
most do business with saudi arabian weatlhy family members of the house of saud...

just check the back ground of kean..and Ben Vineste...see who they do business with!!

fly
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 03:53 PM
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26. I'd say Ben-Veniste and Max Cleland were the only ones who
made ANY effort to uncover WHY 9/11 really happened, and the Bush regime's culpability.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 01:48 AM
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41. max cleland i will agree with ..not ben veniste..
Edited on Tue Feb-21-06 01:49 AM by flyarm
look at ben veniste's conflicts..they should be disturbing to all!

and forget Bob Kerry...he is a piece of garbage!

i did a round table at univ of tampa ..one of only 15 chosen to do a q&a...he answered nothing..he in fact would not even respond to any of my questions...and my husband was also one of the 15..we were in the front within a couple feet of kerry..

i had just retired from American Airlines as a crew member..i was 2001 flight attend of the yr for the New York base in 2001...

i was asking very important questions..insiders questions..and i had my husband prepped to ask 2 questions..i had three that i had prepared , and connected so i would get all the questions in..
the room was filled with professors and phd's..and media...kerry did not answer one of my questions..
he went into silence..as did the room..
when he did not answer one of my questions..you could see kerry was very disturbed..and shook up...

then it was my husbands turn and my husband was furious that kerry didn't answer any of my questions..they were very valid..and very explicit..and detailed..

there are people on both sides of the isle that do not want Americans to have knowledge ..nor do they want Americans to ask questions..

it does not have to go to tin foil stuff..simple questions will take you to the place of knowing the commission was nothing but white wash..and simple questions with no answers will make anyone know this nation was lied to ..and murder was committed with the help of this government!

fly
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 09:48 AM
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17. A half dozen questions about 9/11 they don't want you to ask.
Who Is Osama? Where Did He Come From? How Did He Escape? What About Those Anthrax Attacks?

A Half-Dozen Questions About 9/11 They Don't Want You to Ask

By WERTHER

The events of September 11, 2001 evoke painful memories, tinged with a powerful nostalgia for the way of life before it happened. The immediate tragedy caused a disorientation sufficient to distort the critical faculties in the direction of retrospectively predictable responses: bureaucratic adaptation, opportunism, profiteering, kitsch sentiment, and mindless sloganeering.

SNIP

While initially received as definitive by a rapturous official press, the 9/11 Report has been overtaken by reality, not only because of unsatisfying content--like all "independent" government reports, it is fundamentally an apology and a coverup masquerading as an exposé--but because we now know more: more about the feckless invasion of Iraq, more about the occupation of Afghanistan and the purported hunt for Osama bin Laden, more about the post-9/11 stampede to repeal elements of the Bill of Rights, more about the rush to create the Department of Homeland Security, an agency to "prevent another 9/11," which, in retrospect, is plainly about cronyism, contracts, and Congressional boodle.

Many of the amateur sleuths of the 9/11 mystery have based their investigations on microscopic forensics regarding the publicly released video footage, or speculations into the physics of impacting aircraft or collapsing buildings. But staring too closely at the recorded traces of subatomic phenomena involved in a one-time event can deceive us into finding the answer we are looking for, as Professor Heisenberg once postulated. Over 40 years on, the Magic Bullet is still the Magic Bullet: improbable, yes, but not outside the realm of the possible.

But there is surprisingly little discussion of the basic higher-order political factors surrounding 9/11, factors that do not require knowledge of the melting point of girder steel or the unknowable piloting abilities of the presumed perpetrators. Let us proceed, then, in a spirit of detached scientific inquiry, to ask questions the 9/11 Commission was unprepared to ask.

Continued at:
http://www.counterpunch.org/werther02182006.html
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 11:49 AM
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21. osama was our "boy"..look into the guy who set up the cells...
Edited on Mon Feb-20-06 11:51 AM by flyarm
he was in our military under papa *..while being on the most wanted list..and on his R&R's he would go and work in training camps in Afganistan...for the mujahideen..with al queada and osama...he also worked with the CIA ..he married a gal he met on his flight to usa..to get citzenship...all under papa *...all while being on the State Dept most wanted list!!

his name...ALI MOHAMED...he was an Egypitan Army officer implicated in the murder of Anwar Sadat...and under Papa * he not only got into this country but he got into our U.S. Army...he had previously worked as a security advisor to Egypt Airlines....he trained the cells and the hijackers..

he was tied to the Hezbollah cell in Germany...

the CIA had hired him on a probationary basis ..until they found out he had unauthorized contacts with the Hezbollah

it was in 1986 he immigrated to the USA..while being on the State dept watch list!

he was based at fort bragg...in the army..while on the SD watch list..in 1986....

he designed the cells for Osama Bib Laden!

fly
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 12:25 PM
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22. The C.I.A. & The Muslim BrotherhoodHow the CIA set the stage for Sept11
Edited on Mon Feb-20-06 12:27 PM by seemslikeadream
Reverend Franklin Graham, the pugnacious preacher who delivered the prayer at President George W. Bush's 2001 inauguration, might have a bone to pick with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). When Franklin branded Islam "a very evil and wicked religion" after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, he had no idea that American spies were once eager to promote a Muslim leader in the Middle East modeled after his own father, the famous evangelist Billy Graham.

The CIA often works in mysterious ways - and so it was with this little-known cloak-and-dagger caper that set the stage for extensive collaboration between US intelligence and Islamic extremists. The genesis of this ill-starred alliance dates back to Egypt in the mid-1950s, when the CIA made discrete overtures to the Muslim Brotherhood, the influential Sunni fundamentalist movement that fostered Islamic militancy throughout the Middle East. What started as a quiet American flirtation with political Islam became a Cold War love affair on the sly - an affair that would turn out disastrously for the United States. Nearly all of today's radical Islamic groups, including al-Qaeda, trace their lineage to the Brotherhood.

.......

To understand what happened on that fateful day when terrorist strikes leveled the World Trade Center and damaged the Pentagon, one must revisit the turbulent changes that took place a half century earlier in the land of the sphinx. After seizing power in a 1952 military coup Egyptian Col. Gamal Abdul Nasser quickly threw prominent Communists in jail. This raised eyebrows among US cloak-and-dagger operatives who were eager to oblige when Nasser requested help in upgrading Egypt's ineffectual secret service. But the US government "found it highly impolitic to help him directly," the late CIA agent Miles Copeland acknowledged in his memoirs, The Game of Nations , so the CIA subcontracted more than a hundred German Third Reich vets, who specialized in Nazi security and interrogation techniques, to do the job.

.....

Copeland was off and running. He visited several Egyptian mosques in search of an Islamic preacher who could sway the Arab masses in a manner most congenial to US interests. Although Copeland never found the CIA's messiah, his furtive machinations were not without impact. While on the prowl for a Muslim Billy Graham, Copeland reached out to leaders of the religious revival movement known as the Ikhwan, or Muslim Brotherhood, which sought to build an Islamic society from the bottom up. The seeds of a clandestine relationship between the CIA and the Ikhwan were planted by Copeland, who surmised that the Muslim Brothers, by virtue of their strong antipathy to Arab nationalism as well as Communism, might be a viable counterweight to Nasser in the years ahead, US intelligence would become a defacto partner of the Brotherhood as it evolved from a mass-based social reform organization into the wellspring of Islamic terrorism.

By Martin A. Lee
RAZOR Magazine September, 2004 issue


article from Razor Magizine not on line will post more of it in new post because of copyrights
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 07:54 PM
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34. more from The Muslim Brotherhood
“The Muslim Brothers are at the root of a lot of our troubles,” says Col. W. Patrick Lang, one of several US intelligence veterans interviewed for this article . Formerly a high-ranking Middle East expert at the Defense Intelligence Agency Lang considers al-Qaeda to be “a descendent of the Brotherhood.

For many years, the American espionage establishment had operated on the assumption that Islam was inherently anti-communist and there fore could be harnessed to facilitate US objectives. American officials viewed the Muslim Brotherhood as “a secret weapon” in the shadow war against the Soviet Union and it’s Arab allies, according to Robert Baer, a retired CIA case officer who was right in the thick of things in the Middle East and Central Asia during his 21 year career as a spy. In Sleeping with the Devil, a book he wrote after quitting the CIA Baer explains how the United States “made common cause with the Brothers” and used them “to do our dirty work in Yemen, Afghanistan and plenty of other places”. This covert relationship; unraveled when the Cold War ended, whereupon an Islamic Frankenstein named Osama bin Laden lurched into existence.

Described by ex-CIA analyst Graham Fuller as “the preeminent international Islamist organization,” the Muslim Brotherhood currently has a huge following with autonomous branches, all in close contact, spread across the Arab world.
But it is banned in several countries, including Egypt, it’s birthplace, for being an alleged front for terrorists - a claim its supporters adamantly deny even though bin Laden and other al-Qaeda leaders had close personal ties to the Brotherhood prior to September 11, 2001
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:17 AM
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43. MORE
Before long, however, US officials grew wary of Nasser, who seemed like a loose cannon on the deck of Middle Eastern politics. A fervent pan-Arab nationalist, he rebuffed American appeals to join a neutralist coalition of Third World nations that favored an independent stance during the Cold War. Non-alignment in the East-West conflict was an abomination to CIA director Allen Dulles and he bristled at Nasser’s growing stature as a charismatic leader who could galvanize Arabs and Muslims far beyond Egypt, “If that colonel of yours pushes us too far, we will break him in half,” Dulles admonished Copeland, the CIA’s man-on-the-spot in Cairo.

Copeland pondered ways to knock the pesky Nasser off his pedestal. One scheme called for slipping the Egyptian president a surreptitious dose of LSD to induce bizarre public behavior that would discredit him and tarnish his heroic image. But this wasn’t feasible. Instead of an acid hit, American spies opted for pushing “the opiate of the masses,” as Karl Marx sp famously described religion.

There were notable precedents for marshaling religious sentiment to advance America” Cold War agenda . In 1948, the fledging CIA enlisted the cooperation of the Vatican and Catholic Action, the largest Catholic lay organization in Italy, in a successful campaign to deliver the vote and vanquish left-wing parties in a hotly contested Italian election. Although Muslims have no pope or authoritative religious hierarchy, CIA strategists figured they could win over Arab hearts and minds by manipulating Islamic piety. Copeland

Described by ex-CIA analyst Graham Fuller as “the preeminent international Islamist organization,” the Muslim Brotherhood currently has a huge following with autonomous branches, all in close contact, spread across the Arab world.
But it is banned in several countries, including Egypt, it’s birthplace, for being an alleged front for terrorists - a claim its supporters adamantly deny even though bin Laden and other al-Qaeda leaders had close personal ties to the Brotherhood prior to September 11, 2001.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 01:41 PM
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23. 1042-1952 Egypt: Nasser, NAZIs and the CIA
A BFEE rat, friends of the Dulles brothers and Prescott Bush, named Reinhard Gehlen.

1042-1952 Egypt: Nasser, NAZIs and the CIA

EXCERPT...

In 1952, with CIA help, Nasser overthrew Britain?s puppet ruler, King Farouk. To build Nasser?s spy and security forces, CIA boss Allen Dulles turned to Gen. Reinhard Gehlen, an ex-Nazi military intelligence chief, who then worked for the CIA.

CONTINUED ARCHIVE SOURCE:
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:0oQFNXdPbZUJ:coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/issue51/articles/51_08.pdf+muslim-brother+%2B+cia&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

LINK TO PDF:
http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/issue51/articles/51_08.pdf
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 01:48 PM
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24. 9-11 coverup = Where Plamegate and NSA domestic spying converge
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2466336

It's the NSA's pre 9-11 policy shift away from Al Qaida that is the smoking gun here folks. The R's can't afford to let this go public prior to any elections.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 03:30 PM
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25. Able Danger was stepping on CIA toes. The" Brooklyn Cell"
Edited on Mon Feb-20-06 03:50 PM by leveymg
was already being tracked for many months by the CIA abroad and after they moved into the US. Unfortunately, this was a warrentless surveillance operation being run inside the US in conjunction with at least one foreign intelligence service. For some reason, Bush decided during the summer of 2001 to not roll up the cells, even though Tenet's "hair was on fire". I believe that Bush was putting the roll-up off until after the 9/12/01 Principals Meeting, at which the Bush national security team was intending to roll out its own counter-terrorism initiative, delayed so that the Clinton team wouldn't share credit.

UBL beat them to the punch.

As I've been saying for 3 years, if FISA warrants had been sought for al-Hazmi and al-Midhar on 01/15/00 when the CIA watched them arrive at LAX, there would have been some formal controls over the operation (notification of the FBI, FISA Court, and Congressional oversite) and 9/11 would never have happened. But, because the whole thing was being handled as an illegal domestic CIA operation, DIA had to scrub its files after Able Danger caught a whiff of the operation.

See, http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00257.htm
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 07:48 PM
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31. Snell

Canada Press: Promisgate: World's longest spy scandal still glossed over

World's longest spy scandal still glossed over
By David Dastych
Tuesday, January 31, 2006

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/dastych013106.htm

The so called PROMIS affair would never have happened if the software invented by an American computer specialist, Mr. William A. Hamilton, had been a technical failure. But this case management and data mining software, developed in the early 1980s by a small Washington D.C. company, Inslaw Inc., had proven itself to be a perfect intelligence tool. Originally made for the Department of Justice to help the country’s prosecutor offices in their case management, it drew the attention of corrupt officials and of Israeli Intelligence. Stolen by ruse from its owner, Inslaw Inc., the software was hacked and provided with a "trap door", a sort of a Trojan Horse hacker’s trick, that enabled the retrieval of information from the foreign intelligence services and banks it had been sold to on behalf of Israeli and U.S. intelligence. Without the knowledge of the software’s owner, and in violation of copyright laws, the PROMIS software was sold to over 40 countries and used in an unprecedented "sting operation", which yielded huge financial and intelligence benefits to the United States and Israel.

But "blowback" from the U.S. Government's theft of PROMIS in 1982 soon turned into a series of painful losses for U.S. national security, into criminal financial benefits for corrupt officials, and into intelligence "scoops" for the secret services of adversaries. "It’s far worse than Watergate"--commented former U.S. Attorney General and Inslaw counsel Elliot Richardson.

PROMIS sold to bin Laden

First, unnamed government sources familiar with the debriefing of Hanssen in 2001 reportedly told the Washington Times, Fox News, and the washingtonpost.com that year that someone in Russia had sold copies of PROMIS-derivative software source codes, which Hanssen had stolen from the FBI and U.S. intelligence agencies for the Russians, to Osama bin Laden for $2 million and that al Qaeda had used the stolen U.S. intelligence software to access the U.S. intelligence database systems in order to evade detection and monitoring before 9-11 and to move funds undetected through the banking system.



http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight /

Peter Lance explains the latest in the Able Danger




This link chart was created by Jacob L. Boesen, an analyst contracted by DIAC: The Defense Intelligence Analysis Center. Using Analyst's Notebook, the same high-end program used to design a number of the Able Danger link charts, Boesen created the chart on August 10th, 1999. It shows a direct link between al Qaeda and the New York cell of blind Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman and Ramzi Yousef, the mastermind of the original WTC bombing and the 9/11 plots.


The chart, produced just over a year after the bin Laden financed African Embassy bombings on August 7th, 1998, is in direct contradiction to the findings of the 9/11 Commission -- per Senior Counsel Dietrich Dieter Snell -- that the original WTC bombing cell was comprised of a loosely organized group of Sunni Islamists and that Ramzi Yousef played no role in the conception of the 9/11 plots even though his uncle Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (KSM) was identified by the FBI in 2002 as the "mastermind."


On July 12th, 2004, per the statement of 9/11 Commission Chairman Tom Kean and Co-Chair Lee Hamilton, Dietrich Snell rejected information from Navy Capt. Scott Phillpot, the operations director of the Able Danger unit, as not "sufficiently reliable." No mention of the ground-breaking Able Danger unit's findings was included in the 9/11 Commission's final report.


In Staff Statement #16, supervised by Dietrich Snell, the 9/11 Commission moved the origin of the al Qaeda funded 9/11 plot from Yousef and KSM in Manila in the fall of 1994 to 1996 in Afghanistan; claiming that, at the time, KSM was merely a freelancer not affiliated with al Qaeda and that he pitched the "planes operation" to bin Laden at that time.


Snell based his entire authority for this specious conclusion on the word of KSM who has been in U.S. custody since March, 2003 and subjected to torture.


By removing Ramzi Yousef from the 9/11 plot and distorting the truth behind the origin of the plot, Snell, a former prosecutor in the office of the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York (SDNY) exonerated the SDNY and the New York office of the FBI (NYO) from any culpability for failing to stop Yousef in the fall of 1992, during the Presidency of George Herbert Walker Bush or the early weeks of Bill Clinton's presidency just prior to the WTC bombing.


In 1000 YEARS FOR REVENGE we offer probative evidence that the FBY's NYO could have easily stopped Yousef in 1992 and early 1993 prior to that first attack on the WTC which killed six and injured 1000 on February 26th, 1993.


The evidence from the Able Danger unit which has surfaced so far from press reports and interviews with former Able Danger unit members, suggests that the U.S. intelligence community had a much clearer picture of al Qaeda and its violent designs on the United States much earlier than the 9/11 Commission determined.


Americans as politically diverse at Lt. Col. Oliver North and the Jersey Girls -- the 9/11 widows who campaigned for John Kerry -- are united in their conclusion that the 9/11 Commission's report was effectively a whitewash. As such they are calling for a full investigation of the Able Danger allegations.


Presently the Pentagon has prevented key Able Danger sources like Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, a Bronze star winner and Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott from testifying about the program in open hearings. Cong. Curt Weldon (R-PA) is leading the drive for a full vetting of the Able Danger program and its findings.


This move for full disclosure represents the last best hope of Americans to re-open the 9/11 investigation and get a full accounting of how the FBI and other U.S. intelligence agencies overlooked dozens of opportunties to interdict the "planes as missiles" plot in the 12 years prior to the attacks of Sept. 11th.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 09:17 PM
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36. Excellent. Hadn't seen the link chart.
Edited on Mon Feb-20-06 09:18 PM by leveymg
Can someone post a link to an expanded version, where we can all read and view the details more clearly?

I'll magnify this when I get home.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 09:24 PM
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37. Here's the link
Edited on Mon Feb-20-06 09:26 PM by seemslikeadream
at the top ABLE DANGER Lou Dobbs interview

http://www.peterlance.com/

you can use the zoom tool but it seems you will not be able to read words, can see faces though
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 05:43 PM
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27. IN PLAIN SIGHT!!!
Peace.
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hiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 06:52 PM
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28. excellent op
reprehensor thank you for laying it out so well.

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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 07:07 PM
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29. Lot's of stuff in this thread Kick
:dem:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 07:15 PM
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30. The 9/11 whistleblowers-get-screwed data dump
What MinstrelBoy said:



Minstrel Boy (1000+ posts) Fri Mar-26-04 02:22 PM

Original message

The 9/11 whistleblowers-get-screwed data dump

Edited on Fri Mar-26-04 02:29 PM by Minstrel Boy

Some who’ve spoken up, and paid the price. I'd say that "incompetence theory" cannot explain what these people faced.

Michael Springman

WHO: Twenty-year State Department veteran, and former head of the visa bureau in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.

CLAIM: He was repeatedly overruled by high-level State Department officials to issue visas to bin Laden recruits so they could receive training in the United States. Says this continued at least until the summer of 2001. (Notably, 15 of the 9/11 hijackers first entered the US through Jeddah.) Springman protested.

RESULT: Fired. Springman says he believes that the victims of 9/11 "may have been sacrificed in order to further wider US geopolitical objectives."
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=104&row=1
http://sandiego.indymedia.org/en/2002/02/521.shtml
http://radio.cbc.ca/programs/dispatches/audio/020116_sp...


Sibel Edmonds

WHO: FBI translator

CLAIM: That a Turkish "spy ring" operated in the translation department with the apparent protection of FBI brass, falsifying intercepts containing explicit, actionable warnings of 9/11. That members of this ring were involved with the subjects of the intercepts. And that high-ranking officials asked her to falsify her translations and bribed her to keep quiet.

RESULT: Fired. After taking concerns to upper management, was dismissed with only one reason offered: "for the convenience of the government." Escorted from building by agents who said "We will be watching you and listening to you. If you dare to consult an attorney who is not approved by the FBI, or if you take this issue outside the FBI to the Senate, the next time I see you, it will be in jail." Told by John Ashcroft that he was invoking "State Secret Privilege and National Security" to keep what she knows from reaching the public.
http://www.thememoryhole.org/spy/edmonds.htm
http://www.observer.com/pages/story.asp?ID=8516
http://tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article...


Robert Wright

WHO: FBI special investigator

CLAIM: That FBI agents assigned to intelligence operations actually protect terrorists from investigation and prosecution. That the FBI shut down his probe into terrorist training camps, and he was removed from a money-laundering case that had a direct link to terrorism. Says the FBI "intentionally and repeatedly thwarted his attempts to launch a more comprehensive investigation to identify and neutralize terrorists."

RESULT: Suspended and ordered to remain silent. Subject of at least three internal FBI investigations. Has written a book that the FBI is not only refusing to allow publication, but is not permitting anyone to even see it.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/printer_2469.shtml
http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/37/news-crogan.php


Lt. Col. Steve Butler

WHO: Vice Chancellor for student affairs, Defense Language Institute in Monterey.

CLAIM: In a letter to the editor of a local paper, Butler wrote "Bush knew of the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism. What is...contemptible is the President of the United States not telling the American people what he knows for political gain." During Butler’s term as chancellor, 9/11 hijacker Saeed Alghamdi was enrolled at the Defense Language Institute.

RESULT: Disciplined, lost his position and threatened with court martial.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mcherald/3406502.htm
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/06.06E.butler.bush.htm
http://raleigh.craigslist.org/com/21220698.html


Indira Singh

WHO: "Risk architect" consultant to JP Morgan Chase.

CLAIM: That Ptech, a software company founded by a Saudi financier on the terrorist watch list, had troubling access to sensitive US institutions, which was apparently of no concern to the institutions involved or the FBI. For instance, a "person of interest" from Ptech “had a team in the basement of the FAA for two years” before 9/11. One of Ptech’s projects gained it access to "all information processes and issues that the FAA had with the National Airspace Systems Agency."

RESULT: Warnings went ignored by institutions and the FBI. Told to keep quiet. Subject to surveillance and threats.
http://www.madcowprod.com/index45.html


Colleen Rowley

WHO: FBI field agent, Minnesota office.

CLAIM: That FBI head office perversely thwarted the investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui, throwing up unusual roadblocks which prevented exposing the terrorist use of flight schools in the summer of 2001. That Dave Frasca of the Radical Fundamentalism Unit altered her report, rendering it impossible for the FBI to pursue the matter further.

RESULT: After 9/11, Frasca – the senior official who altered Rowley’s report and sat on the Minnesota office's request to investigate flight schools, even though he had received a similar request from the Phoenix office – is promoted and commended.
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020603/memo.html
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MOO208B.html


John O’Neil

WHO: Former FBI head of antiterrorism.

CLAIM: That his investigations into al Qaeda in general and the Cole bombing in particular were subverted by senior officials, and the situation had become much worse under Bush. Authorisation to re-enter Yemen to investigate the Cole denied by US Ambassador Barbara Bodine. Quit the FBI under a cloud.

RESULT: Killed in the World Trade Center.
http://www.hereinreality.com/johnoneill.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/



Original DU Post w/fully "operational" (there's that word, again) links:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1293947

These are a few other people who tried to tell the Truth.

What's there to be afraid of?

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 07:50 PM
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33. Those were the days my friend
Has it been 2 years already? You haven't aged a bit!

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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 10:48 PM
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40. Like it was yesterday.


Good people.



Bad times.



And odd how few understand what's at stake.



The Able Danger iceberg isn't a lone calf.



It's connected, unterwasser.



Two years can change the world.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 10:43 PM
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39. Amen.
More from Van Auken's testimony;

"Also missing from the Commission’s definitive report was the testimony from national security whistleblowers who had tried to testify before the Commission, but where either not asked to testify or their testimony was only barely acknowledged, or worse yet, completely omitted from the record.

This list includes:

* Robert Wright, FBI Agent, whom the FBI refused to allow to testify, and the Commission did not subpoena him.

* John M. Cole, FBI Counterintelligence who had pertinent information with regard to Pakistan, Afghanistan, and the 9/11 attacks. He notified the 9/11 Commission during its tenure but never received a response back from them.

* Coleen Rowley, FBI Division Council, the FBI commission did not interview her and chose instead to rely on transcripts from the Joint Senate House Intelligence Inquiry.

* Mike German, FBI Counterintelligence, in February, 2004 his name and contact information were provided to the Commission as a key witness, but they never called him to testify.

* Mark Burtons, Senior Analyst at NSA, he provided dozens of pages of information and testimony to the 9/11 Commission but was ignored, and was never invited to testify.

* Aris Ashar, Language Specialist at the FBI, he was refused twice by the Commission to testify but finally did testify however, his testimony was omitted from the final report.

This list is in no way complete, rather, it’s just a small sample of the legitimate witnesses or corroborators of valuable 9/11 information that they tried to provide to the Commission. But they were instead turned away.

Knowing full well that the best source of how an agency really works would entail talking to the people who actually work there, why is it that the Commission refused these key witnesses an opportunity to tell what they knew?"
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corbett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 07:48 PM
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32. Video Worthy Of This Thread...
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Bushwick Bill Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 08:16 PM
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35. Kick
Amazing work from Rep, as always.

And this from Curt Weldon.

In the first open hearing about the existence of an intelligence cell that may have identified the ringleaders of the Sept. 11 attacks a year before they happened, lawmakers sat back and let Rep. Curt Weldon (R-Pa.) run the show.
<snip>
"How can we trivialize what these people have said?" Weldon asked Cambone. "It's about just giving the story. I am not a conspiracy theorist."

"I do not understand - it is frustrating to me," he added. "I am not going to stop here. President Nixon had to resign over a third-rate burglary," while 3,000 people died in the Sept. 11 attacks.

"Maybe neither administration wants to know what happened," Weldon said. "Maybe I am offending everyone."
http://www.thehill.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/021606/news8.html
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 09:32 PM
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38. Real time blog of Able Danger Hearing Wed Feb-15-06
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 04:28 AM
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42. kick
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:56 PM
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44. This helps "explain" the sale of the ports, IMFO.


In charge of what falls off the boats and trucks,
Smirko felt like Lucky Luciano.

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