Another Error by Ann Coulter

[ck4829]

“The belief that Islam forbids portrayals of Muhammad is recently acquired. Back when Muslims created things, rather than blowing them up, they made paintings, frescoes, miniatures and prints of Muhammad. But apparently the Quran is like the Constitution: It's a ‘living document,’ capable of sprouting all-new provisions at will." Coulter continues, “Making the rash assumption for purposes of discussion that Islam is a religion and not a car-burning cult, even a real religion can't go bossing around other people like this.…But Muslims think they can issue decrees about what images can appear in newspaper cartoons. Who do they think they are, liberals?”

http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=20481

It's not recent.

A movie made in 2004 about Muhammad did not actually show him, but we see his life through the experiences of other people.

http://islam.about.com/od/muhammad/p/muhammad_film.htm

"The Message" which was made all the way back in 1976, also did not show Muhammad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad%2C_Messenger_of_God_%28film%29

It looks like Ann has made yet another mistake, seriously, this must be a record. How can anyone consider her to be a pundit with all of these errors?

[Skidmore]

1. Ann Coulter should be pointed at and laughed at in derision

every time she appears and opens her mouth. Any volunteers? Just point and laugh. Ridicule her and all like her.

[YOY]

3. She makes sure Young Republicans (aka the campus laughing stocks)

Escort any problematic hecklers to the door. Personally, if one of them ever put their hands on me for calling a monster out he would have my steel-toes in his perfectly straight (thanks to orthodontics) teeth.

[Skidmore]

4. Form a gauntlet outside and send her on her way with laughter.

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[StClone]

5. She'll kill for a cream pie

Literally. She's threatened to hold her ground and waste anybody that lobs cream pies at her now. When she ran for her life from the cream pie last time it really hurt her tough girl appeal. Yeah Annie stand your ground and see what happens.

[LisaLynne]

2. Ann Coulter making a mistake is like ...

a fish swimming in water. Not only does the fish not know about the water, the fish has never done anything but.

[dsc]

6. actually she was referring to the middle ages

but she is still wrong. One only has to tour southern Spain or northern Africa to see that.

[wisteria]

7. The woman lies through her teeth. She doesn't care about accuracy or truth

I am beginning to think the best way to handle her is just to ignore her as being insignificant.

[acmejack]

8. Know nothing loud mouth

What a boorish fool.

[Vogon_Glory]

9. Sorry, ck

Sorry, ck, but the Iranian Shi'a Islamic tradition allowed for a lot more leeway for portraiture and images than did the Sunni Islamic traditions. I'd hesitate to deny that there might have been and might still be Shi'a images of Mohammed somewhere or other in Shi'a-influenced territory.

Having said that, I think that documenting falsehoods from the Coulter-gheist is a good thing. But it does progressives a lot better to have their facts researched and documented.

Most of us have bitter memories of dealing with lying conservatives. The right-wingers think that they have permission from G*d Almighty to lie often, repeatedly, and lie with impunity. Presuming this permission, right-wingers lie shamelessly, often, and with gleeful abandon. But if a progressive should contradict the lying conservative and once, just once, make an error or fail to check a statistic, the right-winger will turn around, brand the progressive as a liar, and brandish the fact of that one accidental falsehood for the next thirty years.

[ck4829]

13. I know, this is what I think about it

I know that portraits and paintings of Muhammad aren't as prohibited as much as the Protesters on the other side of the world think they are.

It looks like it to me that Coulter is insinuating that the Islamic World recently decided that there would be no depictions of Muhammad.

There has been ambiguity in the Islamic World on this and on other subjects as well, but Ann and other RW'ers want to make it look like Muslims can only believe in one thing when it comes to different topics.

Me? I think that portraits and paintings of Muhammad are acceptable, but to say that the entire Muslim world only recently said that they weren't is kind of misleading people.

And, that is my problem with it.

[Catrina]

14. True. They do lie with impunity, like Hannity claiming that Cheney 'has no

history of alcohol' ~ two DWIs = no history of alcohol if you're a Republican!

Or Rush, who this week pronounced that the real reason for Paul Hackett having to withdraw from the Senate race was because liberals are 'racist' ~ 'you see, my friends, Brown is BLACK!! From what I'm reading here in the newspaper, the Congressman is BLACK'!

I guess his own racism tells him that if someone's name is 'Brown' that person must be 'black'!

They trade in hate ~ and lies and the sad thing is they make millions doing so ~

[Catrina]

15. True. They do lie with impunity, like Hannity claiming that Cheney 'has no

history of alcohol' ~ two DWIs = no history of alcohol if you're a Republican!

Or Rush, who this week pronounced that the real reason for Paul Hackett having to withdraw from the Senate race was because liberals are 'racist' ~ 'you see, my friends, Brown is BLACK!! From what I'm reading here in the newspaper, the Congressman is BLACK'!

I guess his own racism tells him that if someone's name is 'Brown' that person must be 'black'!

They trade in hate ~ and lies and the sad thing is they make millions doing so ~

[annabanana]

10. do you think she was thinking about those gorgeous

Persian miniatures? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the Prophet was depicted in them.

[blue antidote]

11. Different opinions; even within Islam; don't have a pic of a dog or cat

in your house either if an Islamacist visits you!

http://answering-islam.org.uk/Muhammad/pictures.html

Are Pictures of Muhammad Really Forbidden In Islam?

Numerous passages in the Qur’an prohibit idolatry, and worshipping statues or pictures, but there is not even single verse in the Qur’an that explicitly says not to have any pictures of Muhammad. This bears repeating: There is not a single verse in the Qur’an that prohibits making or having pictures of Muhammad or people or animals or trees. In fact, there are some verses in the Qur’an which mention images in a positive context and which therefore presuppose that some statues or images were approved by God, see the article Muhammad and Images.

However, the vast majority of Muslims are Sunni Muslims, who regard six authorized collections of hadiths as the highest written authority in Islam after the Qur’an. The hadiths are records, often very detailed, of what Muhammad taught and did. We give multiple quotations to show that these teachings are not confined to just one writer/collector, but are spread throughout the different hadith collections.

Where multiple trustworthy hadiths agree, Sunni Muslims will take this as binding. In other words, people today are kicked out of Islam, or even killed based on the hadiths.

Pictures of Muhammad are "not exactly" forbidden in the hadiths either. The hadiths do not single out Muhammad’s picture. Rather, in the hadith we find the prohibition of all pictures of people or animals, which would include pictures from a camera.

For example, Sahih Muslim vol.3 no.5268 (p.1160) says, "Ibn ‘Umar reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) having said: Those who paint pictures would be punished on the Day of Resurrection and it would be said to them: Breathe soul into what you have created.2519"

Notice that the prohibition was not just against idolators who made pictures, or even Muslims who made pictures for other reasons, but for anyone who made pictures.

Sahih Muslim vol.3 no.5271 (p.1161) gives a little more detail: "This hadith has been reported on the authority of Abu Mu’awiya though another chain of transmitters (and the words are): ‘Verily the most grievously tormented people amongst the denizens of Hell on the Day of Resurrection would be the painters of pictures.2520..."

"Narrated ‘Aisha: Allah’s Apostle said, ‘The painter of these pictures will be punished on the Day of Resurrection, and it will be said to them, Make alive what you have created.’" Bukhari vol.9 book 93 no.646 p.487. no.647 p.487 is the same except it is narrated by Ibn ‘Umar.

No pictures of people or animals according to Bukhari vol.4 book 54 no.447-450 p.297-299.

Conclusion: It is clear that the hadiths prohibit pictures of animals or people, especially in homes. There is no focus on pictures of Muhammad per se. All pictures of people and animals are forbidden. It is a completely general prohibition.

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[leeroysphitz]

16. Getting lessons on the Quran from Ann Coulter is like

trying to learn the basics of jungle combat in South East Asia from Dick Cheney...

[Toots]

17. "even a real religion can't go bossing around other people like this."

Well she very well may end up with a million dollar reward on her head. Her statements are every bit as inflamitory as those Danish Cartoons. Does she try and be as offensive as possible or does it just come natural?

[stray cat]

18. She isn't the first by any means to state this.

It sounds like Islam doesn't forbid it across the board, however some sects do forbid it.

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[Norquist Nemesis]

22. The irony of issuing decrees and conflating it to Liberals

Hmmm...Seems to me that it's Ann Coulter and her supporters that demand we do whatever it is they decide is the "Right" thing. :crazy:

[On the Road]

23. It Goes Back to the Ten Commandments

in the eyes of Muslims: "That shalt not make any graven image..."