Sicko "Marriage Contract" One For The Ages

[ECH1969]

This country, as you know, is filled with the deranged. And then there's Travis Frey, a 33-year-old Iowa man who is facing charges that he tried to kidnap his own wife (not to mention a separate child pornography rap). Frey, prosecutors contend, apparently is a rather demanding guy. In fact, he actually drew up a bizarre four-page marriage document--a "Contract of Wifely Expectations"--that sought to establish guidelines for his spouse in terms of hygiene, clothing, and sexual activities.

In return for fulfilling certain requirements, Frey (pictured right) offered "Good Behavior Days," or GBDs. Each GBD, Frey wrote, could be redeemed by his wife to "get out of doing the things" he requested daily. A copy of the proposed contract, which Frey's wife never signed and later provided to cops, can be found below. While we normally point out the highlights of most documents, there are so many in this demented, and very graphic, contract, we really can't do it justice. So set aside ten minutes--and prepare to be repulsed.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0217062contract1.html

[Warpy]

1. These contracts pop up every so often, usually on the right fringe

of our society and always by men who see everything in life as an economic transaction. Oh, they may think they love their wives, but what they really love is the use of their wives. Big difference.

If anything is calculated to make a wife feel like an unpaid whore, it's tying the work any male should be doing to support the household to the amount of nookie she's willing to "sell" to him.

Hey, guys, we're not masturbation toys and you need to mow that lawn.

[Xenotime]

67. These are what the right call christians...

You notice they go to church.

[Texacrat]

74. This is not a political crime

Quit trying to make it one.

[benburch]

83. You are mostly right...

Kidnapping is not a right wing crime. But kiddie porn absolutely is. The vast majority caught with kiddie porn turn out to be Republicans.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

87. I don't think anyone can actually know that for sure.

I'm sure there are quite a few democrats out there who are sick fucks. It's not unique to either side.
Duckie

[benburch]

93. We did some investigation a while back.

We checked out people who had press reports about kiddie porn busts. All of them we were able to determine party affiliation for were Rethuglicans.

[Burma Jones]

2. Yeeecccchhhhh

That's all, just yeeecccchhhhh.......

[SpiralHawk]

3. Jeez, this Republican (he's gotta be) forgot the cooking and dining specs

He should have gotten more input before he finalized the contract

[fasttense]

4. He didn't mention housecleaning, childcare and food preparations.

Seems the only thing this contract covers is access to sex for him. Notice there is nothing in there about him ensuring her enjoyment. He probably doesn't know how to make a women enjoy sex. He must be a republican.

[benburch]

5. This is a very typical "slave contract"

Such non-binding slave contracts are part of the FANTASY life of many loving BDSM couples.

The fact that you are hearing about this one is because the guy here was alleged to be a sick pedophile and an actual kidnapper.

Please don't judge those other people for whom this is a fun part of their sexual fantasies by this low-life.

[Cats Against Frist]

10. I asked the same question, Ben -- but I don't think it is

The woman said she never signed on, and that he tied her to the bed against her REAL will, not against her "code word" will, or anything. However -- she could be lying, I suppose.

[benburch]

12. And should that be the case, that is the basis for the alleged crime.

But many BDSM lovers have similar contracts, and you should not judge them by this case. Thats the point I am trying to make here.

[Cats Against Frist]

13. Well, I'll judge them

if I want. I just won't advocate to make their hobbies a crime, call the government into stamp it out, or deny them life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, because of it.

I'm on the fence about BDSM -- because I think that there are ways to do it that, surprisingly enough, are gender equal, i.e. the female dominatrix, and that don't buy into the stuff that I'm pissed off about, below.

But I agree with you, for certain, that those who are into BDSM are a far different breed from the type of man that Mr. Frey appears to be, and that we shouldn't get consensual BDSM stuff mixed up with the REAL patriarchal dominators.

[benburch]

14. Most Male Dom/Female Sub BDSM Marriages only LOOK unequal.

Honestly, some of them are the most equal relationships I know of, if, in fact, the "submissive" woman doesn't actually run the whole show.

And I know Female Dom/Male Sub relationships where, despite the public face, the "subby boy" really rules the roost.

I know that's the exact opposite of what you'd expect, but thats how many of them work.

Are there horrible, dysfunctional, abusive BDSM relationships? Fuck yes. Seen those too. But those people would have found a way to be equally dysfunctional if they had never heard of whips and chains.

Personally, I think 24/7 roleplay BDSM is tedious, but that's just me.

[Cats Against Frist]

15. Equal disfunction is good

I'm still a little "iffy" about the idea of the hierarchy -- being anti-hierarchy, myself. Does it make a difference if it's just play? I don't know.

And in what other ways can BDSM be expressed without resorting to things that I do find oppressive: shaving, certain narrative elements, lingerie, etc.? The contract that Frey wrote up, even if it was consentual, represents, to me, a far bigger problem that what's going on in the Frey's bedroom: and that is the prevalance of sexual narratives that degrade women. As I said below, there is a social contract between I would say, the BULK of society -- particularly hygeine of the female, that mirrors Frey's contract. It's not on paper, but it's every big as much demanding, and is more powerful, being a "social norm."

I have to tell you, though, that I find the activities in a Dominatrix's den, generally, far less offensive than the typical things that you'd find in a soft-porn movie on Skinemax. There's logic there, trust me.

[benburch]

17. I have a book I'd like you to read...

"Screw the Roses, Send me The Thorns" by Miller & Devon.

Barnes & Noble Link

I think it will explain a lot of this to you.

I know one of the authors slightly and she's a wonderful person.

Bottom line; This stuff makes men AND women happy when it is a shared fantasy and where there is a LOT of communication between the partners and where conditions really are equal, though the appearances of fantasy make it seem otherwise.

[Cats Against Frist]

18. Thanks, Ben -- I'll check it out

I love to read stuff like that! I might not agree, but I like to file away all the info that I can.

:hi:

[mongo]

29. Hmmm....

And in what other ways can BDSM be expressed without resorting to things that I do find oppressive

Come see me and we can work on that! (MONGO BAAADDD!)

Sorry, couldn't resist today...

And all I have to add to this thread is that most people have no idea what goes on in a real, healthy, loving BDSM relationship. As Ben pointed out, I think that subs "topping from the bottom" is more common that people think.

[Debbi801]

49. Ssshhhhhhh.......

You said: "As Ben pointed out, I think that subs "topping from the bottom" is more common that people think."

Don't let my husband hear you say that. :rofl:

[NashVegas]

59. That's a Pretty One-Sided Contract

The only concession on his part that I can see is, "do everything I saw and on some days, you will only have to bow to some of my wishes."

[Texacrat]

72. I doubt she is lying

Honestly, if both sides consented, this could be possibly be a "fun" sexual activity, though this is hard for me to imagine since I'm not into this, (it did sound funNY to say the least). However, if the woman did not consent, this man is nothing more than a rapist and a freak.

[benburch]

82. I'm sure she is telling the truth.

The alleged fact that he is into kiddie porn puts him squarely onto the nut-job reservation.

[Debbi801]

44. Parking myself here.....

:hi:

This is pretty standard, honestly, in a D/s contract. In my case, we wrote it together and everything in it was mutually agreed upon.

The only thing i think is strange is that it wasn't signed by her. i have to wonder how long they were married for and whether she was a non-consensual party in all this.

[benburch]

46. Hey, Debbie!

Have some popcorn! :popcorn:

[Debbi801]

48. Hi. How've You been?....

I wanted to reach out and hug You after one of Your posts in this thread. :-)

Pop corn sounds lovely. i'm stuck at work today, while my better half is off for Presidents Day. This thread is just the thing.

[benburch]

50. Aww thanks!

Both of us are working for President's day... In my case because I am self employed and never give myself a day off... In my lovely sweetie's case because her recent job change means she is now "Management" and though the Union is off, she isn't.

But I'm not at home alone; I have three grouchy old cats and one young hyperactive Dachshund to keep me company! ;)

[Debbi801]

52. He's home with a 13 yr old & a 11 yr old....

wanna trade?

Have a good day!

[benburch]

54. Nope!

My children are all grown up and thats how I like it.

[bloom]

79. Holding this up as a typical "slave contract"

(that she refused to sign) does not do anything to add to the promotion of BDSM.


It just makes BDSM and you sound like patriarchal abominations.

[benburch]

80. And name-calling makes you sound like? nt

[bloom]

89. I figured you were looking for a fight since you posted it in the feminist

group.

I'm just being accommodating. :hi:


What did you expect - feminists to jump up and down and say - "we all want contracts like that"? :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[benburch]

91. Nope, was looking for honest and rational discussion.

And I was sort of hoping you had something honest and rational to contribute, or, failing that, at least an open mind to learn something.

[bloom]

94. looking for "open hinds" eh?

"And I was sort of hoping you had something honest and rational to contribute, or, failing that, at least an open hind to learn something."

Nothing Freudian there. :)



Sometimes having an open mind leads to areas of disagreement. It happens.

I think this is a ridiculous thread to start a BDSM support group on. Not a good place to look for sympathy. Just makes you look nuts.

[benburch]

95. Funny...

So you have absolutely nothing rational to contribute to the discussion?

[benburch]

90. More to the point...

...do you have ANY experience with this facet of human behavior, or do you just wish to belittle it?

Also, I am sure that my many dyke friends in the scene (more into the whole Master/slave thing than I'll ever be, which is not at all) would be amused to find that you think them "patriarchal". Yep we were the very models of Patriarchy there marching in the Pride Parade back in 94. I carried one side of the banner for the Chicago Council of Clubs. The guy who was marching right next to me was a model of Patriarchy too. He had Karposi's Sarcoma sores all over his body and still marched the entire parade route in that heat. He died three months later.

And my friend, Mistress Susanne D'Arcy? She's a model of Patriarchy too? I'll be sure to tell her.

:sarcasm:

[unblock]

6. hey, there are some good ideas in there! thanks!

<ducks!>

KIDDING!

:rofl:

[sinkingfeeling]

7. It's all about the desire to control. I have a name for men like Mr.

Frey, but I can't use it here!

[BushOut06]

8. ROTFLMAO - I love the shaving instructions!

Vaginal slit? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Maine-ah]

55. LMFAO

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Cats Against Frist]

9. OK -- this is disgusting

Only every once in a while are we pemitted to see this far into the dark corners of female oppression.

When I first read this, I thought it sounded more like a kinky sex thing that a BDSM couple would draw up, or part of the "Taken in Hand" movement, which, though still disturbing, is a consentual agreement. I thought maybe people were making too big a deal of it.

Apparently it is NOT, however, and there's no irony or game-playing here, whatsoever. It is especially sad, in the contract, where he states that she cannot talk to him or cry. What a fucking asswipe.

Here's where I go radical: EACH AND EVERY ONE of the conditions in the contract, from shaved body hair, to lingerie, to female submissiveness has its own seemingly more innocent counterpart in the lives of people who may not feel strongly enough to write out a contract, but who are NEVERTHELESS victims of the propaganda of pornography.

This is given a stamp of approval from traitorous third-wave feminists who claim that it's "ok, as long as YOU'RE making the sex object out of yourself. (I'm reminded of the SNL Church Lady skit where Jessica Hahn, played by Jan Hooks, says, "as long as I'M the one in charge of being used and degraded.").

Every leg hair that is shorn, ever brazillian wax, every piece of lingerie that is intended to present a woman as a "gift" is a stamp of approval on this culture -- and anyone who signs on to this thread to trumpet the derrangement of Mr. Frey, and who doesn't accept that, or continues to either view someone else's sexuality through that filter, or who casts their own sexuality through this filter is a hypocrite or an enabler.

Every woman I know is a victim, or has been a victim of these constructs, in some way. Despite that knowledge, they continue to shave (it just feeeeeeeels nicer. WTF?), put on eyeliner, powder up, prance around in lingerie, and play the CONSTRUCTED role that the patriarchy has developed for them. It's sick, and is a neverending prison for women -- even the ones who supposedly "choose." I say to those people, then, is it permissible to sell oneself into slavery?

[knitter4democracy]

16. I agree.

What is with the shaving thing? Men want adult women to look like pre-pubescent girls with no hair? Thongs? *shudder* So much of that is uncomfortable in so many way.

I told my hubby when we were dating that, if he didn't find me sexy without the extra trappings, we were done. He agreed, and we've saved a lot of money and time over the years with just enjoying us as we are. I wear what's comfortable, he wears what's comfortable, and we just go from there. That may sound boring to some, but it works for us and helps me trust him more--I don't have to worry about him comparing me with some messed up ideal.

[benburch]

20. Some women WANT to shave.

It's a commissive act that affirms erotic intentions for them.

I know its not for everybody, and, having dated hippy girls all my life, not my thing, but you have to understand that many women want it.

Now, in this case it is just a sicko pushing his nonconsensual fantasy onto an unwilling woman, but you cannot judge all people who like shaving thereby. Any more than you can judge all gay men by Andrew Cunanan.

[Cats Against Frist]

23. Okay- go with me, Ben.

A. I'm going to assume that, for some people, you're right. They've created a sexual narrative that somehow involves shaving of the genitalia. From where did this fetishism come? What are the origins of genital shaving? Are there other cultures that do it? Before shaving was generally included in mainstream pornography, did it have the number of devotees?

B. Do you think that this fetish arises more out of feminine desire, or MALE desire? In addition, what are possible subtexts that could be involved here, i.e. pedophilia?

C. What about the women who aren't all "up" on the "commissive act that affirms erotic intentions for them," -- who aren't that particularly self-realized, but who simply are willing to submit to "what men like?" Do you see any potential problems, there?

[Cats Against Frist]

26. Edit: So, anyway, I just read some more about it

I get the disease part -- for the hot and sandy cultures, but it seems that shaving, in one way or another, is related to beauty culture and class -- both of which I find pretty "not cool." So, yeah -- there's a long history -- but much of it still stems from fashion and elitism.

I do believe it is true, however, that most lower and middle-class women in the US didn't shave their armpits and legs, until the razor companies started pushing the hygeine thing. At least that's what I read many years ago.

[mongo]

35. before companies started pushing the hygeine thing --

people bathed once a week too.

[benburch]

42. I do love soap and hot water...

So marketing - in this case for water heaters, bathtubs, and soap - was a positive thing by my lights.

[benburch]

30. Well, I'm no expert...

A. I know it existed to a VERY small degree in Victorian porn. Likely because sexworkers did it to deal with crab lice. (ICKEEE!!!) "Golden Age" (Though about 1983) porn films rarely had women who shaved their genitals. It was considered fetishistic, and where it existed in films it involved an eroticized "shaving scene". I think it came into vogue when Hustler, in their zeal to show ever more gynecological detail, started having models do it for centerfolds. Thereafter it became the norm in porn films and part of the erotic expectations of a generation of impressionable young people. Fortunately I escaped that.

B. Originally, male desire. Was it from an impulse to pedophilia? I don't know. Pedophilia is just so far from anything even vaguely erotic to me that I cannot judge. I've always been turned on by older women, even when I was a teen.

C. Sure. Anybody who isn't self-realized is a problem to themselves, and needs to work on their self-esteem!

[Cats Against Frist]

21. The shaving thing is because companies wanted to sell razors

Every hair that's shorn doesn't just put a stamp of approval on the patriarchy, but also puts a stamp of approval on "buy whatever bullshit the capitalists are willing to shovel into your open mouth." I think, at the time, they might have said it was "hygenic." :eyes:

[benburch]

22. Well, hair removal does not begin with the modern safety razor.

But that did make it easier and safer.

And in places and times where body lice were endemic, yes, I think it was hygienic...

[Cats Against Frist]

24. I was speaking mainly of leg hair

And please -- do elaborate -- in my above post, I'd like to know more about the history of shaving -- particularly as it pertains to erotica.

[benburch]

25. Well, I don't know extensively about that.

I do know that "Sugaring" (similar in concept to waxing) was often used by women in some cultures to remove body hair, and I believe that the impulse was hygienic.

Men's facial shaving was done in past ages by heating a blade red-hot and scraping in quickly over the face, singeing off the facial hair, and I assume other sorts of shaving was done in much the same way, if you can imagine that. Until the invention of steel that would hold a razor's edge, that was about your only option other than extensive plucking.

Personally, I'd have to ask myself which was worse; Lice or the red-hot blade?

[Cats Against Frist]

27. Thanks -- I responded to my own post, above, too

It's interesting, that's for certain.

[benburch]

32. Red hot bronze blades...

sounds like horror-movie stuff, doesn't it?

[BiggJawn]

36. I wonder if Lesbians like shaved women?

Or is that just more "constructing by the Patriarchy"?

[benburch]

38. Some do. nt

[BiggJawn]

40. Then they've been "conditioned", yes?

I'd like to believe that man-woman sex can be about something other than the "Patriarchal" male power-tripping, but I've seen so much to the contrary that I have to doubt my own motives for being Hetero anymore...

[benburch]

41. Unless you were raised by wolves like Romulus and Remus...

...you are conditioned by some aspect of human society. Can't escape it. Shouldn't try.

I think people should do whatever feels best to them and which their partner consents to and also enjoys. Anything else is a form of conditioning-enforced asceticism, and if you really want that, enter a cloister.

Great thing about the Internet is that people can fund those who match them to play with, and don't have to suffer with their lonely kink.

[BiggJawn]

60. But I have such a HORRIBLE kink, Ben....

I'm BORINGLY straight!
:P

"I think people should do whatever feels best to them and which their partner consents to and also enjoys."

Oh, I agree 100%, but then again, what if my partner only THINKS she "enjoys" it because of the "patriarchal conditioning" she's been bombarded with all her life?

All these years, I've thought they slept with me because they wanted to. Now to find out it's only because they feared the consequences of my Mighty Patriarchal Power(tm)....

[benburch]

62. Gott Im Himmel!

That is SICK!

:P

[Cats Against Frist]

66. See Post #64

:P

[mongo]

37. Oh no, not again.....

First of all, let me say that the person who is the subject of the article is a SCUMBAG. No doubt in my mind about that.

But...

Here's where I go radical: EACH AND EVERY ONE of the conditions in the contract, from shaved body hair, to lingerie, to female submissiveness has its own seemingly more innocent counterpart in the lives of people who may not feel strongly enough to write out a contract, but who are NEVERTHELESS victims of the propaganda of pornography.

So, women did nothing to attract men before porn?

Every leg hair that is shorn, ever brazillian wax, every piece of lingerie that is intended to present a woman as a "gift" is a stamp of approval on this culture -- and anyone who signs on to this thread to trumpet the derrangement of Mr. Frey, and who doesn't accept that, or continues to either view someone else's sexuality through that filter, or who casts their own sexuality through this filter is a hypocrite or an enabler.

Every woman I know is a victim, or has been a victim of these constructs, in some way. Despite that knowledge, they continue to shave (it just feeeeeeeels nicer. WTF?), put on eyeliner, powder up, prance around in lingerie, and play the CONSTRUCTED role that the patriarchy has developed for them. It's sick, and is a neverending prison for women -- even the ones who supposedly "choose." I say to those people, then, is it permissible to sell oneself into slavery?

What about women who feel empowered by flaunting their sexuality? Women can and do use their sexuality to CONTROL men. But somehow this makes them the victims?

What about men? Should they stop shaving too?

[Cats Against Frist]

64. See post #63

[Debbi801]

51. I'm sorry. I can tell you feel very strongly about this.....

And while I am sure there are victims out there who are being forced to do things against their will, this is generally not the case.

I have never felt victimized, oppressed, or abused with my husband. Every relationship involves compromise. I do plenty of things for him that I'd prefer not to do. BUT, he does plenty of things for me that he'd prefer not to do. That is part of a healthy adult relationship.

[Cats Against Frist]

65. See post #63

[FatDave]

96. Debbi, you just raised the point I was reluctant to make

I was afraid to jump into this (see post #63) but I'd like to second your point about compromise.

My wife and I do "special" things for each other because we know that the other enjoys them. It makes me feel good to make her feel good and vice versa. I believe this is completely healthy and loving. In fact, I would question the health of a relationship where either or both partners aren't willing to do things to please each other. As long as it's a two-way street, what's the problem?

And besides, the compromises we my make in the bedroom (and even "compromise" feels like too strong a word here) are insignificant compared to the bigger issues of keeping food on the table, a roof over our heads, and raising a healthy family.

[mondo joe]

58. I find your victimization view of women to be very sad.

Some women like shaving. Some men hate women shaving.

You are mistaken in assuming that women are all somehow imprisoned in a male pornographic programming.

You have confused INDIVIDUAL response with an imagined male or female response (or porn vs natural response).

I'm sad to see someone so profoundly discount individuality in favor of a universal gender orthodoxy.

[Cats Against Frist]

63. And republicans find black victimization very sad

That's why they're always advocating for a "colorblind" society, and the end to the welfare that keeps blacks as "perpetual victims."

This is depressing. This is the SECOND TIME IN TWO DAYS that I've had to remind so-called liberals that a large part of the liberal/modernist/social democrat theory relies on the idea that genetics DO NOT determine who one is, or what his or her capabilities are.

Liberals bring out "natural response" and "genetics" when it suits them, but if Republicans, Eugenicists or racists do it, it's like they took a gigantic shit on the dining room table. Nobody wants to hear about "The Bell Curve," or how women are born genetically inferior in math and science, but it's fine to bust out the innate bullshit, when it comes to justifying sexual narrative.

Inevitably, every time I try to argue radical queer or feminist theory -- that which relies on social constructivism -- someone jumps up to tell me how "that's just the way things are," which sounds, to me, much more like a Republican argument than a liberal one. You know, order, authority, God, etc. Coincidentally, these issues largely have to do with sexual narrative and sexual preference.

Mondo Joe -- We've talked above about how shaving has largley been a product of elitism and fashion culture. The two societies that are the most famous for their shaving exploits are the Egyptians and the Romans. Also, in each society, it was the elite that started the practice, and then everyone jumped on the bandwagon. They created a binary-oppositional construct, i.e. "shaven" means clean, pure, affluent, cosmopolitan and "non-shaven" means beastly, rough, uncivilized, etc. That's where this shit all came from -- it's a goddamn construct. And, sure, people can choose to buy into it, or not -- people do all kinds of ridiculous shit, like buy giant SUVs and exist apathetically in rows of vinyl-sided houses in various shades of brown.

And YES, women are the primary targets of the shaving fetish -- shaving is seen to heighten "femininity," which is a FUCKING CONSTRUCT in and of itself. The fact that shaving isn't simply "arbitrary," but is an expectation of most women -- which actually goes against the way that NATURE has chosen to place hair on our bodies (if you're going to make a "nature argument), and has no PRACTICAL point, only underscores the fact that it is a product of imagination. You know -- kind of like how gays shouldn't have families -- 'cause it's not "natural," and that a higher rate of blacks are in the welfare system, or in jail, because they're "racially inferior."

Mongo -- Yeah, we've been over this. My opinion still hasn't changed. Pornographic narratives of lingerie, shaving and schoolgirl-daddy are boring as fuck, and cliche. I say that in such brutally honest tones, because I think you can take it, and, I think that deep inside, you understand exactly what I'm talking about.

Debbie -- Yes, I feel strongly about this. Not only as a woman, but as a liberal. My boyfriend and I do plenty of things for each other, too, but we don't ask one another to dramatically alter our bodies, or adopt a rigorous grooming ritual before we can like each other.

I simply feel elaborate grooming rituals, particularly those that have roots in elitism and pedophilia, are no different than any other construct that the "necessary and proper" crowd have made up. What? You wouldn't think that every once in a while that the constructs of order would slip by and infect liberals? Or that issues -- like sex -- that can reach so far into our brains, can create a universal construct that will have otherwise indignant liberals, crawling out of the woodwork, and bending over backwards to desperately defend the pointless and victimizing construct with grandiose claims of "nature," and justifying it with "we just like it that way."

Maybe it's just better to not ask any questions, and just join the ranks of the human capital.

[benburch]

68. Never stop asking questions!

Just understand that the answers some people will give about such topics won't appeal to you. It doesn't mean you are wrong. It doesn't mean they are wrong. It means that there IS NOT ANY Right or Wrong about such matters because there is not any higher authority to appeal to other than your own self.

[Iris]

78. Cats, I, for one, would like to say. . .

:yourock:

[mondo joe]

86. If you can't make a case, compare a poster to a republican.

Still very sad.

And especially funny given your many posts about the romance or mythos or whatever about smoking.

I'll have to remember next time you post one of those to remind you that you might just be the victim of the smoking industry and only think you know what you like.

[bullwinkle428]

97. There are men that choose to shave as well - I guess I'm finding it

a little tough to accept the sweeping generalization you laid out with your argument...

[derby378]

11. You always find these sickos in the last place you expect

I mean, come on. Iowa?! But then again, GG Allin was a New Hampshire native - his father was an outright crazy bastard.

[BiggJawn]

19. Most women I've known....

...upon being presented with a "contract" like this, would have kicked my balls so hard I'd have needed a Q-tip to scratch them...

Travis, you're a sick fuck.

[lectrobyte]

28. You're right, I'm repulsed. Couldn't make it past the first page. Sounds

like some stupid p0rn fantasy or something.

[EC]

31. He wanted a hooker, not a wife...

This guy is really an asshole...

[triguy46]

57. Kind of sets the standard against which all "Madonna-Whore"

complexes must be measured. Poor woman.

[GreenPartyVoter]

33. this sounds like someone who could very easily turn out to be a serial

rapist and killer. I sense a lot of anger and fear beneath his need to control everything. He certainly had no qualms about kidnapping the poor woman. He seems like someone who, if he doesn't get his way exactly as expected, would be capable of major violence.

[Dinger]

34. If I Were her....

my "cycle" would never end.

[ripple]

39. Sounds like this guy took the movie 'Secretary'

way too much to heart.

BTW, the movie was good and I know BDSM can be a healthy and enjoyable activity for many couples. This guy just seems to cross way over the line. From what I understood from reading about it a while back, couples who are into BDSM usually have an "opt out" word or phrase if things aren't within their comfort zone. This guy won't even allow his wife to express pain while it's happening to her. What a sick bastard.

[_testify_]

43. Perhaps we should give a copy of this to the gentelman

he'll hopefully be sharing a cell with. We could even add a clause that transfers the contract in case Travis gets traded for cigarettes! Wouldn't that be perfect?

[Texacrat]

75. Prison rape IS WRONG!!!!

Period!!!

[_testify_]

76. Well, thank goodness it will all be under contract then. n/t

[Texacrat]

77. Funny, but seriously prison abuse is a major issue

Government, and not other convicts, should punish inmates.

[benburch]

84. Sadly, that isn't how it is done ANYWHERE in the USA.

Prison rape happens in every sort of jail including county lock-ups where prisoners awaiting trial are housed. And the trend to private prisons has only made this worse as they are completely unaccountable for it.

[benburch]

45. More discussion here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=341x5950

[FreedomAngel82]

47. What a wacko

I hope the wife is okay and gets some help etc. :(

[michreject]

53. Was she an inflatable woman?

That's the only kind who would follow these instructions. What an idiot.

Hopefully he meets a bubba in jail that will present him with the same demands.

[leftofthedial]

56. I don't know what woman would sign such a thing

but if anyone has her phone number . . .

just kidding!

[bloom]

61. I find it disgusting

that people can see this news story as an occasion to promote anything that is remotely similar in "fantasy" or otherwise.

[Triana]

69. That is utterly revolting...

...what a sick whacko. He needs to just get a dog - but then I'd feel sorry for the dog.

[Iris]

70. What I think is funny is that he seems to think that every "menstrual

cycle" lasts exactly 5 days.

[WI_DEM]

71. And she still married him?

[benburch]

81. I cannot imagine why.

If you know he has expectations you don't share or intend to fulfill...

Then again, she might not have know before the marriage what she was getting into.

Clearly if he was into kiddieporn, we are not dealing with a sane individual.

[bloom]

92. The contract, etc. came after they were married.

"When Ruth Frey tied the knot with her husband, she told police she did not expect to be tied to a bed, sexually assaulted and asked to sign a sick contract that conferred weird sexual obligations on her."

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/392495p-332825c.html

[AngryAmish]

73. Why didn't she run out the second she got this contract?

I read the whole thing. The funny thing is this is not a mutual contract. If you read the last page it satates that this is a non-negociable set of demands.

Anyway, why didn't she run out? Because it is a hard thing to do. in the last year or so 2 women I know had to leave bad marriages. These are college-educated professional women. They had supportive families and money problems were not too much of an issue. Their husbands were both bad guys. Both were into drugs. Well one guy was a complete slacker and smoked pot every day. He did not work a lot. The other guy was a coke fiend and their house got foreclosed on.

Why didn't they leave? Why didn't they reach out to their families? I think that they were just scared. Not scared of their husbands but scared to admit their marriages did not work.

(And reading the above it seems like I am blaming the victims here. I'm not. Just confused.)

[roguevalley]

88. he must be total crap in bed. Its too bad a man can't become a woman for

a while and see how this works from the other side. Or better yet, be a woman for a
month or so and see what it means to be kicked in the head by the most surprising
people. By the by, there is a book a woman wrote where she passed as a man. Interesting
view on the other side. Neither side of the fence is a walk in the park but considering how
we lost our equality 5-10,000 years later, I find my empathy not as full as perhaps it should
be,.

[roguevalley]

85. his problem would be at some point he would have to sleep and then

it would instantly become MY TIME.

RV, sharpening up her pitchfork and appreciating once again all the good men out there,.

[proud patriot]

98. I'm locking this thread

it falls into the sex thread catagory at this point
so locking it best .

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