Please Help! Refute this email Re: Russia Moved Saddam's WMDs -->

[Dr. Jones]

I was sent this email by a family member...please help me refute these claims!! I KNOW it was proven that Saddam's WMD program was non-existent, and that we actually had him contained. But if anyone could provide additional refutations and analysis of this I would be grateful.

The source? What else...Newsmax...:puke:

Ex-Official: Russia Moved Saddam’s WMD

A top Pentagon official who was responsible for tracking Saddam Hussein's weapons programs before and after the 2003 liberation of Iraq, has provided the first-ever account of how Saddam Hussein "cleaned up" his weapons of mass destruction stockpiles to prevent the United States from discovering them.

"The short answer to the question of where the WMD Saddam bought from the Russians went was that they went to Syria and Lebanon," former Deputy Undersecretary of Defense John A. Shaw told an audience Saturday at a privately sponsored "Intelligence Summit" in Alexandria, Va. (www.intelligencesummit.org).

"They were moved by Russian Spetsnaz (special forces) units out of uniform, that were specifically sent to Iraq to move the weaponry and eradicate any evidence of its existence," he said.

Read the full article at http://newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/2/18/233023.shtml?s=lh

[GR]

1. I Believe There Is Irrefutable Evidence It Was The Tooth Fairy...

And she left a c-note in Saddam's spider hole too...

[papau]

2. And before they were moved we knew exactly where they were and told

the inspectors-

who were then blinded and tongues removed since that can be the only reason we have not heard of a UN inspector finding a damn thing.

[EstimatedProphet]

3. Here's a rebuttal

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/powell-no-wmd.htm
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On 29 July 2001, Condoleezza Rice appeared on CNN Late Edition With Wolf Blitzer (an anonymous reader sent me the full transcript from Lexis-Nexis). Guest host John King asked Rice about the fact that Iraq had recently fired on US planes enforcing the "no-fly zones" in Iraq. Rice craftily responds:

Well, the president has made very clear that he considers Saddam Hussein to be a threat to his neighbors, a threat to security in the region, in fact a threat to international security more broadly.

Notice that she makes it clear that Bush is the one who considers Hussein a threat. She doesn't say, "I consider..." or even, "We consider..."

Then King asks her about the sanctions against Iraq. She replies:

But in terms of Saddam Hussein being there, let's remember that his country is divided, in effect. He does not control the northern part of his country. We are able to keep arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt.

King doesn't think to ask Rice, if Hussein hasn't been getting arms and his forces weren't rebuilt after the 1991 Gulf War, why Bush considers him a threat.
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15 May 2001:
Secretary Powell: The sanctions, as they are called, have succeeded over the last 10 years, not in deterring him from moving in that direction, but from actually being able to move in that direction. The Iraqi regime militarily remains fairly weak. It doesn't have the capacity it had 10 or 12 years ago. It has been contained. And even though we have no doubt in our mind that the Iraqi regime is pursuing programs to develop weapons of mass destruction -- chemical, biological and nuclear -- I think the best intelligence estimates suggest that they have not been terribly successful. There's no question that they have some stockpiles of some of these sorts of weapons still under their control, but they have not been able to break out, they have not been able to come out with the capacity to deliver these kinds of systems or to actually have these kinds of systems that is much beyond where they were 10 years ago.
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Both Rice and Powell are on record before 9/11 stating that Iraq is not a threat to the US, that the sanctions were working, and that Iraq had not rebuilt their military forces.

[Dr. Jones]

5. Excellent!

That one's a keeper. I saw clips of Rice and Powell saying these things on Fahrenheit 9/11, I believe...but was never able to get actual links. Thanks!!

[gratuitous]

4. The short refutation: Prove it

And how did our faultless spy apparatus completely miss this large-scale evacuation of WMDs? We had near-total control over Iraqi airspace and total satellite surveillance coverage of Iraq. How come nobody in the Bush administration said, "Hey, they're moving those weapons out of the country! Let's stop them."

Because there surely exist before and after satellite photos of those weapons sites while they were there and then when they weren't there. And even after removal, chemical and biological weapons leave some residue that can't be entirely scrubbed away. I wonder if Undersecretary Shaw is just spinning a pleasing tale to a selected audience to gull the gullible? After all, this corrupt administration has a pretty extensive record of lying its ass off in order to provide justification for its egregiously criminal acts.

So, where's the proof to back up Mr. Shaw's assertions? The satellite photography; the interviews with Russian special forces personnel; the current locations in Syria and Lebanon of those ol' debbil Weapons of Mass Destruction? It makes a pleasing tale for the dwindling faithful, but where is the proof? Where is the evidence? And why is this evidence only being purveyed to select audiences of supporters rather than shown to a world that has grown rightfully skeptical of Bush adminsitration lies?

[txindy]

6. Oh, Russia's the bogeyman, again?

It's a little early for reruns, isn't it?

Do these people have NO imagination or are they just that stupid? Rhetorical question.

[MadMaddie]

8. I was thinking the same thing....

If it walks like Rove, smells like Rove then it must be Rove...

Another distraction ploy....now Russia is going to get added to the Axis of evil...because they are not supporting the * Cabal.

This is not very smart because Putin....will not tolerate the bs....

The * Cabal is getting desperate..It almost makes you wonder if they are intentionally trying to unite the world against the US. If it were four years ago I would say "That's just crazy", but having lived through the last four years, I am saying "anything is possible"!!

[johnaries]

7. How about this?

Testimony from Saddam's "his weapons chief (and son-in-law) Hussein Kamel" who defected. Also shows how Bush "cherry-picked" info:
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2825

Kamel defected from Iraq in 1995, and talked at great length with U.N. weapons inspectors and the CIA about Iraq's unconventional weapons programs. He revealed at that time that Iraq's chemical, biological and nuclear weapons programs had been more advanced than the Saddam Hussein regime had admitted to the inspectors. Kamel publicly revealed the concealment of WMD-related activities in an interview with CNN (9/21/95): "The order was to hide much of it from the start, and we hid a lot of that information. These were not individual acts of concealment, but were as a result of direct orders from the top." So the fact that Saddam Hussein was attempting to deceive the weapons inspectors, as in ABC's tape, is hardly news more than 10 years later.

But ABC's story does not include what was arguably Kamel's more important revelation, which was that Iraq had destroyed its stocks of usable unconventional weapons. "Iraq does not possess any weapons of mass destruction," he told CNN in 1995. He told the same story to U.N. and U.S. officials, saying that by destroying the weapons in the summer of 1991, Saddam Hussein hoped to conceal how far Iraq had gotten in developing weapons, with the intent of restarting these programs after the inspection regime was ended.

Hussein Kamel was lured back to Iraq in 1996, where he was almost immediately killed by Saddam Hussein's forces. But when the Bush administration began gearing up for war with Iraq in 2002, it found that selective citation of Kamel's testimony could be very helpful in making its case. Vice President Dick Cheney asserted in an August 2002 speech (8/26/02) that the Iraqi regime had been "very busy enhancing its capabilities in the field of chemical and biological agents," and continued "to pursue the nuclear program they began many years ago." To back this up these claims, Cheney added, "We've gotten this from the firsthand testimony of defectors, including Saddam's own son-in-law"—a reference to Kamel.

edit to add: one of the Google recommended related searches was "George Bush Sucks" :rofl:

[chaumont58]

9. Hell, martians did it! You are wasting your time. An IQ less than 100...

is going to believe NewsMax and Rush and Sean all the time. Remember Lincoln: You can fool some of the people, all of the time.

[dchill]

10. Refute this!

Saddam's WMDs were loaded onto a remote-control drone and crashed into the Pentagon in September of 2001.

[rustydog]

11. We moved ALL our satellite intellegence gathering focus

on Iraq.
If Saddam had tried to ship a tampon out of iraq, bush would have known about it.
Thousands of tons of WMDs will not fit in the back of a pickup or the trunk of a chevy.
It would take convoys of 18-wheelers.

It simply did not happen.

[Kansas Wyatt]

12. Yep, BushCo was watching all of Iraq 24/7

BushCo was looking for the slightest provocation to pounce on Saddam's ass.

Their claims are delusional and desperate fantasy.