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FormerRepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 02:22 PM
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Is Bush planning another terrorist strike on US soil with his pal...
...Bin Laden?

We know the Administration wants to strike Iran. We also know that in the current environment post-Iraq invasion, the American public will resist another invasion. We're overextended already militarily, and while the public worries about Iran, we're not stupid about how stretched we are in Iraq and how ill prepared we are for another military adventure on yet another front.

Public opinion of the Bush Administration is also in the dumper. They've lost credibility and more and more Americans realize they're being lied to. So, when Bush floats his plans to invade Iran, the American public is more sceptical and less likely to believe him.

So what's a criminal Bush to do except engineer another terrorist strike on US soil to facilitate military adventures in Iran? Bin Laden's most recent communication was in January:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/20/news/tape.php

Shortly thereafter, Bush makes public supposed terrorist threats against LA, which have been strongly attacked by the public and the press as being somewhat untruthful.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2821

Bush has a larger looming problem. 2006 is an election year. If Bush follows past habit and invades Iran against the wishes of the American public, the voter backlash would be overwhelming and Bush would lose his power hedgemony that allows him to do as he pleases, both in legislation and in "other" activities. So Bush is in a bind if he wants to invade Iran. What might his solution be?

As we also know, numerous American ports are being sold by thier current holding company to a company in the United Arab Emirates. The approval of this venture was meant to remain quiet, as the lack of press coverage indicates. The advantage of ports controlled by a foreign entity is that it gives Bush plausible deniability in any involvement in a subsequent terror attack - there's political risk which can be managed through spin, but no suggestion of COMPLICITY. It also gives Bush an ally in pointing the blame away from the Administration and toward some 3rd party terrorist like Bin Laden or his sympathizers. However, the plans to sell control of the ports has become public and the subject of some controversy. Why is Bush still resisting the pressure to disallow this sale? Could it be because materiel necessary for a terrorist attack must be brought in through one of these ports - perhaps even WMD? And a terrorist sympathetic ally in the Middle East might be willing to work with the worst within the Administration to use port access to pull off another 9/11 style attack.

There's no doubt that a terrorist attack on US soil could eliminate a lot of Bush's problems in selling an Iran invasion to the US public, especially if some evidence can be manufactured regarding a terrorist link back to Iran itself. We're seeing the staging of just such an attack with the release of a message by Bin Laden threating another attack on US soil and Bush's "revelation" of an already thwarted terror attack on LA. In same ways, the public hearings on the inadequacies of the Department of Homeland Security also play into the hands of Bush if he is planning another attack. How could an incompetent DHS be expected to stop a determined Iran-funded Bin Laden from completing an attack?

9/11 also showed that the American public responds differently after an attack - we're affected by shock, grief, by a desire for revenge and self defense, and we're more militaristic and more likely to be led into less sensible military adventures. This public sentiment was shamelessly exploited by Cheney and his cabal - supported by Bush - when they engineered us into the Iraq war. Why wouldn't Bush repeat a strategy that has already been successful?

At this point, all we can do is speculate regarding what Bush's intentions are. However, circumstantial evidence is starting to build that something is in the works with regards to Iran. The House has recently passed a resolution regarding Iran:

http://speaker.house.gov/library/intrelations/060216IranRes.shtml

There's also the counter-intuitive move by the Bush Administration - who rigidly adheres to a military presence in Iraq - to draw down forces there. Could this be because certain military personnel will be required for action against Iran? We know the Pentagon, on instructions from the White House, has drawn up plans for a potential strike on Iran's nuclear facilities:

http://www.zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?itemID=7287§ionID=67

There are also additional rumors of US planning for an attack on Iran, such as this one:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1139395445405&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

The fortunate election of more hard line leaders in Germany, and their influence with other European nations, has helped the Bush Administration gain more international support for a potential military action against Iran. The growing numbers of cartoon protests has also assisted in generating more international support in the West for action against extremist Islamic nations like Iran. So, with the international community moving toward the Bush position on Iran, it leaves only domestic support as an obstacle.

The aftermath of Katrina makes it clear that this Administration feels nothing when thousands of Americans are killed, so any hope that loyalty to our country and our people would limit Bush Administration actions seem pointless. We also know from past actions that the Bush Administration agenda doesn't always put America's national interests and security first.

Given the public facts we already know, it would seem a domestic terrorist attack would logically be next on Bush's agenda.
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Mike Nelson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 02:25 PM
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1. Yes
(short answer)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 02:26 PM
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slampoet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 02:28 PM
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4. except in hindsite and the history books.
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FormerRepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 02:32 PM
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6. Because in the Bush Administration, the conspiracy theories often...
Edited on Mon Feb-20-06 03:02 PM by FormerRepublican
...turn out to be the truth. I will not blind myself to what's going on for fear that someone over on the right might think I'm a nut. Heck, they'll think we're all nuts REGARDLESS of what we do - it's called politics.

Edit to add: Now is probably a good time to bring in some of THIS info:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0208/S00148.htm
http://ist-socrates.berkeley.edu/~pdscott/q4c.html
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/14abudhabi.htm
http://www.voltairenet.org/article30110.html

http://www.library.cornell.edu/colldev/mideast/qdagold.htm
http://hsgac.senate.gov/index.cfm?Fuseaction=Hearings.Testimony&HearingID=106&WitnessID=370

That's the start of it. There are far more links to information all over the web.

You are free, however, to hide this thread so you're not forced to view it.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 02:47 PM
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11. are you insane ?
go google "loose change 2 video" spend an hour and educate yourself please

oh yea welcome to DU
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 02:48 PM
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12. this administration is proving all conspiracy theories correct.
I remember complaining BEFORE the invasion of Iraq, that the quantanamo detainees were unprotected against torture and abuse. I was accused of being a conspiracy nut.

seems I was right.

IF you think something is conspiracy "junk", just wait, and Bushco will prove it correct.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 02:49 PM
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13. oh contre mon amie, blue antidote
Edited on Mon Feb-20-06 02:49 PM by seemslikeadream
if you'd like to see some thing that looks totally bufoonish check out this

http://www.wimp.com/bushcomedy/
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 02:51 PM
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15. that name is scary
blue antidote............ sounds like hes trying to cure us
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 03:01 PM
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17. Thats the best I have ever heard dubya speak !! Thanks
hehehe even the red necks think hes a friggin idiot
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Sugar Smack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 02:50 PM
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14. Bless your heart.
Enjoy your little stay, blue "antidote".
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 02:27 PM
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3. Other countries have actually done similar things.
Here's a long scholarly article about the very subject:

http://www.gnn.tv/B12624
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 02:30 PM
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5. Were there any tapes or anything before 9/11?
I hope nothing happens but I wouldn't hold my breath. Where do you think they would attack?
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Cyrano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 02:38 PM
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7. At all facilities working on alternative energy programs.
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soulcore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 02:44 PM
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10. I hadn't thought of that.
I've got no illusions about what 9/11 really was or what our gov't is capable of, but that thought literally gave me chills.

It all makes perfect sense tho.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 02:40 PM
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8. That's about as likely as
a US President sitting listening to schoolkids read out loud while the two tallest buildings in America burn to the ground or strumming a guitar while a major city drowns.

...oh waitaminute...
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 02:42 PM
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9. Osama has a new tape out TODAY link here
Edited on Mon Feb-20-06 02:44 PM by Twist_U_Up
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1630388,00050006.htm

Osama bin Laden promised never to be captured alive and declared the US had resorted to the same "barbaric" tactics used by Saddam Hussein.

In a 11 minute 26 second audiotape, the Al-Qaeda leader said, "I have sworn to only live free. Even if I find bitter the taste of death, I don't want to die humiliated or deceived."

The tape appeared to be a complete version of one that was first broadcast on January 19 on Al-Jazeera, the pan-Arab satellite channel, in which bin Laden offered the United States a long-term truce but also said his Al-Qaeda terror network would soon launch a fresh attack on American soil.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 02:53 PM
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16. C'mon- this is about politics and money, and that's it.
Edited on Mon Feb-20-06 02:55 PM by Marr
The Republicans want to be able to claim they've increased funding for "border security". This way, they can hand gobs of public money to their investors (Halliburton), *and* claim to be 'beefing up border security' at the same time. It's the same thing we've seen a million times with so-called "defense spending". It always works like this.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 03:08 PM
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18. so I take it that........
the elections 2000-2004 weren't stolen and 9/11 wasnt an inside job ? PNAC doesn't exist and the bushs havent been around any of our greatest national tragedies.

If you beleive that I'd like to sell you some of our ports.

Oh wait I cant UAE owns them
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 06:07 PM
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19. Oh, god.
You offer a string of opinions, and if someone happens to disagree with any one of them, they're must also disagree with the others.

That's the sort of black/white, "with us or against us" crap I don't usually expect to find on this site.
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-20-06 06:11 PM
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20. If we get hit in another terrorist attack, B*sh might be able to use it
as a rationale for invading Iran, but first he would have to explain why he hadn't kept America safe from terrorists after all this time. The brain-dead right-wingers would no longer have their "they ain't attacked us again" national security blanket.
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