The Nation-state is becoming irrelevent, the corporations are taking over

[Odin2005]

We are more and more are becoming defacto ruled not by our elected governments, but by multinational corporations. We are becoming like the corporate dystopia in Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars novels. Since capital is mobile but labor is not the multinationals can force countries to weaken thier regulations and trade barriers and create a race to the bottom. I think a world government, a global federal republic, is the only solution, only a global state can force the multinationals to it's will and prevent the race to the bottom.

[Selatius]

1. I don't think escalation is in order

If we create a world government, we could just as easily be advocating a cure that can be as bad if not worse than the disease. The last thing we want is to deal with a corrupt government that has jurisdiction over every last inch of soil on the planet. Also, what if nations don't want to give up their independence? There would be war.

You're better off crippling corporations by removing the notion of corporate personhood from US law as well as removing the free speech rights of corporations.

[Pharaoh]

5. yes selatius

re- regulating the corporations is the sane step to take right now...........

but who is speaking to this now?

[CJCRANE]

2. Or Neal Stephenson's "Snow Crash" nt

[Pharaoh]

3. hear hear!!

thats it in a nutshell

K&R

[deutsey]

4. What's this "are taking over", kimosabe?

They *have* taken over...

[Karenina]

8. WORLDWIDE, might I add...

:hide:

[TahitiNut]

6. Puppet States of Colonial Corporatism

GATT, NAFTA, CAFTA, WTO ... absolutely every one designed to subordinate government "of, by, and for the people." Human beings as mere commodities - the moral corruption of the slave days.

[htuttle]

7. I had a political science professor tell me that was happening in 1981

I do not currently have an answer other than things I do not see possible under our current government, such as removing corporate personhood, requiring the global right to collective bargaining as a condition of entrance to WTO, etc....

Right now, I'm assuming they'll lose a lot of their control as they (and we) run out of gas.
:shrug:

[BeHereNow]

9. YES! THAT IS the point!

I have been screaming this on DU for a very long time.
At this point, I find the "call to action" threads to
contact our "representatives" laughable.
Our "representatives" are OWNED by the Multi National Corporate thugs!
AS IF they are going to act in OUR interests?
ROTFLMAO!

BHN

[Blutodog]

10. Corporatism = Fascism - Mussolini 1924

Mussolini one of the 20th Centuries most brutal Fascist Dictators was accurate and too the point when he called Fascism essentially a marriage of the State the Big Corps. The Bu$h admin. is merely applying this formula to another previously Democratic Republic. The Rights enduring critique of all Democratic regimes is that the mob will always vote itself someone else's (the rich) money. It's solution in the 20th century was fascism by force. They've greatly improved their method over time since they realize brute force doesn't hold the masses for very long. Instead with the advent of a much deeper understanding of Mass Psychology through advertising and the ownership ( privatization) of the ballot box ( Diebold et al.) they can now use a combination of sophisticated Psy Ops campaigns and advanced methods of voting fraud to turn the electorate into mindless sheep and negate the ballot. Democracy isn't abolished it's just "controlled." A democratic facade complete with a neutered Congress or Parliament is kept and all the window dressing of votes etc. are maintained. The Roman Senate was kept by the Emperors for much the same reason. We forget Emperor only meant "the first among many." meaning the Dictator of the Senate. In our system we now have a new fascist twist on this idea with so called conservative jurists calling the President the "unitary executive." That's really just a fancy way of calling him a King or a Dictator. So there it is we now for all practical purposes are living in the "twilight" that occurs right before despotism is firmly in place. Most people don't know history so they don't understand that fascism in Europe evolved slowly over 3 decades in Europe before it became malignant and started a new World War. It's really sad that we have now become the direct threat to world peace we have always seen coming from others. Most Americans have no idea how hostile the rest of humanity is to the Bu$h regime and by extension the rest of us. Needless to say I fear for our future.

[BeHereNow]

11. AMEN Brother Blutodog AND

WELCOME TO DU!
CAN I TELL YOU IT ALWAYS THRILLS ME
TO SEE DU NEWBIES LIKE YOU POST IN
THE CONTEXT OF OUR GLOBAL CONTEXT OF REALITY?
BHN

[Blutodog]

13. Newbie?

Actually, I have been reading here for yrs. just decided to start posting for some reason? Happy my posts are atleast being read by some folks.

[BeHereNow]

14. Keep on posting!

Newbie only in the sense of post counts, obviously...
don't hold back!
We need your perspective, based in REALITY,
more than ever here on DU.

BHN

[Odin2005]

12. back in the 1910s, the German historian Oswald Spengler...

said that the West was in decline and that despots will pop up all over the place as they did the late Roman Republic. The last 80 years have shown that Spengler was right.

[sandnsea]

15. World Domination is their GOAL

The handful of CEO's are currently taking control of all the industries needed to have global power, specifically the Bushes. It'll be WAY too big to organize any unified power amongst the people to take it back. I'm afraid if we don't move soon, it'll be too late, and may be too late already.