Bush to dead soldier's mom: "How do you know his life would have been good

[Twist_U_Up]

http://www.ustourofduty.org/pages/videoDoloresPrez_high.html

VIDEO INTERVEIW WITH Dolores Kesterson

By Jeff Norman
August 11, 2005
Cindy Sheehan is not the only Gold Star mom who felt disrespected after a visit with George W. Bush. Dolores Kesterson, whose son Erik was killed in Iraq in November of 2003, was among several military families who last year were invited to meet with Bush as a group. Each family was allotted ten minutes with the president, but because she is divorced from her husband, Dolores asked to speak with Bush one-on-one.

Dolores reports exclusively for U.S. Tour of Duty that she waited alone in a small partitioned area, wondering if her request would be granted, before a Bush aide suddenly announced, "The president will now see you." As the commander in chief strode briskly toward her, it seemed to Dolores that he was trying to intimidate her. "He came marching in and got right in my face...eyeball to eyeball, and said, 'I'm George Bush, the president of the United States, and I understand you have something to say to me in private.'"

Dolores tried to give Bush a sense of what type of person Erik had been. She described her son as a "comedian" whose favorite saying was, "Life is good." The president replied, "How do you know his life would have been good?"

Dolores was shocked by Bush's eagerness to question the value of her son's life. She told the president, "Nobody wants to die."

Before he concluded their meeting, Bush proclaimed to Dolores, "We won't know in our lifetime whether or not Iraq was a success."

[Wickerman]

1. that is shocking, even for that psycho n/t

[acmejack]

What a guy.

Notice how every one of these people report he marches up to them and announces he is "George Bush, President of the United States" as if they may not be aware of that. What in the hell is up with that?

[speedoo]

14. It's part of his intimidation play.

He wants to minimize the time he spends with these folks. I think he also does not like "special requests" to see him alone.

[HuskerDU]

19. Reminds me of a scene in Dukes of Hazzard when Roscoe

says, 'Enis this here is your superior officer, Sherrif Roscoe P Coltrane, you got you're ears on over?' Enis says, 'I know who you are Sherrif.'

Fans of DOH know the scary similarity of Roscoe and *. Roscoe combined arrogance and incompetence. Add evil to that mix and you have *.

[Marie26]

35. "How Dare You Question ME?"

That's what he's saying to them. He's hoping he can intimidate them from the beginning so they don't say something negative about the war.

[politicat]

72. self delete

[rodeodance]

2. god he is heartless--and a bit off topic-but how many times has he already

said irag was a success even as he now says requires more work.

"We won't know in our lifetime whether or not Iraq was a success."

[Timefortruth]

3. Bush knows the world is going to shit

he was just being kind by sharing his insights.

[BlueEyedSon]

4. OTOH, we will know in our lifetime that the Bush presidency was a failure

[NJCher]

18. we knew before he was selected that his admin would be a failure

I knew he would be a failure the minute I heard he was being considered for the republican candidate, way back in the late 90s. It was an easy deduction: everything he's attempted in life, he's failed at. Why would governance of the U.S. be any different?

Failure failure failure. Failed failed failed.

Also re the "know in our lifetime" meme, this was being said about Cheney by the champion bush ho's at Newsweek about Cheney. They said he was "resolute" about knowing that the wisdom of his decisions would not be known for generations.

This is the new lie they are not only telling themselves, but the American public, too.




Cher

[Kierkegaard]

23. We knew before it began that it was destined for failure.

His track record speaks volumes!

[roody]

76. Please pass the failure fries.

[speedoo]

5. Just one more piece of evidence the Coward has no soul.

I don't know what the Constitution says, but to me this by itself is an impeachable offense.

[speedoo]

49. Reminds me of Law & Order - SVU.

You know, how the cops find more and more victims of a certain perp.

I wonder how many more there are, besides Cindy and Dolores.

[johnnie]

6. That fucker never ceases to amaze me

I am at a loss for words. He is such a fucking embarrassment.

[babylonsister]

7. What an utter, unfeeling, buffoon. How I hate this man. nt

[ewagner]

8. This report is jaw-dropping!

I expect that Dolores will be promptly "swiftboated" for her honesty.....

[Twist_U_Up]

12. actually this is from Aug 2005

How has this not bee uncovered yet ? WTF

[beyurslf]

9. What;'s the clinical definition of a pyshco? Jesus, what a crazy freak!

[MadMaddie]

Why is this not played over and over again...

* doesn't give a hoot about our soldiers. They are merely play pawns in his sick world dominiation scheme.

And it appears that * never really thought the US could win Iraq!!

He is a pathetic excuse for a human being.

[The Backlash Cometh]

10. He's a psychopath who has a King complex. He thinks our lives

are disposable and we live to make his life easier.

[Maru Kitteh]

41. You forgot die

As in we live and DIE to make his life easier.

[HuskerDU]

11. This is the same man who mocked a condemned to death

woman (Karla Faye Tucker) by saying, 'Don't hurt me.'

Karla had Pat Robertson and all the rest pleading for her life. Apparently, she was 'saved' which is why all the fundies rose to her defense. The guy is a living monster.

[booksenkatz]

13. Idiot son of an asshole and a sea hag, what can you expect?

"How do you know his life would have been good?"

That has got to be the most breathtaking statement I've ever heard someone make to a bereaved parent. Ever.

Ever.

[sui generis]

15. we won't know in our lifetime?????

Weapons of Mass Destruction, period.

Mission Accomplished.

won't know in our lifetime? when did that moving target move again off over the horizon?

[laruemtt]

16. what else can you expect from a guy whose mother

said what she did of the displaced survivors of katrina - that they've never had it so good so this is working out very well for them. the nut didn't fall far from the tree......

[Arkansas Granny]

17. This is a callous and heartless statement. Does he ever think

about what he is saying?

[SammyWinstonJack]

30. Yes and he just doesn't care. He, like the rest of the bush clan hold

the American people in great disdain, something Prescott bush taught his ghoulish spawn and they passed it forward.

[wicket]

20. He's such a son of a bitch!

:grr:

[Twist_U_Up]

21. literally. nt

[wicket]

50. amen to that

:7

[TallahasseeGrannie]

22. I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt

because he's a better politician than that. I think he meant "tell me about what his life would have been like."

He is not that much of a cartoon. He's a jerk, yes, but he has some semblance of a brain in there somewhere.

[Twist_U_Up]

24. Noo he meant every word

click on the link in my sig line. Everything that comes out of his mouth is perfectly scripted.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

32. Oh, my...that is pitifully funny

"can't wait to hang it."

I guess that's what happens when he veers off script.

[Twist_U_Up]

36. Thats a rove qoute ,Im sure

He isn't smart enough to come up with that himself.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

38. Dear God you don't think it was just

a faux pas? You honestly think they would have consciously set out to insult Coretta Scott King?

They are crazier than I ever imagined, if that is the case.

[Twist_U_Up]

44. No doubt in my mind

she stood for everything that dubya and his minions try to destroy daily.

[Maru Kitteh]

46. I think in Georgie's mind he was meant to die - God picked Georgie >

Georgie sent her son to war > Her son died in Georgie's war = God wanted Georgie to die, possibly because he was destined for a terrible life of strife and pain.

Therefore Georgie has benevolently spared her son from a life of misery by getting him killed.

[Marie26]

52. I think you might have it. nt

[Marie26]

53. Sure he is

He does twists on words all the time. Most of his stupid nicknames are twists on words. That's his sick sense of "humor".

[Twist_U_Up]

47. the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King

"I saw an orderly buildup of evil, an accumulation of inhumanities, each of which alone is sufficient to make men hide in shame. What was woeful, but true, was that my country was only talking peace but was bent on military victory. Inside the glove of peace was the clenched fist of war. I now stood naked with shame and guilt, as indeed every German should have when his government was using its military power to overwhelm other nations. Whether right or wrong, I had for too long allowed myself to be a silent onlooker. At best, I was a loud speaker but a quiet actor, while a charade was being performed." - the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King

[Mandate My Ass]

26. Wow

it's not like he hasn't been an inappropriate mean asshole ever before. :eyes:

Nobody gets a pass on saying something that cruel to a grieving mother.

[WinkyDink]

37. All extant evidence is that Bush is an unfeeling sociopath.

He MEANT what he SAID. Cruel with no witnesses. Just the way Bush likes it.
(If he were so bright and/or human, he'd have worded it the way YOU did.)

[TallahasseeGrannie]

39. Maybe..maybe

I guess that is just so far outside my ability to understand I just can't even see it.

[Marie26]

48. It's hard to do

And it's really not fun to do. But it's the little comments like that that really reveal the psychology of the man. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt in this way - I don't believe he was intentionally trying to hurt her feelings. He just wasn't thinking about her at all. Bush was just rationalizing this man's death to himself - he'd "have a bad life" anyway, history will justify the war, etc. I think Bush does have distant twinges of doubt sometimes - that's why he's so eager to shut up anyone who doubts him. He does not want to be confronted w/reality, or made to feel guilty. It's all about HIM, really.

[WinkyDink]

62. "He just wasn't thinking about her at all."

Precisely.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

71. And I guess (without being a shrink)

that is the essence of narcissism?

[Marie26]

75. w/o being a psychologist,

I think so.

[lectrobyte]

57. it's pretty shocking, and we'd like to believe better about our

fellow human beings (I'm being generous here), but after all the documented things that he's said which reveal his character -- for example, mocking the woman on Death Row -- I'm surprised that people have trouble believing he'd actually say that.

[Brotherjohn]

59. I won't. I completely believe he'd question what kind of life her son...

... would have. It's his fundamentalist wacko way of rationalizing what he has done. She also didn't say those were his exact words, but that he said something to that effect (which I'm sure he did).

Yes, it's her word against his, and he knew that. He knew he was seeing her in private, at her request, and plainly came in to intimidate her and challenge her (because he knew she would be challenging him).

I saw the video, and I believe the mom. And I already know from experience that nothing Bush says can be trusted.

[Bluebear]

78. Indeed. nt

[Rose Siding]

25. He hides behind that 'historical perspective' defense at every opportunity

He seems to believe, childishly, that it exonerates him of all real-time accountability.

[Brotherjohn]

69. Exactly. When you know your actions have failed miserably, it's all you...

... can say.

He also often says "history" will judge him.

NO, you dumba#*, the American people (and hopefully, Congress in 2006) will judge you.

[wherewingstakedream]

27. I would call this monster a piece of shit

but that would be an INSULT to fecal matter everywhere. :nuke:

[Beelzebud]

28. If true, Bush is an even lower piece of shit than even I had imagined....

[LibDemAlways]

29. Anyone who is comfortable in his

own skin wouldn't announce who the hell he is - particularly when it's already evident. Can you imagine, "I'm Brad Pitt, movie star" "I'm Kofi Annan, UN Secretary General" "I'm Vladimer Putin, Russian President"?

It would be laughable if it wasn't so pitiful that the boob is so insecure he has to trot out his title. I would have been so tempted to come back with , "I was expecting to see the President. Where's Cheney?"

As for the way he treated Ms. Kesterson, the word "shameful" comes to mind, except that the bastard has no shame.

[CrazyOrangeCat]

31. Batshit Crazy . . . with a side order of Meaner than a Snake.

(apologies to all snakes.)

[Marie26]

33. Ah. Bush

Always finding the silver lining. Nothing he says really surprises me anymore.

[midnight]

34. This stuff does not get any media attention in the US.

Because if it did, Bush would have this country calling for his resignation.

[mediaman007]

40. Erik could have been someone's grandfather...

For that little boy or little girl, Erik's life would have been good.

[htuttle]

42. You're a mean one, Mr. Bush.

You really are a heel.
You're as cuddly as a cactus,
You're as charming as an eel.
Mr. Bush.

You're a bad banana
With a greasy black peel.


You're a monster, Mr. Bush.
Your heart's an empty hole.
Your brain is full of spiders,
You've got garlic in your soul.
Mr. Bush.


I wouldn't touch you, with a
thirty-nine-and-a-half foot pole.

[SmokingJacket]

43. "Yeah, maybe he'd have turned into someone like you, Bush!!" nt

[Th1onein]

45. You've GOT to be kidding!

If he said that? He is definitely--no doubt, no exaggeration, no hyperbole--a sociopath.

[Doctor_J]

51. This has to be from the Onion

Even too stupid to be president wouldn't let this one out. Of course, without his prompter,...

[Marie26]

54. Nope - it's true. nt

[Brotherjohn]

56. No. Jump to the original link. Video of the mom telling the tale.

Powerful stuff.

[izzybeans]

55. Not to deflate this because it's very telling

but this was reported alongside Cindy Sheehan's stories from the very beginning. This is a repeat of story published on After Dowining Street this summer for instance. Corresponding to the Date on the story. August.

I think this is in the archives here.

However thanks for the reminder I had actually thought it was Cindy Sheehan who he told this to. It's good to know because I've told this story wrong before.

[Darkhawk32]

58. TIME OUT! Kesterson? Kesterson? Edit: Ding! Found it!

Wasn't she on TV once as someone that the news agencies put up to attack Sheehan, but it backfired on them?

Am I remembering the correct person?

Edit:

After a search, yes I was correct, she smacked down O'Reilly hard when she was questioned...

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/08/10.html#a4398

[Twist_U_Up]

67. Damn, I'm not getting any sound.

from either file types. Anyone got this where it works ?>

[Morning Dew]

82. she's also, I believe, the real mother

of the Kesterson in the "midwest heroes" tv commercial that features his stepmom.

http://ed-fitzgerald.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/2/17/92648/2272

[liberal N proud]

60. He is a sick fucker!

Enough said.

[Brotherjohn]

61. "We won't know in our lifetime whether or not Iraq was a success."?!?

Well, there's a foreign policy to hang your hat on! There's a morale-booster for the troops, huh?

[AndyA]

63. Proof that Bush isn't human

I don't know for certain what he is...but he isn't human.

[WI_DEM]

64. The man is a fiend

[AndyA]

65. Of course, this is something you'd expect from a born again Christian! n/m

[samplegirl]

66. Let Bush lose both his daughters to

this war and ask him how good his life is and if the war is now
a success.

[WinkyDink]

74. Would he care? I'm not so sure.

[daleo]

68. He sounds seriously disturbed

He is either unable to empathize or is subconsciously feeling extremely guilty. I am inclined to go for the first explanation.

[Solly Mack]

70. Damn. Kill your son, slap you in the face, then rub your face in it

What a guy!

[dflprincess]

73. This is the mom who was left out of the ads being run in Minnesota

There's some horrible prowar ads being run in Minnesota right now. One uses the families of dead soldiers to justify it. In Erik Kesterson's case, it's his dad on his stepmom - though the ad never tells you its the stepmom and, of course, never tells you what his mother thinks of all this.

post # 24 at
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=160x17057#17115

or
http://www.startribune.com/357/story/252923.html

[smirkymonkey]

77. GOD - I hate that fucking PIG!

I could spit nails right now. I can barely get my mind around that level of selfishness, hatefulness and nerve. My goal in life is to live long enough to see that bastard suffer the way he has made others suffer. :grr: :mad:

[NVMojo]

79. KICK! This is the same arrogance we heard from today on the port deal!

[stevedeshazer]

80. An oldie but a goodie

Peering through a glass into Bush's dark heart.

[KyndCulture]

81. He's a piece of human waste... omg....

I've been away for a few days... and this was an amazing wake up call.

[misternormal]

83. This is indeed a sad event...

... The shocker of course, is that through clandestine means, this man assumed the duties of the President of our country.

This man, who has continuously proved what a self-serving, sociopathic, psychopath that he is.

He cares not for the young men and women of this country, who would through their patriotism and heroism would gladly lay down their lives for the protection of this land.

His love is for the almighty dollar. The gold that lines the pockets of his corporate cronies and his political toadies. If one is christian, then you will seem to think that satisfaction may come when he has to stand before his maker on judgment day. I am not a christian, so I do not have that luxury.

I think that someone close to him should stand in harm's way, and if the unthinkable should happen, then perhaps someone might ask him the question... "How do you know your daughter's life would have been good?"

[jbnow]

86. He'd know his daughters lives would be good

because they are rich.

It's the rest of us he finds expendable.

[proud patriot]

84. How dare bush treat her like that

:mad:

[orleans]

85. that poor woman--i'm so sorry she had to go through that....

the death of her son

the crap with bush.

GEORGE BUSH IS SUCH AN ASSHOLE!!!!!

[TorchTheWitch]

87. OMG - He may has well have just come right out

and said that the guy wasn't worth shit and he's better off dead. What a fucking pig.

[B Calm]

88. What the hell are we waiting for? Impeach this idiot!!

[YOY]

89. "How do you know his life would have been good?"

"I mean after what I' adoin' t' the economy and him not bein' speshul born like me! Gonna say wouldn't a been vary good!"

[Pool Hall Ace]

90. Way to support the troops, President Numbnutz.

:mad: