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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:42 PM
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Ask yourself: Why is Bush so damned determined to keep the port deal?
From the front page of Drudge: BUSH ISSUES VETO THREAT; VOWS TO KEEP PORT DEAL

Even with his own political base rising up against him on this issue, even with liberals and conservatives agreeing this is a huge mistake, even with Congress threatening to intervene, even with New York and Maryland threatening to take action on their own, Bush is steadfastly refusing to back down on this. This reminds me of Bush's dogged defense of his illegal wiretaps, vowing to keep doing them in the face of increasing opposition.

You have to ask yourself WHY is Chimpy so goddamned determined to go through with this?
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:44 PM
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1. Follow the money.....
Theres always money involved....wouldn't be surprised if the Saudi's were involved!!
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:53 PM
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19. Carlyle, Carlyle, Carlyle
Who the hell cares what YOU think?
(good compilation with links)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x474465

UAE corp. exec. to be U.S. DOT Administrator. (Jan. 06)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x472586
Edward Copeland (52 posts) Mon Feb-20-06 03:50 PM
1. This thing is smelling worse all the time
On top of the bipartisan criticism of this plan, including Tom Ridge, a poster on my blog tipped me off to this angle: a key executive of the UAE company was appointed by Dubya in January to a key transportation department post overseeing maritime issues and serving under Norman Mineta.

Here is the link to the company's own press release:
http://www.dpiterminals.com/fullnews.asp?NewsID=39


Port security should have been an issue before Bush decided to sell it
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2471299&mesg_id=2471299
Link:
Key lawmaker says U.S. should freeze port deal
http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/centredaily/news/local/13914905.htm?source=rss&channel=centredaily_local

the connection to it all - Carlyle Group involved in port security deal
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2471320#2471323
also: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x473813
and: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x474295
Link: http://www.bridgedeck.org/mmp_news_archive/2002/mmp_news021219.html
and: http://www.nsnet.com/archive-1-2005-02.html
and: http://www.informare.it/news/review/2003/b030303.asp


Our Ports are a Tradeoff!! All about $$$ and Oil
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x471124
Link: http://www.oilandgasnewsonline.com/bkArticlesF.asp?Article=14878&Section=1947&IssueID=336 (also other links in OP)
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 04:22 PM
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31. Who the heck are you to say
Edited on Tue Feb-21-06 04:25 PM by higher class
Who the hell cares what YOU think? to MadMaddie?

Edite to change to MadMaddie.
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 07:03 PM
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37. That's the title of the thread
Go see for yourself.

Sigh.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:44 PM
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2. Same reason he wanted to go through with Harriet Meirs
Stubborness
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:50 PM
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17. His base forced him to backtrack on this one.
He caved in to the fundies on the Harriet Miers issue.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:45 PM
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3. Set up for the next terra atack?
No, not tinfoil thinking here, the first pearl harbor worked, a second should shup up all them damn liberals!
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:51 PM
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18. That would be their hope. I think however that would be the thing
that would get us to the streets. We are ready and watching this time ... and we know that it is coming.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:45 PM
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4. yah know--I think the WH thought this would just pass through and are
are doing damage control.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:45 PM
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Also ask yourself why they are allowing a space missile
business to UAE at the present time. Randi Rhodes just read an article about this. Something is really, really wrong, people.
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:50 PM
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15. the aliens can land in UAE and enter the US without going through customs
it also explains his alien guest worker program
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:45 PM
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5. The simplest explanation is usually the right one
Cui bono? Which is Latin for "who benefits?"
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:46 PM
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6. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
The Carlyle Group was involved in financing one of the recent sales.

I think we can confidently assert that they stand to gain large buckets of money from this going through.

The bin laden family is a large investor in Carlyle, so I'm sure they are putting the screws to their monkey in the WH too
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:48 PM
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12. I agree: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:46 PM
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7. self delete.
Edited on Tue Feb-21-06 03:49 PM by file83
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:49 PM
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13. Then it's time to beat Congress like a drum!
They need to override his veto!! People, we need to get on this, hard.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:46 PM
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8. Daddy spank?
there is deep deep blackmail going down here--

does Dubai know the truth about MIHOP???
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:47 PM
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9. It's tied to Iraq; access to that country
The port Dubai Ports World runs in Dubai is courting our companies like GE - giving them a base so they can spread their businesses into Iraq and other ME countries. That port expanded in 2003 just to handle traffic in and out of Iraq.

It has everything to do with global power and money.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:47 PM
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10. The Saudis get committee report redactions and high oil prices;
the UAE get our ports.

What's the big fuckin' deal?
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:47 PM
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11. when i see a ultra RW madwoman like Ros Lehtinin speaking against bushie
ive got to really think WTF....

She was on miami tv this morn talking negative about the port deal. :wow:
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:49 PM
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14. Quid Pro Quo
I figure the UAE knows what REALLY happened on 9/11. :tinfoilhat:
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 04:33 PM
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32. That would explain it.
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:50 PM
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16. Look over at the Huffington Post
There is an article up concerning ties between the WH and the corporations that own the UAE port operations. John Nichols also has something up at The Nation in which he writes that this is about corporatism. It is always the same thing from this gang.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:56 PM
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21. Read this:
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:53 PM
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20. This deal must be payoff for someone...
EVERYTHING is either payoff or payBACK with these people. *EVERYTHING*

What has the UAE done for us lately? Something, I bet.
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:56 PM
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22. Greed?
I mean, really. If the freepers would look between the lines for once, they'd realize how disasterous it would be to claim chimpy as our Great Protector. He claims some of our closest Middle East allies are Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. But I seem to remember a bulk of the 9/11 terrorists being Saudi's and Pakistan isn't short on terrorists themselves.

With friends like these...
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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:56 PM
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23. To the point he has threatened to VETO any bill that blocks the deal
Edited on Tue Feb-21-06 03:57 PM by JohnnyRingo
He's willing to go down in history as using his only veto in two terms to weaken American security.

This must be very profitable to someone.
(Maybe his Dad?)
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:59 PM
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24. Strategery?
Short answer: money.

Long answer: money, money, money.

The fact that Bush is making it easier for a terrorist attack to take place on US soil is not lost on me either.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 03:59 PM
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25. $$$$$
and ports will be involved in the next MIHOP
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 04:03 PM
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26. Yes it's not a trifecta but it's damn near close!
I swear it's becoming obvious to anyone with a intact brain stem that the home team is not batting for our side.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 04:07 PM
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27. The New World Order - Global Domination
It's key to getting Americans to accept a global economy, not an American one. Multi-national global domination by the BFEE and 700 billionaires.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 04:07 PM
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28. Are you all getting the same feeling that I am? Is Bush a traitor to this
country?
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BushOut06 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 04:10 PM
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29. Nope, not at all
I'm not getting that feeling at all. I've HAD that feeling for quite some time now. It's just that some of the neocons are starting to realize this as well.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 04:13 PM
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30. Carlyle Group and another nation
Namely one: http://www.worldstatesmen.org/United_Arab_Emirates.html

I wonder if this isn't a covert way of giving our ports over/back to the British. What was it Prince Charles said about "I'm glad to be back after being so long away"?

I mean, I'm English, Irish and Scots but yeesh, you'd think they'd ASK us first? Maybe even take it to a vote? I mean, didn't my ancestors fight a WAR or something?

Oh, wait, I forgot, this is the Bush Administration. Bush = Tories. Never mind.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 04:53 PM
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33. Does this boil down to a marriage between the Anglo Echelon
countries with Israel and certain Arabic sheiks and houses (a menage a trois marriage performed quite awhile ago) that is making hay while the barons and peenack are riding high in a Republican conrolled U.S.?

Is Iran (Persians) excluded or are they all together and just making war noise to keep this nation pumped?

And are they all in this to include Russia and China or to kkep them out and profit from them?
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 04:54 PM
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34. Bush's cronies get richer and
Republicans look tough on immigration issues during an election year.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 04:56 PM
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35. $$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 05:15 PM
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36. Do you remember who was
smoking cigars with Bush on the White House balcony while the 19 Bin Ladens were getting a private US escort plane taking them out of the U.S. two days after 9-11 ? The only plane in the entire sky ?

If you do, you have your answer.
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