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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:12 PM
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BUSH wants a foreign government to own our PORTS!
Impeachment should start immediately.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:13 PM
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1. They are currently owned by a British company
I wonder who negotiated that deal?
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:16 PM
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That is a publicly traded company.
Edited on Tue Feb-21-06 08:16 PM by iconoclastNYC
The UAE company is owned by thier government.

And the british are not trying to blow our shit up. The arabs are. The ties to 911 are compelling.

This issue could topple Bush, but he's probably thinking up way to back off and save face already.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:17 PM
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4. Good point
Thanks
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:20 PM
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6. Why should he should he back off?
Once he's cut the deal he can retire to a condo on one of the artificially created billionaire's islands in Dubai and fraternise with his real base - "the haves and have-mores".
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:22 PM
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7. Love the sentiment.
Because this is the noose that will strangle him and set his movement back years.

This is 100x bigger than the Downing Street Memo.
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:04 PM
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16. All Arabs want to blow our shit up? Whatever you say.
If port security is the responsiblity of any private firm, then we've got a problem regardless of whether it's an American company, a British company, or one owned by folks that make for good race-baiting.

My understanding is that security is in the hands of U.S. Customs and the Coast Guard, not the actual port operators. If in fact these security responsiblities have been privatized, then that's the real issue here, and it predates this deal. Why was there so much silence on it until this week?
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 09:03 AM
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21. You shouldn't have a foreign company in control of the ports
What if we were in a war situation and they decide to shut down the ports to hurt the war effort?

Ports are too important.

And I agree with you I don't think they should be turned over to for-profit corporations who's only focus is on the bottom line.

I say we nationalize the ports like we nationalized Airport Security which was previously privatized.
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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 11:43 PM
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19. Give me a break
While I agree with your point about the ports, I could do with a little less racism please.
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Greeby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:14 PM
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2. Could be worse
It could be run by Bushco :yoiks:
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:16 PM
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3. Really? I hadn't heard.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:17 PM
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5. I'm framing the debate here Mr. Sarcasm.
If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:22 PM
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8. How many Repugs are going to use Carter's agreement with Bush?
Jimmy Carter apparently wanted to throw Chimpy a fig leaf...


Carter backs Bush's stand on seaport-operations deal
Former President Jimmy Carter downplayed criticism of White House support of an Arab-owned company's purchase of a major seaport-operations firm.
BY LESLEY CLARK
lclark@MiamiHerald.com
WASHINGTON - President Bush is taking a battering from fellow Republicans, even the governors of New York and Maryland, over the administration's support for a decision that gives an Arab company control of some commercial operations at six major seaports -- including Miami-Dade's.

But he got a boost Monday from an unlikely source, frequent critic and former president Jimmy Carter, who downplayed fears that the deal poses a risk.

''The overall threat to the United States and security, I don't think it exists,'' Carter said on CNN's The Situation Room. ``I'm sure the president's done a good job with his subordinates to make sure this is not a threat.''


http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/nation/13921401.htm?source=rss&channel=miamiherald_nation
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:23 PM
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9. Jimmy Carter is wrong.
That's the reply.

And start talking again on why this is a raw deal for America.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:25 PM
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10. Correct me if I'm wrong but
they don't own the ports, they run the ops. Right?
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 08:59 PM
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11. Subtle distinction
But they would control them and our ports are too important to hand over control of them to an Arab government.

Let alone an Arab government that has connections to terrorist financing.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 09:03 PM
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12. Allow me to play devil's advocate
simply because I'm in that kind of a mood. What Islamic country doesn't fit that definition?:smoke:
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 09:38 PM
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13. USA should own USA ports. Plain and simple.
Edited on Tue Feb-21-06 09:38 PM by iconoclastNYC
If not on security grounds, then on economic grounds. It'S a bad idea. They shouldn't have been privatized in the first place.

CALL YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS: DEMAND NATIONALIZATION OF THE PORTS.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 09:53 PM
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14. I agree, however
why no big to do when the Brits had the contracts?
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:01 PM
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15. TWO glaring reasons.
Edited on Tue Feb-21-06 10:02 PM by iconoclastNYC
#1 Britan is an ally with no connection to the 9/11 attacks.

#2 The British firm is publicly traded. The UAE deal means that the government of an Arab country will control the security of our ports.

HUGE difference.

US Ports should be owned by the American people.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 10:16 PM
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17. First of all
the US ports are owned by the American people. The Brit co. ran the ops and got bought by DPW. We have not sold the ports to an arab. I think that DPW is publicly traded but, as I said on another post, I need to see who the shareholders are. They could be only UAE royalty.

That said, the US should run its own ports. The government will have to do it because I don't think there are any US cos. left to do it. I believe the last US co. was CSX and they were bought by DPW in early 2005. Guess we should have been complaining then, but alas.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-21-06 11:42 PM
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18. Who says it has to be a company?
The federal government has the resources to get those retired CSX executives out of retirement.

This is a National Security Priority.
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-22-06 08:46 AM
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20. Good point. n/t
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