Bush to Kerry "I'll NEVER Hand Over America's Security to Foreign Leaders"

[kpete]

But here's the thing. Bush has been playing politics with this complicated situation for years now, saying things like "you're either with us or you're with the terrorists." He spent the entire presidential campaign taunting John Kerry for allegedly requiring a "global test" and using his applause lines like a bludgeon:


I will never hand over America's security decisions to foreign leaders and international bodies that do not have America's interests at heart.

... the senator would have America bend over backwards to satisfy a handful of governments with agendas different from our own.

This is my opponent's alliance-building strategy: brush off your best friends, fawn over your critics. And that is no way to gain the respect of the world.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/06/se.01.html
via:http://www.digbysblog.blogspot.com/2006_02_19_digbysblog_archive.html#114062718127636312

[mattclearing]

1. Aaa hahahahaha...

Nice catch.

[converted_democrat]

2. What a dumbass....n/t

[blm]

3. At GOP convo Zell said Kerry would "outsource national security to France"

What a pack of asshats.

And media totally downplayed Kerry's 2yrs speaking against Bush's handling of port security. Media wouldn't discuss anything that made Bush look bad on terror.

[mattclearing]

22. If only Bush would outsource national security to France.

Seems it would be a vast improvement.

[SammyWinstonJack]

4. "Unless I make a boat load of cash that is" So he's a flip flopper and a.

LIAR! Who knew? :rofl:

[Warren DeMontague]

5. Yeah, we would have had to worry about that spooky "Global Test"

Now all we have to worry about is our own big ol' Global Testicle.

[derby378]

6. Gimme an L...gimme an I...gimme an A...gimme an R...

WHAT'S THAT FUCKIN' SPELL?!

[MadMaddie]

7. This is where the Democrat Party is failing...

They should take these clips form the debate and play it over and over....and end the commercial with * saying he supports the Port deal....

Why the hell can't they take advantage of these things?:spank:

The public is in the right frame of mind for these kind of adds....

[blm]

10. I agree - DNC should be all over this.

.

[Warren DeMontague]

14. Because that wouldn't be proper cricket, old chap.

I say! The public doesn't want "angry", they don't want "confrontational", they don't want an opposition party that has the nerve to clearly articulate potentially controversial stands and then -gasp- STAND BEHIND THEM WITHOUT APOLOGY...

Noooooo, see, what the public wants is a mealy-mouthed, wishy-washy echo of most of the GOP's agenda, along with thinly-veiled, cheap pandering to the 500 or so "Heartland Values Voters"(tm) who have apparently (not Deibold... NOT Deibold!) cost the Democrats the last few elections... mostly because once in a blue moon our people have been known to support the separation of church and state and gay and reproductive rights...


and, of course, we don't ladle enough gratuitous references to Jesus into our speeches.

Oh yeah-

:sarcasm:

[MadMaddie]

18. Bwahhhaw...haw...haw...

Spot on old fellow, Spot on!!!


I love that picture!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[eppur_se_muova]

49. Kennedy: "The last thing this country needs is two Republican Parties." nt

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

53. Cheerio!

The hole in the Democratic Party.

[wisteria]

25. They would have to give Kerry credit for his efforts and opinions and they

don't want to do that. Not now that the DLC has lined up their 2008 candidates and is out to discredit Kerry.

[SnowGoose]

26. We should have a little DU flash-making contest.

The way things fly around the interweb, who needs the DNC?

WE can make it and send out - the politicos will catch on eventually.

[MadMaddie]

28. I love that idea...

I think this is the only way that it's going to get out there!!

Great idea!!

:kick:

[FatDave]

44. Does anybody have the clips?

I've got the debates on VHS somewhere, but they'd be hard to find and hard to convert. Anybody have an .mpg or .avi or anything?

[SnowGoose]

68. That quote is not from a debate.

This quote is from October 6, 2004. The debates were on September 30, October 5, and October 13.

But I thought I remembered him saying something like that in one of the debates. I just checked the written transcripts of all three debates, and this is the closest match (from October 13):

From http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2004d.html


BUSH:
I'll work with allies. I'll work with friends. We'll continue to build strong coalitions. But I will never turn over our national- security decisions to leaders of other countries.

You can get streaming video here:
http://www.c-span.org/2004vote/debates.asp?Cat=Current_Event&Code=PresVP_04&Rot_Cat_CD=PresVP_04

But I don't know how to make flash animations - I hope this helps.

[SeveneightyWhoa]

33. Correction:

It's the DEMOCRATIC Party, buddy.

[MadMaddie]

35. A little bit snippy......aren't we....

I can't change it now....edit is locked!!

MadMaddie also eludes to the fact that I am of the female persuasion!!!

[sandnsea]

52. Because everybody hates Kerry

Silly goose. We couldn't possibly have his face as the face of the Democratic Party. And if people actually started realizing he was right all along, well then where would that leave Hillary!!

That's why.

[progressoid]

8. "READ MY LIPS..."

Like father, like son.

[NJmaverick]

67. EXACTLY!

We need to make this line as famous as daddy's!

[FormerDittoHead]

9. Flip, flop! Flip, flop! Flip, flop! Flip, flop! n/t

[_dynamicdems]

66. I couldn't agree more! BUSH FLIP FLOPS!

Here are a few more: www.dynamicdems.com/flipflophalloffame.htm

[fasttense]

11. The only thing this administration has done to keep another 9/11

from happening is talk. ObL is still out there. Our north and south borders have no controls on them. The No-Fly list is nothing but a record of peace activists. Our airports and seaports cargo security is haphazard at best. The only thing I can see that has been done is restricted flight paths and authorization to shoot down planes that look like they are going to crash into buildings.

To make matters worse we now have a totally incompetent bunch of buffoons running emergency plans. Bush has done nothing to protect us from terrorist except spy on American citizens.

[MadMaddie]

21. Can you believe that it has taken this long...

for any legislation to be proposed to make digging tunnels under the borders of Mexico and the US illegal.

The DHS is so on top of things that they are finding tunnels every other week. I am not even sure if it is the DHS that are finding the tunnels, I suspect it's the local police forces that are doing it. They have found 7 tunnels since the beginning of 2006.

Diane Feinstein is proposing legislation to make it a Federal Crime to dig these tunnels with up to 10 years in prison if caught...

Repugs are weak on National Security...Total Incompetenece.....
Dems are strong on National Security...

[CJCRANE]

12. I bet he knew he was lying

just like he knew he was lying when he said you can't do a wiretap without a court roder.

[emulatorloo]

17. Of course he did - they created a Strawman John Kerry

and projected all their worst traits on to it.

digby piece worth reading:

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2006_02_19_digbysblog_archive.html#114055971426709850

<snip>

Cutthroats

by digby


Both Kos and Atrios linked to this post about how Rove smeared John Kerry fior allegedly being in cahoots with Malaysian prime minister Mahathir Mohammed. It was bullshit, of course, and now we find out that Rove's buddy Abramoff was selling Bush face time and cut a deal for a meeting with Mahathir for 1.2 mil. (And to think the Republicans had coronaries about those silly "white house coffees.")

<snip>

Update: When I went to put up the links, I realized that Atrios had written "Always project. Always." it reminded me of a post I did before the election called "Projection Politics" in which I noted that Rove doesn't actually attack the strengths of his opponents, as he like to say he does:

Rove has developed a campaign of projection in which he tars his opponents with his own candidates' weaknesses and then attacks them.

He attacks Kerry for phony heroism thirty years ago when just last year his own candidate had himself filmed in a little costume prancing around on an aircraft carrier pretending he'd won a war that had only begun. But, by tarring Kerry with using war as a PR stunt for his own personal gain, people can process the uncomfortable feelings they are experiencing about Iraq as not really being caused by Junior, but by his rival who is the real shallow opportunist who only pretends to be a man of proven leadership and experience.

<snip>

[Binka]

61. Stoink! Exactly The BS About Karl Brave Sir Karl Attacking Foes Strengths

Is more faux bravado. Karl is a bully/coward and he understands weaknesses because he is riddled with them. He will not face them in himself of course because, well he is weak. But what he does with this little "gift" is ferret out to the nth degree weaknesses in others. He loves doing this because he sorta owns the person after that and he's conflated this into a political hammer to bludgeon his mans rivals. This is why Bush has a love/hate relationship with Karl. Karl knows every loathsome inch of Bushes character(or lack thereof) and that makes Bush hate him, but when Karl uses those gross idiosyncrasies to beat up W's opponents well Bush loves him.

It is devious, manipulative, and sneaky, but hey people fall for it, and these guys are criminals it is how ALL crooks operate.

Bush was bragging about what he was about to do because like a serial murderer he likes to brag. This deal has been in the works since Bush stole the WH.

[LynnTheDem]

13. Except to pay back foreign leaders for 911.

911; best thing that ever happened for the bush cabal. After all, it's what they "needed". And they said so themselves.

PNAC.

"We need another Pearl Harbor".

[emulatorloo]

15. And John Kerry **never** would have turned over our security to anybody

but Bushco will sell us out to the highest bidder.

[ginnyinWI]

30. * and family are capitalists, not patriots.

That's why the term "BushCo." fits so perfectly!

Kerry's message is always framed in terms of what is good for America within the context of what is also good for the world. He's first and always a patriot.

BushCo. talks in terms of what is good for the international business community!

[blm]

41. The Bushes are fascists - crony capitalism at its ultimate.

.

[emulatorloo]

45. check out this new 2/22 Lou Dobbs Clip "Bush Friends And Family Plan"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x494300

Bush and his UAE Ties -- Basically outlines all the connections in this deal, including Carlysle Group, Neil Bush, etc.

[IronLionZion]

47. Kerry and Gore would have made sure qualified Americans got it

because Dems care about American jobs AND national security.

America as a country just seems more intelligent when Dems are in the white house.

[Olney Blue]

51. "more intelligent"

so true.....

[oscarguy]

16. He never said he would not SELL it to them silly, he said he would`nt

hand it over to them. Sadly I think the reason BUSHCO is trying to do this deal is that he and his family and friends are going to make some big bucks if it is allowed to go through. ...Oscar

[wisteria]

19. The injustice of the 2004 election becomes clearer and clearer

every day. Rove should be tried for treason for his role in Bush's reelection. Who needs enemies when you have a President like Bush.

[wicket]

20. This needs to be turned into a campaign ad!

:kick:

[MadMaddie]

23. That's what I said...see post #7

Great minds think alike!!:applause:

[wicket]

34. WOO HOO!

:D

[wicket]

38. PS - I LOVE your Huey icon!

:thumbsup:

[Inuca]

36. Absolutely!

By Kerry!

[The Backlash Cometh]

24. Sounds like Nixon's, "I'm not a crook" moment.

[sakabatou]

27. BWAHAHAH!

Yeah fucking right! Hey Bush, who's yor REAL daddy?

[4 t 4]

29. That's right, I forgot

about that, good catch kpete. What a hypocritical fuck the shrub is!!

[ProSense]

31. Has Bush ever said anything that wasn't a lie? n/t

[FreedomAngel82]

32. And than when we call them on it

they accuse us of "playing politics." :eyes:

[Norquist Nemesis]

37. At least Bush is consistent!

He's holding hands and kissing with his best friends, the UAE.

[Roland99]

39. We'll be sure to see and hear this non-stop on the M$M this week, right?

:sarcasm:

[calimary]

40. Kickez-vous!

Valuable beyond valuable! I hope lots of people make a copy of this...

Crow, anyone?

[LSK]

42. K&R

Great catch!!!

[calimary]

43. Kicking again.

I like this one. A LOT.

Strategery.

[progressoid]

46. Damn, I just read this again and I wish I could rec'd it again.

[eppur_se_muova]

48. I kid! (doing best Krusty the Klown voice) nt

[AspenRose]

50. I was JUST THINKING about this today

Oh yes, all those idiots gushing about how John Kerry wouldn't keep us safe from terrorism.

Wonder what those same idiots are thinking about this ports deal NOW.

Wander down memory lane with a fellow liberal:

http://ejswanso.blogspot.com/2004/10/blogs-for-bush-sunday.html
October 10, 2004

[karynnj]

54. The link was so bitter sweet,

Kerry's comments just made so much sense. It's too bad that the writer felt the need for little snarky jabs (not in the exerpt) because the main thing shown by the quotes here was how mature, intteligent, rational and calm, Kerry really was. He would have been great taking us through all these crisises.

[electropop]

63. we wouldn't HAVE all these crises with a Dem president.

they are manufactured by Bush for his personal benefit.

[Harper_is_Bush]

55. Proof of the insanity gripping the USA. Bush is Gods man.....

To: iPod Shuffle

Much ado about nothing. But it is an election year and it is time to scare people into voting for them.

Psalm 127:1 Unless the LORD builds the house, They labor in vain who build it; Unless the LORD guards the city, The watchman stays awake in vain.

10 posted on 02/22/2006 6:24:52 PM PST by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (My Homeland Security: Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper)
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[kerrygoddess]

56. Flashback to the 2004 Election Cycle on Port Security: Kerry Was Right

Flashback to the 2004 Election Cycle on Port Security: Kerry Was Right
February 22nd, 2006 @ 2:20 pm

The DSCC released information about Republican Senators and port security earlier today, see my post here. There’s a lot of chatter in the blogosphere about this deal, on the left and the right. Ron pointed out in the comments below, that conservative blog was calling Democrats “newly security conscious.” However, that is certainly not the case…

On December 17, 2003 John Kerry unveiled a “Plan to Improve Port Security and Prevent Terrorists from Obtaining WMD’s.” In another “Kerry was right” moment, John Kerry said:

“In this dangerous world, we don’t know what that cargo really contains. And we can’t afford to continue being in the dark. We screen millions of shoes in airports everyday, but less than four percent of the 21,000 enormous shipping containers that arrive in America’s ports every day. Any one of them could have a biological, chemical, or nuclear weapon inside. We need to invest in and employ new technologies to screen the containers, ships, trains, and trucks that come into this country.”

How ironic, that Kerry saw the need to improve port security over two years ago, yet Bush has done nothing about it. Now in the wake of this UAE state-owned Dubai Port World deal to take over 6 major U.S. ports, it certainly seems as though port security is not really a concern of the Bush administration yet during the 2004 election cycle Bush consistently said it was. In October 2004, Bush was playing politics (as Digby pointed out) when he tried to paint Kerry as soft on National Security:

MORE & LINKS - http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=2028

[lindisfarne]

57. Semantic hair splitting: he's not handing security over to "foreign

leaders and international bodies" - just to a big foreign (UAE) corporation. See, he's not going back on his word (and definitely not flip-flopping).

[nonconformist]

58. Kick

:kick:

[Wilms]

59. K&R n/t

[Hubert Flottz]

60. Flip Flopper!

THe King Of The Flip Floppers!

[doni_georgia]

62. kicking it up

:kick:

[_dynamicdems]

64. Would this be another George Bush flip-flop?

Edited to change Bsh to Bush. Google this:

Bush Flip Flop
Bush Flip Flop
Bush Filp Flop

That that Freepers! Truth hurts!

[PATRICK]

65. Seeing through the lies

The difficult discussions we have had about 9/11, Bush's various nefarious plans, agendas or incredible hypocrisies and mysterious gaffes seem to me to point out something very consistent- besides the de rigeur lying of course.

There can be only one focus, one agenda, one master plan for the inner circle alone. Whether they themselves sit down at a security meeting or plan the future of social security, national security or a strict Christian tilt to various policies, nothing matters except the one inner group policy- business for them and their friends. Ideologies pale and look transparently thin and insane. Actions are ineffectual, inattentive, twisted, skewed, half-hearted, counter -productive and in complete denial of any importance or prior definition. Bush doesn't care or care to know because he is taking what he wants with any pretext available. he assumes he has it all and he is not wwrong because in actual action terms, no one has stopped him at all. In his pateient magnificance he sometimes delays parts of the agenda, but never gives an inch. Can't, or the whole ball of illusions would unravel.

Because there is a single top tier agenda to which the whole world must bow a priori. It seems to prove as a starting point at least, that LIHOP must be the direct result of such a dogged one track world vision where every pot on the fire goes unatteneded except one. Where everything that happens much be utilized to exploit opportunities for the single agenda. Then the corruption of power and every other ignored vice proceeds apace until we have Plame and the surrender of ports as a natural outflow. It would become quite possible for such minds, while they function in some degree of clever sanity, to do MIHOP without acknowledging it to themselves, where the self-rationalizations would be as weak as Bush's rhetorical skills because there is no room, no need(once power is achieved) to face a contrarian reality. Nor can any other resurgence of reality be allowed to debviate them from their agenda. A mute incohernece and blindenss to other realities quickly sets in. Their international court of fellow thieves is awash in power and money. They can't do wrong. It would be nearly impossible for them to admit it should they ever fall.

This is why, even with the admitted task of destroying civil government, they do things so badly, so indolently, so distractedly, because their real work is traveling down so peculiar a path that the apologist sycophants trying to translate the speaking of demonic tongues can't keep up, can't coordinate the transformative intent of pyramid cannibalism with any semblance of reality, even classic forms of ruthless capitalism.

This extreme is beyond RW ideological extremes, so far beyond PNAC militaristic idealism and paternalism as to leave these people behind as pathetic jokes. But crooks understand. Saints of vice and lucre understand. People of violence understand. Those who fear and hate rally behind the Mystery, the essence of the leadership persona. Because they gain some profit, some thrill of protection and superiority, some rush of the boldly evil. But theses types are rats in a rotten ship. No wonder the looting and things working even worse.

The panic of betrayal is inflicting upon the RW at a fundamental level a crisis of soul they are ill equipped to endure or profit from. the first fruits of the suffering of the damned is just beginning to outweigh their own triumph over reality.

All the busy work of the WH comes to nothing more than their total, exclusive focus on profiting financially, consolidating power, networking rogues. And power means the facade of anything other is thin or none existent. They truly become puzzled, as they once were when talking themselves into disbelieving global warming for financial benefit, over any outcry from the real world concerning their "duties" in office.

It is time the Democrats at least awoke from their cognitive dissonance thinking on the polar side of fantasy that there actually exists some work and belief in fundamental national duties and missions in this WH, but that Bush is just not doing it well and erring on occasion. That doesn't cut it. Astonishment is growing stale. The character of this WH has followed its unflagging pattern of behavior
and drawn its portrait in crude dark crayons so that even the blind could see.

Anything good they propose will not come to pass unless it means big bucks and conquest for them personally. Anything else will die on the vine, be reversed, or be actively destroyed. No person of other character will ever be appointed to do what the WH won't. Stooges of low intellect and lower character will always be preferred as even loyalty is not enough. There must be a corruption, special interest hook, a usefulness in some plot.

We had 9/11 because of this. We have no national security because of this. The Iraq and ME conquest was planned before they even set foot in DC because of this. The entire national agenda and soul was scuttled because of this. This is the state. Everything else is bells and whistles and the chance for monetary gain. The only security they believe in is secrecy, suppressing and redirecting an untrustworthy populace, kicking and whacking the loyal hounds of the media and their minions in Congress. The networking is quite logically for them closer to the base of financiers, repressive regimes and any other dark linkages that weave together such a twisted world view. The rest are camp followers and suckers. The totality is doomed unless reality asserts the raw power of truth.

But instead the spin between the regime and the rest of nation madly goes on. Even outrage is blind or misdirected or inadequate or much deceived. And the two ex-drunks in the WH see everything with absolute clarity. Do everything with absolute logic. And get very irritated at being questioned, though not at all willing to throw away the gift of legitimacy as public servants the opposition grants them every time. Public servants indeed. They rule. They take. They divide the spoils and if you know what's good for you you'll just shut up. There is no divine right, no supporting philosophy, no great destiny, just business- mob style.

[in_cog_ni_to]

69. EVERY DEM POLITICIAN NEEDS ONE TV AD ONLY! Bush saying THAT!

Play the ad over and over and over and over and over. Think of the money they will save!:hi:

[RaleighNCDUer]

70. Don't be disingenuous. You know full well that the president was talking

about the evil fascist/communist United Nations, not the well-meaning ever trustworthy international corporations that he would entrust our ports to.

[Dora]

71. kick

:kick:

[IronLionZion]

72. Bush would sell his own mother if the price was right.

He's a cheap whore. Anything for money.

[jackstraw45]

73. Will the Corporate Media play this OVER and OVER again?

Like they did when Clinton said "i did not have sexual relations..."


Didn't think so.

f'ing Corporate media.

[Tiggeroshii]

74. Self delete

wow.