Self Delete

[SPKrazy]

too much of an issue apparently

[BIG Sean]

1. repeat molesters?...Of course they should be put to death!

This is unreal.

[MrSlayer]

2. Why would I vote against?

I think pedos should be put to death on their first offense.

[SPKrazy]

3. ..

I oppose the fucking death penalty for anyone.

And repeat molesters, while we need a solution don't need to be put to death.

edited to, well, make the post sound nicer.

[MrSlayer]

6. I'm very liberal.

But I hate and despise pedophiles. They are the lowest form of scum on the Earth. I have no sympathy or mercy for them.

[SPKrazy]

10. As You Say, You are very liberal!

you got me convinced

[MrSlayer]

29. I don't care what you think nor do I have to convince you of anything.

I have no time for anyone who would sympathize with a fucking child molestor. They are scum and they deserve death. And that's it as far as I'm concerned. Ask me how I feel about gay marriage or labor unions or a woman's right to choose or any number of other issues, I'm sure I'm on the "right" side of those.

[SPKrazy]

31. Hey, I'm Sure You Must Be Right

You obviously equate opposing state sanctioned execution of child molesters with "sympathizing" with "a fucking child molestor"

Has anyone here actually "sympathized" with a child molestor?

So, take a deep breath, I'm sorry to have opened a sore spot for you.

[MrSlayer]

34. To me the only reasonable thing to do is kill them.

Showing them any mercy at all is sympathy to my mind. Personally, I would give them over to the families of the victims to do as they please. Send a hearse over to pick him up when they are done. But that will never happen so a lethal injection is fine. These fucks go to prison and get placed in protective custody so the justice they deserve is not handed out by the inmates. Three hots and a cot in relative safety until they can get out and do it again is not punishment. There is no cure and there is no rehabilitation for these guys, death is the only solution for a pedophile.

I'm sorry if you find this mentality disturbing but there are not words to convey just how abhorrent I find pedophiles. They are not human beings to me, they are diseased animals who need to be put down as soon as possible.

[SPKrazy]

36. I Do Find It Disturbing, And I'm Sorry For Whatever Pain Is In Your Heart

As a secondary victim of sexual abuse as a child (maybe even a semi-primary as I had a perverted scoutmaster) I still couldn't see him being put to death by the state. There are times I have fantasized about beating him senseless.

I read a meditation today about Ann Frank, and if she could forgive those who tried to exterminate her, then I can surely forgive those wrongs I have had in my life.

You feel very strongly, and I respect your right to feel the way you do. I also find it very disturbing. Sorry, but I do.

[progdonkey]

4. Only Freepers support the Death Penalty?

I'm against the death penalty, but there are plenty on our side of the aisle who are for it, especially when it's for repeat child molesters.

Now, if it were death penalty for mentally retarded inmates, that would be much more Freeperish, but death penalty alone doesn't a Fascist make.

Besides, the question is if it should be an option to juries, ie. not taken off the table entirely. I'm frankly not surprised that so many people would want to allow juries as much freedom in sentencing as possible.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

5. Freepers don't own this position.

I support the death penalty for repeat molesters. Sorry if it's not fashionable.

[SPKrazy]

7. "Freepers Don't Own This Position"

So I see......

[Catrina]

8. Yes =115 - 83% ~ No =24 - 17%

Votes Percentage of 139 Votes

Yes...115 - 83%

No.... 24 - 17%

I am against the death penalty ~ maybe if we let the pot smokers out of jail, it would be possible to keep real threats to society there.

[Ecumenist]

9. As a grown woman who is dealing with the legacy .....

of daily rape from age 5 to age 6, I have to admit that I believe that that should be the ultimate penalty for destroying lives, bodies and minds.:shrug:

[LincolnMcGrath]

11. Maybe we should ask the McMartin family?

:shrug:

[mikehiggins]

12. Thanks for pointing out this poll. I voted yes

I guess that wasn't what you had in mind but that's the way I feel about that issue. When you deal with individuals who commit such crimes I would be perfectly at home with a "three strikes and you're out--for good" policy.

Unless, of course, the pedophiles victims really don't matter all that much. The guy who killed a family, kidnapped a boy and girl, tortured and murdered the boy and most likely would have done the same to the girl falls totally under that "three strikes" concept. What possible reason could there be to allow that individual to live?

I may not be as pristine pure a liberal as you apparently feel yourself to be but if it were your child at stake, or if such a crime was perpetrated upon you as a child, the reasoning behind this would be much clearer.

[SPKrazy]

15. Whatever! n/t

[Beaverhausen]

13. Lock them up for life sure. Death-no.

I don't believe in the death penalty.

[LincolnMcGrath]

14. Put it back up!

[Crazy Guggenheim]

16. Put the poll back up please.

:popcorn:

[SPKrazy]

17. No Thanks n/t

[SmokingJacket]

18. I oppose the death penalty, period.

Now, if someone touched my kid, I'd go all vigilante ... but I don't believe in state-sanctioned murder. For many reasons, not the least of which is the fact that the criminal justice system is imperfect, and innocent people are often convicted of crimes.

But I also think killing people is just plain wrong.

[alcibiades_mystery]

19. I guess I'm in the 8%

That's alright. I've been there before (around, say, October 2001). I was right then and I'm right now. The State should not murder anyone, period.

Of course, the mob will bay for blood, bare its teeth, dance deliriously as the blade comes down, etc. But this is not the way we should organize ourselves. What's the most ironic is that the same force - the desire for power and control in an inherently unstable world - serves as a motor for both the child molester and the death penalty mob. Yes, yes, I know. Psycho-babble at its finest. yes yes, the child molester makes a conscious choice to molest, etc., and we need not investigate underlying factors. Yes, yes, I know, the world is mightily simple, and a hangman's noose and a sturdy tree will make it all better again, you promise. Yes, yes, I know...

[mikehiggins]

26. Apparently you know a great deal of things

Many of them, unfortunately, are wrong.

One thing you do have right is describing your theory about the "desire for power and control in an inherently unstable world" as psychbabble.

[alcibiades_mystery]

39. Yes, yes.

I know...

[SPKrazy]

40. Good One n/t

[LincolnMcGrath]

28. Excellent Post!

[catmother]

20. they are probably the lowest of the low, but i do not support the

death penalty for anyone. i might add though, if someone molested my child and i could get near him i would probably kill him myself. i know it's contradictory. i also might do serious injury to anyone that i saw abusing an animal.

[alcibiades_mystery]

24. It's not contradictory at all

A system of justice is designed precisely to ward off (or, less positively, install differently) the desire for revenge that wells up in the wronged. A system of justice contemplates as its basic condition the mother's desire to murder the one who molested her child, and it seeks to divert that desire into a socially conducive alternate practice. That is the point of instituting one in the first place. When the system of justice becomes merely another way of putting that same desire into practice, it is inherently perverted.

[RebelOne]

21. The death penalty would be too good for child molesters.

The best penalty would be for them to rot in prison, so that some Bubbas could make them their whores.

[alcibiades_mystery]

25. So you condone rape

That's nice.

[beam me up scottie]

33. Well see, there's rape and then there's GOOD rape.

If you know what I mean. :sarcasm:

[mikehiggins]

22. Naw, not too much of an issue at all. Just an issue that a lot of

people, especially abuse victims and the parents of potential victims, have thought through a lot further than any sort of kneejerk stereotype.

A lot of liberals can see the case to be made for war, also, even if something like this Iraq debacle is not acceptable. Fighting the Nazis, or the genocidal armies in Darfur, is not something to be shied away from.

[LincolnMcGrath]

27. parents of potential victims.....

Sort of like a preemptive lynching.

[iamthebandfanman]

23. nobody

should be put to death.
its not a punishment.
its an escape.

[Mizmoon]

30. Child molestation should be life w/no parole

I don't believe in the death penalty, and I'm not one of those people who thinks prison is fun n easy. It's a horrible place and they deserve the punishment, and it's right that that kind of person should be locked away to protect society.

[beam me up scottie]

32. Hey there!

I was here to support you but you took it down.

This happens every time people criticize the lynch mobs who would gladly rape, mutilate and murder a child molester while conveniently ignoring the fact that their would-be crimes are as depraved as the perps.

[SPKrazy]

35. Thanks, but the poll was already way biased and it seemed that responses

were hitting too many emotional buttons


I wasn't thinking that there would be support of the death penalty for child molesters.

But apparently I was wrong, there was.

So I took the poll down.

Maybe that was wrong.

As we discussed the other day, what do you do with child molesters.

I don't support killing them.

I'm not even sure locking them up does anything but prevent them from acting out. (which is good in a sense, but no solution to the problem)
And I don't support lynch mobs, or vigilante justice in these situations even though I would probably feel a sense of wanting to revenge if my child were harmed.

It's just such a complicated issue, I shouldn't have posted it.

I just found it on my local news web site and couldn't believe the responses.

apparently they aren't abnormal responses, or even "freep" responses as people here were saying they supported killing child molesters too.

I don't support state sanctioned killing, and I don't support killing period! (Unless someone is trying to kill me or my family, then self defense is another matter)

[beam me up scottie]

dupe

time for a new keyboard

[beam me up scottie]

37. Yep, they do it to anyone who doesn't advocate mob violence.

I saw it coming the other night and chose to speak up anyway.

Tonight, I would have walked away.

It's a losing battle, you cannot convince people that harbor that kind of hatred for anyone, whether they're on the right or the left.

[SPKrazy]

38. I Get That, But I Guess I Have A Short Memory

Because I was so shocked at the poll that I thought it would get some no vote support here at DU

[beam me up scottie]

41. Nobody wants to touch it here

because of the abuse they get in return.

One poster so viciously attacked another for supposedly supporting pedophilia, the media picked up the story.

[iamthebandfanman]

43. ...

just because it didnt seem to have backing of your position is no reason to take it down.
i think itd be an eye-opener to alot of people.
i know it would have been to me.
im strongly anti-death penalty.

[Catrina]

45. To me you sound like a very good person ~ I wish the world was

a better place. I am against the death penalty. Sometimes my convictions about it are tested severely, though and it's a struggle not to give in to the immediate reaction of wanting to remove certain individuals from the planet. But in the end, I am against killing, and would rather find other solutions to protect the public from such predators ~ I don't want them to make me into something I don't want to be.

Obviously there are differences of opinion on this ~ if killing solved anything at all, this surely would be a very beautiful and peaceful world ~ killing having been a favorite passtime of human beings for so long. Maybe it's time to try something else. I wonder how many people become criminals, rapists, child molesters etc because of the primitive and violent world we still live in? Eg, many child molesters were abused themselves. Violence apparently only breeds violence.

I wish we could have a period where we could try another way for a while, and see if it works. But that's never yet happened ~ so we'll never know. In the meantime, I really don't want to be a part of what I see as part of the problem ~ :cry:

[VOX]

42. Wow. The "culture of death" is out in force tonight...

A repeat offender is obviously very, very sick. The sickness is hideously ugly, which is probably why so many clamor for death. Guess it's easier that way -- you don't have to deal with the sickness itself, and its causes.

State-sanctioned killing of _______________(insert crime here) does not resurrect the victim(s), nor does it work as a deterrent, nor does it correct any root causes of crime, nor does it deal with any mental illness (an emblematic stance of the right wing since Reagan cut funding for psychiatric hospitals).

If it were my kid who was a victim, of course I'd want to kill the perp with my bare hands, to be sure. I'd have every emotional reason to kill him. And it would be a test of Herculean proportions. I hope that I would pause long enough to ask, Would it bring my kid back? And what about the next perp in some other city? And the next? Should I become a vigilante and take the law into my own hands?

It's time to attack this problem creatively and robustly, and cut it off at the cause. Dealing with it "symptomatically" (executing the occasional offender) has done no good. I'll wager that the small satisfaction of revenge that executions may bring has even been lost over time.


On edit: typos

[SPKrazy]

44. I Agree n/t