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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 02:32 AM
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Friggin' JOHN YOO on C-SPAN Now (EST)... n/t
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 03:06 AM
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1. Yoo the Torture Meister Outed -- big time
Edited on Thu Feb-23-06 03:07 AM by Senator
In the current New Yorker magazine

OUTSOURCING TORTURE
by JANE MAYER
The secret history of America’s “extraordinary rendition” program.
Posted 2005-02-07

Chief among the authors was John C. Yoo, the deputy assistant attorney general at the time. (A Yale Law School graduate and a former clerk to Justice Clarence Thomas, Yoo now teaches law at Berkeley.) Taken together, the memos advised the President that he had almost unfettered latitude in his prosecution of the war on terror. For many years, Yoo was a member of the Federalist Society, a fellowship of conservative intellectuals who view international law with skepticism, and September 11th offered an opportunity for him and others in the Administration to put their political ideas into practice. A former lawyer in the State Department recalled the mood of the Administration: “The Twin Towers were still smoldering. The atmosphere was intense. The tone at the top was aggressive—and understandably so. The Commander-in-Chief had used the words ‘dead or alive’ and vowed to bring the terrorists to justice or bring justice to them. There was a fury.”

Soon after September 11th, Yoo and other Administration lawyers began advising President Bush that he did not have to comply with the Geneva Conventions in handling detainees in the war on terror. The lawyers classified these detainees not as civilians or prisoners of war—two categories of individuals protected by the Conventions—but as “illegal enemy combatants.” The rubric included not only Al Qaeda members and supporters but the entire Taliban, because, Yoo and other lawyers argued, the country was a “failed state.” Eric Lewis, an expert in international law who represents several Guantánamo detainees, said, “The Administration’s lawyers created a third category and cast them outside the law.”

...

Yoo also argued that the Constitution granted the President plenary powers to override the U.N. Convention Against Torture when he is acting in the nation’s defense—a position that has drawn dissent from many scholars. As Yoo saw it, Congress doesn’t have the power to “tie the President’s hands in regard to torture as an interrogation technique.” He continued, “It’s the core of the Commander-in-Chief function. They can’t prevent the President from ordering torture.” If the President were to abuse his powers as Commander-in-Chief, Yoo said, the constitutional remedy was impeachment. He went on to suggest that President Bush’s victory in the 2004 election, along with the relatively mild challenge to Gonzales mounted by the Democrats in Congress, was “proof that the debate is over.” He said, “The issue is dying out. The public has had its referendum.”


We'll decide when it's over. Impeachment as a remedy sounds just fine, as a start.

I wonder what Mr. Yoo would say to handing the lot of them over to the The Hague for Int'l War Crimes trial and punishment?

It's his neofascism that's "dying out." And the public will have its referendum on that, sooner or later.

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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 04:21 AM
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2. Thank You! - Not only is Yoo a poster child for Bush's foreign law...
...he's also a co-author of the "Patriot Act!", kinda ironic since he's Korean.

Know John Yoo:



John Yoo
Born: 10-Jun-1967
Birthplace: Seoul, South Korea


Gender: Male
Ethnicity: Asian
Sexual orientation: Straight
Occupation: Government

Nationality: United States
Executive summary: Thinks Geneva Conventions are obsolete

Former clerk for Laurence H. Silberman at the Court of Appeals, and later for U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas 1994-5. Served as Deputy Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel at the DOJ 2001-3, where wrote substantial parts of the PATRIOT act with Viet Dinh, and he co-authored a report that basically trashed the Geneva Conventions. He is now a law professor at U.C. Berkeley's Boalt Hall Law School.

The forty-two page memo in question, which he authored in January 2002, stipulated that since Afghanistan has no formal government to speak of, neither the Geneva Convention nor any other laws of war apply. This breaks a fifty-year U.S. military tradition of upholding those rules, rules that we adopted because we expect them to be applied to us. When the U.S. state department read Yoo's memo, they were "horrified", their chief legal advisor calling it "seriously flawed." But George W. Bush approved the policies in the memo, ultimately resulting in the Abu Ghraib fiasco and similar atrocities being committed in other Iraqi prisons as well as those in Afghanistan.

Other related memos discuss how to avoid prosecution of War Crimes that are expected to be committed by Americans following these policies, though it is not clear whether Yoo had a hand in authoring those.

Among his other zingers are quotes like "There is no constitutional right to privacy of records not in your possession" (said at a University of Virginia conference) and another on the PATRIOT Act, "It seems to me a very modest bill. There is no revolutionary change."

Yoo occasionally appears on news programs such as Lehrer News Hour as a talking head (at least one time with Scott Horton as foil), largely defending Bush administration policies. With all these wonderful ideas coming out of his head Yoo still feels he has enough credibility to author a book on Constitutional law.

http://www.nndb.com/people/327/000049180


I've actually seen him as a freelance reporter on MSNBC.




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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 04:41 AM
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pat_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 01:55 PM
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12. Alberto Mora, general counsel of the Navy, tells us more about Yoo's ins
Edited on Thu Feb-23-06 01:58 PM by pat_k
. . .insanity.

Another Gem from Jane Mayer at the New Yorker

THE MEMO
by JANE MAYER
How an internal effort to ban the abuse and torture of detainees was thwarted.
Issue of 2006-02-27
Posted 2006-02-20
http://www.newyorker.com/printables/fact/060227fa_fact

...
In Yoo’s opinion, he wrote that at Guantánamo cruel, inhumane, and degrading treatment of detainees could be authorized, with few restrictions.
...
“The memo espoused an extreme and virtually unlimited theory of the extent of the President’s Commander-in-Chief authority,” Mora wrote in his account. . . .
...
Mora concluded that Yoo’s opinion was “profoundly in error.” He wrote that it “was clearly at variance with applicable law.” When we spoke, he added, “If everything is permissible, and almost nothing is prohibited, it makes a mockery of the law.” . . .

On February 6th, Mora invited Yoo to his office, in the Pentagon, to discuss the opinion. Mora asked him, “Are you saying the President has the authority to order torture?”

“Yes,” Yoo replied.

“I don’t think so,” Mora said.

“I’m not talking policy,” Yoo said. “I’m just talking about the law.”

. . . (Yoo said that he recalled discussing only how the policy issues should be debated, and where. Torture, he said, was not an option under consideration.)

. . . under the supervision of Mary Walker, a draft working-group report was being written to conform with Yoo’s arguments. Mora wrote in his memo that contributions from the working group “began to be rejected if they did not conform to the OLC”—Office of Legal Counsel—“guidance.”

The draft working-group report noted that the Uniform Code of Military Justice barred “maltreatment” but said, “Legal doctrine could render specific conduct, otherwise criminal, not unlawful.” . . .


So, Yoo, Addington, Haynes, and other promoters of the fascist fantasy of an American unitary authoritarian executive, have constructed a twisted interpretation of "legal doctrine" that makes crimes not crimes.

more from the article. . .

A few days after his meeting with Yoo, Mora confronted Haynes again. He told him that the draft working-group report was “deeply flawed.” It should be locked in a drawer, he said, and “never let out to see the light of day again.” He advised Haynes not to allow Rumsfeld to approve it.


And I would add that Yoo must be prosecuted and locked in a secure facility, and never let out to see the light of day again.

Mora’s warnings about the legal underpinnings of the working-group report proved prophetic. In December, 2003, in an extraordinary repudiation of the Administration’s own legal work, the Office of Legal Counsel quietly withdrew the Yoo opinion. The new head of the O.L.C., Jack Goldsmith, a conservative legal scholar who now teaches at Harvard Law School, told the Pentagon that it could no longer rely on the legal analysis. Among other problems, Goldsmith had found Yoo’s interpretation of the President’s powers overly broad. . . .


But the insanity continues

Just a few months ago, Mora attended a meeting in Rumsfeld’s private conference room at the Pentagon, called by Gordon England, the Deputy Defense Secretary, to discuss a proposed new directive defining the military’s detention policy. The civilian Secretaries of the Army, the Air Force, and the Navy were present, along with the highest-ranking officers of each service, and some half-dozen military lawyers. Matthew Waxman, the deputy assistant secretary of defense for detainee affairs, had proposed making it official Pentagon policy to treat detainees in accordance with Common Article Three of the Geneva conventions, which bars cruel, inhumane, and degrading treatment, as well as outrages against human dignity. . .

. . One by one, the military officers argued for returning the U.S. to what they called the high ground. But two people opposed it. One was Stephen Cambone, the under-secretary of defense for intelligence; the other was Haynes. They argued that the articulated standard would limit America’s “flexibility.” It also might expose Administration officials to charges of war crimes: if Common Article Three became the standard for treatment, then it might become a crime to violate it. Their opposition was enough to scuttle the proposal. . .


But, I thought that Yoo's fantastical interpretation made crimes not crimes?? Oh yeah, that insanity had already been rejected (only to be referenced and relied on in Alito's hearings. . . it goes on and on.)

In exasperation, according to another participant, Mora said that whether the Pentagon enshrined it as official policy or not, the Geneva conventions were already written into both U.S. and international law. Any grave breach of them, at home or abroad, was classified as a war crime. To emphasize his position, he took out a copy of the text of U.S. Code 18.2441, the War Crimes Act, which forbids the violation of Common Article Three, and read from it. The point, Mora told me, was that “it’s a statute. It exists—we’re not free to disregard it. We’re bound by it. It’s been adopted by the Congress. And we’re not the only interpreters of it. Other nations could have U.S. officials arrested.”. . .


We don't need to wait for other nations. The time is now. These people need to be locked up.

Not long afterward, Waxman was summoned to a meeting at the White House with David Addington. Waxman declined to comment on the exchange, but, according to the Times, Addington berated him for arguing that the Geneva conventions should set the standard for detainee treatment. The U.S. needed maximum flexibility, Addington said.
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 04:57 AM
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4. Know the specific enemies of American Freedom...
Look up "john yoo"
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 05:23 AM
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5. Yoo Back On... n/t
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 05:24 AM
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6. C-SPAN... n/t
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 05:35 AM
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7. IS ANYONE WATCHING!!!
Edited on Thu Feb-23-06 05:35 AM by Peter Frank
This guy helped write The Patriot Act!

He's not an American!

He's trying to unravel our Constitution!




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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 05:56 AM
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8. Sleep Well America
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 06:40 AM
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9. Saw this last night-that guy is a looney-tune
Jaw dropped when he talked about Congress as if they're a lesser branch than the executive. I also got a strong feeling watching that that HE was the one that came up with the NSA Spy rationale-all the Alberto G arguments rolled easily off his tongue and I don't think TorturePimp is smart enough to have done that himself.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 06:44 AM
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10. Yeah, I saw that dillweed on CSPAN
He and Alberto are two peas in an alien lizard pod.



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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 07:52 AM
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11. NPR had a lengthy interview with him this morning.
For me, it was one of the ever-more-frequent "NPR turn-off" moments.

(NPR likes to brag about "Driveway moments", where the story is so
compelling you pull into your driveway and then sit there with the
radio on just to hear the end of it. Well, I find, more and more,
I hear a story so disgusting, so pandering, so biased that I rush
to turn off NPR lest I puke on the steering wheel. I also find that
once I switched off NPR in such a moment, I never switch it back on
again for the rest of my car ride.)

Tesha
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centristo Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 03:25 PM
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13. i was listening this morning
and in my early morning haze, i could have sworn john yoo said he developed his theory on executive power by studying the acts of KINGS (?!) in wartime. Did anyone catch that?

What I don't understand is how one lawyer can unravel 256 years or democratic, checks and balancing precedent. Why does his interpretation of the Constitution carry so much more weight than, I don't know, Madison or Jefferson?


http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2005/10/23/war_counsel?mode=PF

http://www.forward.com/articles/7271

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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 03:59 PM
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14. I saw that this morning and you know what feature struck me?
Edited on Thu Feb-23-06 04:00 PM by never cry wolf
I noticed that he has tiny delicate hands.

I'm not sayin, I'm just saying...

:shrug:





Only pics I could find showing his hands. Does fit the profile though.

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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 07:40 PM
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15. K&R
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