thread # 2 on Senate Hearing of port issue

[rodeodance]

First thread here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=499563&mesg_id=500672

[JesterCS]

1. eating my popcorn

this is entertaining =D

[Viva_La_Revolution]

2. Thanks!

:hi:

:popcorn:

[TexasLady]

3. thank YEW for number two!

:hi:

[rodeodance]

4. well, i had lunch no popcorn drats.

[rodeodance]

8. Levin is trying to impress on the bums that they should have done a

longer better 45 day review.

[rodeodance]

11. ah ha-Levin--If you or Exc. branch does NOT like the law-come to us

and talk to Congress===please do NOT interpret the law for us.

[rodeodance]

13. Levin wants Sen. Legal consil to address the law also as he does not trust

Gonzalas! YEah

[Coexist]

5. Woo hoo! Thanks Rodeodance!

"the question is whether or not it was interpreted CORRECTLY"

"an ambiguity has been found in a statue that is UNAMBIGUOUS".

Levin.

[Coexist]

6. "if you want the law changed, come to Congress to CHANGE it"

"don't IGNORE it" Levin zinger (again)

Kimmet is stuttering and sputtering!!!

[JesterCS]

9. WOW

"If you dont like it, come to congress and change it. dont interpret it away."

[Norquist Nemesis]

7. Kimmett: We didn't ignore the law; we might interpret it differently

Orwell

[ChiciB1]

20. I Was Just Going To Post The Same Thing!

Now, how many times have we HEARD THIS????

Folks, it's OUR DUTY to do something to stop this INSANITY!!

How do we get some sort of PEACEFUL REVOLT started??? I don't know how to go about it.

King George sits on his throne and laughs out loud!

[rodeodance]

22. surreal

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. Isn't it ODD how no laws are ever ignored, they're just "interpreted

differently?" What is it with these people?:eyes:

[rman]

76. "might" interpret it differently

so, no reason to worry really...

:think:

[cal04]

10. it is SO obvious this could affect national security

what the hell are these guys getting paid
Go Levin

[Coexist]

15. "that has been one of the tough questions"

gee -maybe because you ignored a law meant to protect our national security interests.

[rodeodance]

77. but but...Haven't you been listening to Bush?

te he.

[liveoaktx]

12. Unreal- Warner- let's get you to write down your INTERPRETATION of the law

Sheesh

[rodeodance]

17. gawd-this has a de ju vu of the WH and NSA--make up laws as you go.

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. OK. I was on the phone and missed whether anyone was sworn in.

Were they?

[JesterCS]

18. No

no swearing in's or anything. Its a show. But its public. and people are watching. thats what matters

[Norquist Nemesis]

19. NOPE!!!!!!! Apparently, this is a "briefing" rather than a "hearing"

although Warner has referred to it as a "hearing" a couple of times. *sigh* Who know which it is, but the answer to your questions is "NO!" :grr:

[in_cog_ni_to]

27. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! Those assholes!

I hope their constituents are watching this!

[Norquist Nemesis]

59. Ha! They're probably watching Rove stroking Hannity

or Hannity stroking Rove depending on which way you look at it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x500543

[rodeodance]

90. yes. it seems the WH sent down their Secretaries to get the 'facts" to all

[Sydnie]

16. gonzales is going to save the day again with his "interpretation"

of the law. :puke:

[rodeodance]

21. te he but Levin asked to have Senate lawyers also look at the law!!

[Norquist Nemesis]

War is Peace n/t

[rodeodance]

24. Levin keeps throwing in pat UAE -1/3 countries that recognized Taliban.

[rodeodance]

28. Lawery--there was only one official meeting then they looks at documents.

[rodeodance]

31. whow--they do not minutes or any documenations of these meetings yet

[pdxmom]

25. Someone needs to make the executive branch take a basic course

in government. Their job isn't to "interpret" the laws. I'm totally amazed at how laws are constantly reinterpreted by this president and company to mean whatever the hell they want. I'm sure they see laws as "guidelines".

[Norquist Nemesis]

32. When law are "interpreted" by judges, they're called 'activist' n/t

[JesterCS]

26. Clinton Up Again

[Norquist Nemesis]

33. Q: How many times did CFIUS meet? A: Once

:wow:

[Coexist]

29. Clinton: "are there proxy rules for CFIUS?"

what is she getting at? Sounds like a set-up.

[liveoaktx]

30. How Casually our National Security is taken-ONE OFFICIAL MEETING of CFIUS

pffttttt

[rodeodance]

34. the Secretaries are getting a little tense.

[JesterCS]

35. Clay was looking

like he was gonna piss himself right there hehe

[rodeodance]

38. did you hear that. A secretary said he thought the company would keep

in touch with the local folks (not them).

[rodeodance]

39. whow. questions from the press.

[rodeodance]

42. Warner says it is unwise to say what Congress/WH will do in the future

about this issue.

[rodeodance]

47. Hillary telling the press there WILL be legislation introduced.

[Norquist Nemesis]

46. Amazing doesn't describe that statement!

The company? The "company" that is state-run????

God, help us.

[rodeodance]

53. yes, and Clinton keeps reminding them--but......(they are a bit slow)

[Coexist]

37. "I guess I would have thought they would have contacted the states"

but I didn't think to ask??? This guy is looking as bad as heckuva job.

[Jeanette in FL]

36. I have a question?

I just got in and I have been trying to read up on the previous thread, but where are the Republicans. I have already heard Levin and Clinton twice. Where are they and why are they not participating in the questioning other than Warner?

[in_cog_ni_to]

43. They've probably been threatened by the WH.

Just a guess though.

[liveoaktx]

45. Don't know why they aren't there-but they aren't-ONLY Dems

It's a sham

[rodeodance]

89. It IS odd--maybe they are out fund raising?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

they all had "previous commitments"

[Norquist Nemesis]

40. "I would have thought that the companies would have consulted

the of the" ports involved. WTF??? The UAE would go and talk with these officials?

That is the the most ABSURD statement of this whole proceeding!

[Coexist]

41. Clinton's point about having to include the states in what happens

and who controls their ports was a good one.

[Norquist Nemesis]

51. And the Secretary says, "Oh good one! I though it was 'the company's

responsibility'"

[The Witch]

44. Oh, I am so sick of the Long War.

I've heard that phrase so much recently. No Long War! You MORONS! They're trying to turn it into an INFINITE War... aaaghh :mad: :argh:

[liveoaktx]

48. I heard Kimmitt (the other one) last night say that people who think

that once we bring the troops home from Afgh and Iraq it'll be over are fooling themselves.

[rodeodance]

91. He is right. This WH wants to spread democracy--troops are just one

mode to do that.

[rodeodance]

50. yes, rather sick that the reporter would assume a "long war"!!

[Norquist Nemesis]

57. Well, it's time for us to start calling it the "endless war" n/t

[Coexist]

49. Clinton "there WILL be legislation introduced"

to require the investigation.

[cal04]

52. Is this the Joseph that got us into Iraq

war

[Coexist]

54. CBS question - "only one port in question is equipped with a working

radiation system"

[Sydnie]

55. Are these reporters being allowed to ask questions

ON THE RECORD? I have never seen this happen before.

[Coexist]

60. Reuters: After this today, do any of you now believe that there should

have been a 45-day follow-up?

Kimmet: because it involves pending legislation, I am not been in a position to comment

Reuters: But the legislation hasn't been introduced yet.

Hee hee.

[Coexist]

64. that was funny. eom.

[JesterCS]

56. only 1 of the 6 ports has radiation scanner n/t

[rodeodance]

58. Reuters--asking if 45 day invest. will be a good idea.

[rodeodance]

61. te he--one Sec is saying it would be up to Adm. to determine if 45 day

investigation is nec. oh oh. what will Jr. do now?

[rodeodance]

65. boy--look at all the press in the room.

[liveoaktx]

62. Good question-how many 45 day investigations have there been?

25 cases since 1988-2005

[Norquist Nemesis]

69. Interesting he doesn't have the details under this administration

I'm guessing you could count the number under Bush on one hand or they'ld be touting that number to boost the "we're protecting 'Mrka" banner.

[FormerRepublican]

63. Non answer. I can't do anything without Bush holding my hand.

[rodeodance]

66. oh OH--Warner said as of now he has not found a breach in procedures

or in security--

[cal04]

67. wonder if he got any phone calls

from his people at home

[rodeodance]

70. my wonder is---Did he have coffee with Bush last night?

[rodeodance]

68. DAM--Imo--this means he will not rec. the 45 day to Bush !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Skidmore]

80. It will then get kicked to the states and the courts where the

decision will be made, right? Then neither the administration or the Congress will be seen as being directly responsible. It will just be something about interpretation of law.

[Norquist Nemesis]

72. Well, Hell! Let's just open it all up!!!

Then Condi can trot out before the microphone and say, "Who would have thought..." and "Nobody knew"

[rodeodance]

83. "I just can't imagine"

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

74. One must remember that Warner is a Moonie. He is the one who set up

Rev. Moon's coronation as the messiah in the Dirksen bldg. This man is not to be trusted on any level.

[mainah]

93. stats on investigations from 2005

To date, more than 1500 notices have been filed with CFIUS;
Twenty-five transactions required an investigation; importantly, four transactions have required investigations since September 11, 2001, more than the previous 10 years combined;
Of the 25 investigations, 12 were sent to the President requiring a decision as to whether to block the transaction; and
Of the 12 deals that were sent to the President, one was prohibited (In 1990, China National Aero Technology Import & Export Corp. was required to sell its interest in a Seattle-based aircraft component company called Mamco Manufacturing Inc.).
Thirteen transactions have been withdrawn without a decision.


http://www.ofii.org/factsheet.htm

[Rose Siding]

98. Thanks, mainah. Welcome to DU

:hi:

[mainah]

101. Thanks!

I've actually been here for well over a year but am always too timid to post. Thanks for the welcome!

[rodeodance]

71. UAE company are here now--saying at the embassy in DC--cnn was

upset that they would not be interviewed..

[rodeodance]

73. is there any doubt when they stay at the embassy that it is state-owned

lot stock and barrel?

[Norquist Nemesis]

75. They won't interview with them because "Lou Dobbs won't shut up"

Honest!

[rodeodance]

81. yes, i recall that statement now. te he.

[Coexist]

84. I saw that - it was great - he was pissed.

[cal04]

78. yuk fox

one case sent to this review
get those examples: Clinton

[Norquist Nemesis]

79. Clinton: "Definition of National Security is a moving target"

PERFECT!

[Coexist]

82. I snorted when I heard that!

Hee hee hee - I hope the media caught that snip.

[rodeodance]

99. yes. good one.

[Norquist Nemesis]

85. There you have it! Warner just said no problem

(or words to that effect)

[Skidmore]

86. He calls that a "full disclosure"?

[rodeodance]

87. lets have few nominations for the last afternoon people. I have to leave

soon. Thanks for the conversation all.

[cal04]

88. GOOD finally someone asks about the public

on this
do you understand the public's sensitivity
they are certainly legitiment
blaming the papers I think that's what he was trying to do

[cal04]

95. Pacifica radio:Hillary answered great

Hillary answers post 911 world. sometimes used as a political attack
We do live in a post 911 world there is now a reason for scrutiny
the track record not the nationality, of gov owned entities
we don't let them do it for our airports
this is NOT directed at any country

[rodeodance]

92. a press person is asking for documents and Warner seems to say yes.

[rodeodance]

94. Whow==Hil--this in not about race--but the track record of UAE/company

[suffragette]

97. And she completely confronted and turned the whole

post-911 meme back on them.
Good job, Senator Clinton.

[rodeodance]

100. I raise a glass to HIL. She done good today.

[suffragette]

103. And a glass to you, too, for this thread

I just came in on the end of it and appreciate that it is here so I can catch up on the whole thing.
:toast: to you and Senator Clinton

[rodeodance]

96. Warner--we need to look at the 'ambuity of the law"---GEECH--so now

it is law problem.

NSA all over again.

[rodeodance]

102. a Dem is first caller to cspan Call in now.

[fooj]

106. Screw Warner. Time to pack your bags, you rat bastard.

Peace.

[rodeodance]

104. hey was that a Repug saying that America needs a fresh breath of air after

listening to his hearing?

[JesterCS]

105. Independant

[Coexist]

107. I missed it - what was the context?

[JesterCS]

109. Basically

Independant caller said we need to impeach bush and start fresh

[rodeodance]

108. Clinton talking to press so csapn is letting us listen.

[rodeodance]

110. she is explaining the 45 day bill that is being proposed says it has

support unless there is 'some move by the administration"

[rodeodance]

112. Hil:--she is amazed that no one in Adm. thinks this could affect nat. se

curity.

[rodeodance]

113. says, not one person raised one red flag!!!!!!!

[cal04]

111. bill should be out by next week

Hillary just said
Byrd amendment this COULD affect national security which NO one thought
I find that hard to believe
so do We Hillary

[suffragette]

114. "on the face of it, it could affect national security"

well-said, Hillary

[rodeodance]

116. but she also said 'unless the WH makes a move"

[rodeodance]

117. meaning the WH could (if use brains)-call for the 45 day review.

[cal04]

115. I'll be surprised if they get more than one call

in favor of this

[JesterCS]

118. Current caller

says port deal is prepositioning for Iran war

[cal04]

119. republican appalled and about to change parties

whoa

[JesterCS]

120. lol repub is about to swith to dem

said so on fone. =D Ex-port worker from San Diego

[cal04]

124. Independent from FLa

the elephant in the room
why is it the USA can not have anAmerican company

[gkhouston]

128. excellent question

and a good one to come up at a time when more and more Americans are feeling threatened by outsourcing.

[rodeodance]

121. two callers saying they are scared by what they heard (not heard) today.

[rodeodance]

122. and one was a Repug saying he was ready to switch to Dem.

[rodeodance]

123. he basically said that the Adm panal was incompetant!!!! whow.

[JesterCS]

126. the one Indenpendant

caller got pretty belligerant lol. Saying how dare we hand our ports to a foreign country

[rodeodance]

125. Indep. caller asking why we have to outsource everything.

[rodeodance]

127. caller--appalled that people on panal think nat. secur. NOT affected.

[rodeodance]

129. gee, i do not think the Repug callers are agreeing with the Dems.

[rodeodance]

132. Indep caller wants American conpanies to bid on these sales.

[rodeodance]

135. he also said that we need to consider if these are kickbacks to Bush

family (Saudi connections)

[gkhouston]

137. Okay, which one of you is calling the Independent line?

;-)

[cal04]

130. Bingo All about money

democrat
these people we can't trust them

[Skidmore]

131. Folks, I don't think this little charade Warner put on helped one

bit. People are pissed!

[gkhouston]

133. expect WH backpedaling to begin shortly.

btw, exactly who DID approve this deal?

[Skidmore]

136. Cheney? during a bout of PTSD resulting from the trauma he

experienced after shooting Whittington?

[JesterCS]

134. Independant

says Its more like Bush/Royal Family than capability of a company to take care of ports

[rodeodance]

138. well, Warner just lost! (he and the WH panal)

[rodeodance]

139. Dems one; WH/Warner ZIPPO

[cal04]

140. I think you're right, even the repubs don't want

a foreign country at our ports
I just can't understand how they can talk about 911 and war on terror
for five years and expect people to accept this

[rodeodance]

141. i am hoping this is the straw that breaks the camels back!

[cal04]

142. we still have work to do on those

sheep who still don't want to open their eyes