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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 01:52 PM
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SCOTLAND'S 6000 SEX SLAVES

"SIX THOUSAND women are being used as sex slaves in Scotland, police said yesterday.

Brutal gangsters imprison the terrified girls in brothels, rape them repeatedly to break their spirits, and force them to have sex with up to 60 men each per day.

Around 7000 women in Scotland work as escorts, or sell their bodies in massage parlours or saunas. And senior cops believe that 85 per cent of them - approximately 6000 - are sex slaves trafficked into Britain from eastern Europe and elsewhere."




http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=16731536%26method=full%26siteid=66633%26headline=scotland-s-6000-sex-slaves-name_page.html
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 01:55 PM
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1. That Is Just Sick
I feel ill, now.
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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 02:32 PM
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13. This is the first I have heard of this
It shocks me
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 06:58 PM
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26. and also bull. nt
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 09:33 PM
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32. how do you know???
in 90 and 91 there were many articles in German magazines and newspapers about how women from eastern Europe were coming or brought into Germany, forced into prostitution, and unable to escape b/c they were there illegally
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 10:13 AM
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33. um, you might want to consider a math class
and read the rest of this thread. honestly, look at where these things come from before you swallow them whole.

people need to find something real to hyperventilate about.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 11:04 AM
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37. And did you read post #27?
There's no use taking "up to 60" to mean "an average of 60" and then multiplying some numbers. If you get a problem in maths, you have to read the question properly.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 11:52 AM
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38. oh this is just sad.
If that is your best argument, you are really lost here. The numbers are ridiculous EVEN if you cut them back a bit. You are actually serious, aren't you????? I weep for the state of education today. If you can't see through even this tabloid garbage and patently ridiculous statistic, there is no way I can help you. Good luck, because it is obvious you are going to drink a lot of kool-aid in your life.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 11:56 AM
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40. OK, which statistic are you saying is ridiculous?
My maths qualifications are perfectly good, thanks. I'm not one of the people that are misusing multiplication because they don't understand what "up to" means.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:32 PM
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42. "up to"
are words used by people who want to alarm, and who have no care for facts. That it is NOT a statistic is exactly my point. This article gives no facts, yet you in your wide-eyed vigilance for abuse are ready to take it as evidence of vast horror requiring our outrage.

I have a problem with a statistic that ISN'T a STATISTIC, but is presented as one. You virtually acknowledge that the number given is ludicrous, but you rely on the words, "UP TO," to maintain your hyperventilating outrage. I could ask you what YOU think "up to" refers to, since you take it so seriously. Of course, you would be pulling a number out of your butt at this point. But you don't seem to care about that. That is the defining characteristic of "sheeple."
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 02:25 PM
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44. Show me where I'm "hyperventilating"
or where I say I'm outraged. Try looking at post #27 again - I said "up to" was used for sensational effect. I'm just telling people here that "do the math" is a useless suggestion, because you can't when the number just says "up to". If it's not a statistic, then don't tell people "do the math".

Your defining characteristics? Laziness about reading what other people write, leaping to conclusions, and name calling, it seems to me. Not "critical thinking", that's for sure.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 02:58 PM
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45. spare me.
you are the one defending garbage from a tabloid. nuff said.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 03:09 PM
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46. Thank you - next time, turn up with an argument (n/t)
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BurgherHoldtheLies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 01:57 PM
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2. "Where the sheep run scared" in previous times is now
a real life of terror for these girls. So sad.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 01:57 PM
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3. 6000 women seeing about 40-60 men per day = 24,000 - 36,000
Edited on Thu Feb-23-06 01:58 PM by stop the bleeding
daily dealings - a lot of someone's has got to know a lot about this - this is just way too big for even public officials not to be aware.

on edit: nominated page to create awareness
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 02:24 PM
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9. No, actually that's 240,000 to 360,000 per day.
Edited on Thu Feb-23-06 02:28 PM by NCevilDUer
Not a believable number, considering the total population of Scotland.

I suspect that 20/day would be about the maximum physically possible, about one every half-haour for a ten hour day.

As bad as the problem may be, this is sensationalistic nonsense.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 02:29 PM
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11. simple addition was never a strong point of mine
:blush:
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 02:33 PM
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14. That's ok. I checked it, twice, on the calculator to be sure myself.
:hi:
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:10 PM
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28. Yes, you're right - it's the DAILY RECORD! (akin to National Inquirer)
Edited on Thu Feb-23-06 08:12 PM by Cronus Protagonist
...complete with tits on page three. I'm Scottish, and I can assure you that there are only about 400,000 people in Glasgow, counting all women and children (maybe 50,000 adult men). Edinburgh, the capital city, has much less and there's only 5 million people (men women and children) scattered all over the country in total.

The numbers are impossible to believe, and hey, it's the Daily Record, fer x's sake!

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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 09:17 PM
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31. Thats a lot of rubbers
I wonder were the rubbers are made.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:40 PM
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43. Thank you! It is nice to know someone has some
critical thinking skills. Sometimes it gets really scary out here in sheeple-land.
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dmkinsey Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 02:03 PM
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4. I've been thinking that the whole world is becoming
less civilized every day. This is another heartbreaking example.
I blame corporatism. Business demands freedom from regulation and so all sorts of sordid enterprise spring up in the unregulated new world.

We used to have regulations. There was a good reason.
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 02:09 PM
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5. Why don't they raid the brothels and saunas then?
Handing out cards at the airport is great -- but it sure sounds like they know where these girls are being kept, so why not go after the gangs there?

Poorly written article -- lots of titillation, not a lot of information.
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Katherine Brengle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 02:19 PM
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6. I agree that the article was poorly written--it still seems like an
important story though. This kind of thing is going on all over the world, not just in Scotland and Bangkok and Dubai--predatory trafficking happens in every country. Nothing effective can be done unless we make an effort to stop it worlwide.
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 02:44 PM
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18. True.
Not sure how to go about it. I suppose the article annoyed me a bit because it seems like the police are focusing their "prevention" efforts at the prey and not the predators.
It's the same as arresting the prostitutes but not the pimps and the johns.

Personally, I think prostitution should be legal (I know, I am a woman and I'm not supposed to feel that way), regulated, and safe.
It might, MIGHT, cut down on some of this crap.

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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 02:20 PM
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7. How many does the US have?
Just wondering....
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 02:22 PM
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8. The "free market" in action.
Gotta love those "entrepeneurs" who are expanding the wealth of the nation. Eastern Europe is sooo much better off under capitalism - unless you happen to be one of it's mulititude of victims.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 02:26 PM
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10. BS Alert Do the math
Per the Scotland Vital Stat there are only 1,700,000 males between 18-65 in Scotland.

Lets see 6000 "slaves" * 60 sexual contacts a day = 360,000 men serviced a day or 21% of the males have sex with a "slave" PER DAY === BS
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 02:31 PM
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12. shhhh.....
Can't subvert the dominant paraidigm with things like facts and logic now, can we...

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AmyStrange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 02:37 PM
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15. How many tourist visit Scotland a year?

If Scotland were a closed country you may have something, but since it is not...

d

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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 02:43 PM
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17. Very few males only
and Tom Delay would not make a dent in the final stats :evilgrin:
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 06:44 PM
Response to Reply #10
24. LOL party pooper.
I was just thinking yesterday it was about time for a sex slave conspiracy to be posted at DU. it's been, what? about 2 weeks?

you spoil all the outrage with your pesky math skills.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 07:50 PM
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27. You need to pay attention to the words "up to"
which are used here for sensational effect, while not actually telling a lie. 60 per day is a huge amount, but it's possible that someone was forced to do it. That would make it 'up to' 60 a day for all prostitutes. Sometimes the math is irrelevant.
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #10
30. Perhaps you forgot a special someone
named Wilt Chamberlain? Maybe Beckham is up there? He's the UK version of Wilt right?
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 02:38 PM
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16. I can't believe some of the crap that winds up on DU
:eyes:

And not only that, actually gets "voted" to the greatest page.
pffft.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 04:31 PM
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22. Maybe it was to compare and contrast to UAE :) (nt)
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 11:54 AM
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39. jaw dropped here, too. it is scary to say the least. nt
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phusion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 02:45 PM
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19. BREAKING: America is a nation full of sheep
Scotland has expressed much interest in light of this fact.

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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 04:26 PM
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20. this sucks. and it deserves to be elevated if people feel strongly
that it should be. slavery is alive and well EVERYWHERE.
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phusion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 04:29 PM
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21. agreed! n/t
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 04:32 PM
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23. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
We have to hate the UAE because it is nothing but a nation of sex slaves! Scotland, Aye, Brave, this CAN'T BE!!!!

:sarcasm:
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Dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 12:04 PM
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41. Wow
You're so glad for the chance to push your agenda of support for the UAE and its reactionary, undemocratic regime, that you actually express glee at a report of large scale sex slavery.

Sorry to disappoint you, but a mere modicum of common sense and basic arithmetic exposes this story as a ludicrous exaggeration (of what is a very real and tragic problem throughout western Europe).

Unfortunately for makers and enforcers of law who actually give a crap about vulnerable people, however, it's a lot easier to keep brothels under wraps than it is race tracks
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 06:50 PM
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25. Looks like tabloid BS
check out the front page pics at the far right of the article page. Also, the article ends with more links to similar stories (with hyped up "Star" style headlines):

VICE GIRL VICTIMS REVEAL THEIR STORIES: Click on the links below...

I WAS DUMPED AFTER HELL IN SAUNA

SEX PUNTERS ARE ASKED FOR THEIR HELP

SCOTS GIRL'S LIFE 'STOLEN' ON COSTAS

SEX SLAVE: I LOST YEARS OF MY LIFE TO VICE TRADE

GIRLS WHIPPED AND CHOKED BY VICE BOSS
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-23-06 08:56 PM
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29. they aren't only in Scotland. They are even in Jerusalem. And hot spots
like the island hangouts.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 10:18 AM
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34. Slavery is back... and its ugly
Very sad!!!
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 10:22 AM
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35. I won;t vouch for that specific article -- BUT IT IS A MAJOR PROBLEM
It should not be trivialized.

We must attention to the tragedy of sex slavery and the larger horror of human traffiking. The fact that this is not at the top of our national and global priority list is disgusting.

It's not a laughing matter, and is an issue that shouold transcend politics.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-24-06 10:49 AM
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36. who would disagree that
Edited on Fri Feb-24-06 10:54 AM by antfarm
actual human trafficking, where it actually occurs, needs to be addressed? however, hysteria, sensationalism, misinformation, and the disappearance of critical thinking in news and on the part of news consumers is ALSO a problem. you see this kind of garbage and misinformation every couple of weeks here at DU, often posted by the same people who deal in repressed memories and satanic cult conspiracies. there are groups that are obsessed with these sorts of stories and conspiracies, and it does not matter to them if the facts don't fit. this kind of misinformation and hyperbole should not be on the news board--it deserves to be pointed out as the nonsense it is. yes, real human trafficking, where it occurs, matters. the TRUTH also matters, and this particular example is garbage.
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