Wouldn't bombing any mosque be considered sacreligious no matter what sect

[kitkat65]

you belonged to? To make a bad analogy, a Methodist most likely wouldn't burn down a Baptist church even though they're different about how they worship. They both still worship the same god and have basically the same rituals, etc.

Yes, I know the Sunni and Shiite thing has been way more violent but is there anything in the Koran that says desecration of a mosque is a big no-no?

[stepnw1f]

1. I Wonder WHo Burned Down All Those Babtist Churches?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. Oh yes.

Don't have my copy of the Qur'an here at work, but I just re-read the passages on fighting the other day, in response to another post asking about jihad. There is a passage that says you don't destroy a mosque or fight from it unless your enemy has taken it. This was not the case with the Shia shrine. Also Muslims aren't to fight Muslims. Not that that has stopped some who call themselves Muslim, sadly. Guess I'll start calling them MINOs-Muslims in name only......

[mom cat]

3. I doubt if the bombing had Muslim roots.

[greyl]

5. "Muslims aren't to fight Muslims"

They are to fight non-believers, right.
The way around that "law" is shown in your last sentence:
"I'll start calling them MINOs-Muslims in name only"
So, all a violent extremist Muslim needs to do to justify killing someone else is believe there victim isn't a true Muslim.
Right?

[BushOut06]

7. They aren't supposed to fight Christians or Jews either

They're supposed to "tolerate" or whatever the term is these two groups. Muslims, Christians, and Jews all worship the same God, albiet differently. They all consider themselves descendants of Abraham. Christians and Jews are not considered "infidels" according to the Quran. I forget how they're supposed to be treated, whether they can be taxed or not.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

8. As I understand it,

non Muslims who lived in a Muslim state (at least during the height of Islamic power) were required to pay a special tax-but they weren't required to serve in the army. I believe the tax was to help support the army. They were allowed to worship in their own way. Rumi has poems talking about going to the Christian quarter of the city where they made wine.

[genie_weenie]

18. Dhimmi status

It was second class status, T]the treatment of dhimmis varied over time and space, mostly depending on a goodwill of the ruler.

A dhimmi (also zimmi, Arabic ذمي, usually translated as "protected") is a non-Muslim subject of a state where Islamic law is implemented. Dhimmis were officially allowed to practice their religion in return for accepting multiple legal disabilities as well as paying special taxes.

[951-Riverside]

9. I doubt any muslim would bomb a mosque especially at this time

Its something an outsider would do so cause a civil war to they can force the trust of iraqis and take their oil without being questioned.

I think the CIA understands we're losing too many people in this stupid war and they think by bombing a mosque it will take the iraqis attention off attacking them and instead turn around and attack each other.

[flashdebadge]

11. yea they wouldn't riot over cartoons either.

[951-Riverside]

17. They did and thats my point since they are unified

Why would they destroy a place they consider holy?

[ButterflyBlood]

24. Because not all consider it holy

It's only considered holy by one sect that the other sect considers idoltarers and heretics.

[flashdebadge]

25. a "mob mentality" will often do things that are very irrational.

[madrchsod]

4. maybe

i have read some bits from a site where the sunni`s and Shiite`s called each other some really vile things...the catholics and protestants in northern ireland but they don`t blow up each others churchs...

http://twentyfourstepstoliberty.blogspot.com/

http://www.aviraqi.blogspot.com/


http://baghdadtreasure.blogspot.com/

check these sites for their take on the bombings

[malaise]

6. Correct - this was done by those who want

more chaos. I have my suspicions.

[flashdebadge]

10. I can't imagine a Methodist blowing up a Baptist church. I mean it's fine

to disagree but if you worship the same God why would you blow up "his" house of worship just because you dislike the people who go there? These people are nuts!

[Jacobin]

13. Oh my dear

Google the Inquisition and the time of Henry VII

[flashdebadge]

14. speaking strickly about modern times.

[ButterflyBlood]

22. OK, how about this from only 8 years ago?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Volunteers

The Orange Volunteers (OV) are a break-away Loyalist paramilitary group in Northern Ireland.

The OV emerged during the 1998 Drumcree Crisis. when the Royal Ulster Constabulary and British army prevented members of the Portadown Orange Order and their supporters from returning to the town centre down the Garvaghy road. They are comprised largely of former Ulster Volunteer Force militants who disapprove of the Northern Ireland peace process. They are known for attacks on Catholic churches and businesses in Northern Ireland, in an attempt to prevent political settlements with nationalists. One of its first actions was a synchronised attack on 11 Catholic churches, justified by its then leader, Clifford Peeples, because they were "bastions of the Antichrist." Peeples later left the organisation and is now a pastor with the Elim Pentecostal Church. At the height of their activity they were known to have as many as 20 members, some of whom were experienced with munitions and bomb-making. Several pipe bomb attacks were attributed to them.

[Jacobin]

12. I would think not

If the wars between Christian sects is any guide, around Henry VII's reign in England, the catholics and protestants were killing each other and destroying each others stuff by the boatload. Something about the Pope telling Henry he couldn't get a divorce


Since the other side's gawd is no good, its okay to kill those who don't believe the same way you do.

[JVS]

20. VIII

[The_Casual_Observer]

15. Basic problem with questions like that is that you can't project

your value system.

[suffragette]

16. The French Wars of Religion lasted a long time

Catholics and Protestants (Huguenots) at each others' throats.

From wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Bartholomew%27s_Day_Massacre
The St. Bartholomew's Day massacre (Massacre de la Saint-Barthélemy in French) was a wave of Catholic mob violence against the Huguenots (French Protestants), under the authority of Catherine de Medici, the mother of Charles IX. Starting on August 24, 1572, with the assassination of a prominent Huguenot, Admiral Gaspard de Coligny, the massacres spread throughout Paris and later to other cities and the countryside, lasting for several months, during which as many as 70,000 may have been killed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huguenots
Tensions led to eight civil wars, interrupted by periods of relative calm, between 1562 and 1598. With each break in peace, the Huguenots' trust in the Catholic throne diminished, and the violence became more severe, and Protestant demands became more grand, until a lasting cessation of open hostility finally occurred in 1598. The wars gradually took on a dynastic character, developing into an extended feud between the Houses of Bourbon and Guise, which — in addition to holding rival religious views — both staked a claim to the French throne. The crown, occupied by the House of Valois, generally supported the Catholic side, but on occasion switched over to the Protestant cause when politically expedient.

The "lasting cessation" in 1598 didn't mean all was ok. Persecution came and went again for a very long time and many simply left France.

[ButterflyBlood]

19. The KKK claimed to be Christian

They didn't seem to have any problem burning black churches.

Also do you think Ian Paisley would be bothered at all by someone bombing the Vatican?

[Hekate]

21. What about the exceedingly bloody history of Europe?

Heretics -- Crusades -- Witches -- Spanish Inquisition --

For centuries the European Christians engaged in large amounts of bloodshed, ostensibly over religious bits that wouldn't turn anyone's head today. They not only killed each other wholesale, they sacked and destroyed each other's churches at a great rate.

This history is the reason the Constitution of the US mandates a secular civil government. We ignore this history at our peril.

Hekate

[JCMach1]

23. In the Middle-east, there is no separation of church and state

So, a purely secular act will take on religious overtones in a heartbeat.

As you guess, this is about power and who will have it (not religion).