Liberalism the true 'mental disorder'

[Wetzelbill]

Listen to what this clown has to say. It's from my school paper. Read the whole thing it's just dandy.

Liberalism the true 'mental disorder'

I found Gabriel Leake and Aaron Finke's letters pertaining to social illness quite amusing. However, both failed to hit the bull's-eye on what liberalism really is. Michael Savage said it best: Liberalism is a mental disorder. If not all, most liberals I have met are the most delusional, illogical, unrealistic people in the world. The self-proclaimed champions of open-mindedness and Either you support freedom of speech in full, or you don't support it at all.
compassion are nothing more than the champions of double standards and hypocrisy. In the end, liberals are nothing more than the very same things they accuse conservatives of being day-in and day-out: racist, closed-minded, homophobic, etc. Here are some examples that further illustrate how serious of a mental disorder liberalism really is, especially from some of the professors I have had in sociology and women's studies classes at the UA:


Sensitivity is more important than truth, and feelings are more important than facts.
http://wildcat.arizona.edu/media/paper997/news/2006/02/23/Opinions/Mailbag-1625109.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=wildcat.arizona.edu

[Mythsaje]

1. Oooh-boy...

What a load of offal.

How can anyone take this shit seriously?

[Wetzelbill]

20. that's what I think

when somebody builds up a nonexistent straw man and takes nutty potshots at it there is just no way I can take it seriously. I almost thought it was satire it's so ridiculous.

[Mythsaje]

31. A fellow author and I were debating

a couple of weeks ago. She's a conservative...more of a Libertarian, really, and I pretty much blew her away...she was amazed at how knowledgable and fact-based my arguments were, and agreed with many of the conclusions I had with our current state of affairs in this country.

She disagrees somewhat on what to do about it, but that's another argument entirely. As I told her, I don't believe turning over our decision-making ability to corporate entities is any wiser than turning it over to government, and I truly think that's what the neocons, and, to a great extent, the Libertarians are about.

Being on DU and listening to Thom Hartmann has REALLY honed my skills in this regard.

The idea of some yutz calling ME irrational is ludicrous.

edited to fix a typo

[Wetzelbill]

38. that's the thing about being a writer

I read so much that my skills have become well-honed too. I have a conservative friend and I just give him beat downs regularly. It's not pretty, haha. He don't even challenge me anymore.

I think the basis of what these anti-government Republicans are for is pro-business neo-liberalism. Stuff like Free-Trade are decent ideas, but in reality you got people who rig the game and take advantage of the system. It's not wise to subject our lives to corporate entities. The decisions become too one-sided. That supply-side economics has become so predominant is an amazing study in the power of greed on society.

[Mythsaje]

40. Right...

and supply-side economics have a glaring flaw in that if all the money goes up to the "movers and shakers" it freezes the markets in the U.S. because all the employees don't have enough money to spend on the things they manufacture or the services they provide. Money at the bottom is spent, creating jobs. Money at the top is being invested overseas, or put in tax-deferred accounts.

How does that help our economy?

[Jade Fox]

2. The clown needs to read this......

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/07/22_politics.shtml

[Kierkegaard]

4. He will probably need to spend a couple minutes with

'Hooked on Phonics' before attempting anything more than remedial reading.

[bliss_eternal]

12. I LOVE that link--

I bookmarked it, when another DU'er cited it in a thread asking if Conservatism is a personality disorder. LOL! He provided some great links.

Here's another one I like.

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/10/27_lakoff.shtml

Hi Wetzelbill--good to see you! :hi:

[Wetzelbill]

21. good to see you too

:pals:

[bliss_eternal]

27. How's school?

:hug: :pals:

[Wetzelbill]

32. oh not bad

I'm getting along ok enough. Not overly excited about any of my classes, a few are pretty good, but I was hoping they'd be better. Like my Foreign Policy class, it's one of my favorite topics, but the class itself is so-so. Other than that, I'm just plugging away. :)

[bliss_eternal]

35. Glad to hear that--

also glad you have some time to visit here--miss seeing you! :)

[Wetzelbill]

16. awesome link Jade

:)

[Flabbergasted]

3. Why the hell is this appropriate for a school newspaper!

He would be quite welcome as a propagandist in Russia at one time!

[Der Blaue Engel]

8. It's just the mailbag

And it falls under that "mental disorder" we have of believing all free speech is guaranteed by the Constitution. :)

[Flabbergasted]

10. Ok good point on that one. But I was asking more about the

parameters of the paper?

[Wetzelbill]

23. no real parameters

I used to be a columnist, they let me cuss and everything, haha.

[Der Blaue Engel]

26. Maybe it was the front page article topic that prompted it?

Activists debate free expression on Mall

It's a college newspaper, and they cover current events, both local and elsewhere. I'm not sure I understand what you're asking.

[Wetzelbill]

9. it's been getting ugly lately

some guy wrote a letter to the editor about homosexuality being a mental disorder and in the ensuing fallout assorted wackos have been popping up. The U of AZ has an independent newspaper, they don't rely on the school financially so they print pretty much anything if they think it's newsworthy. They've been showing lots of nuts lately that's for sure.

[Der Blaue Engel]

5. How embarrassing that this clown went to my alma mater

And how interesting that this "alumnus" had numerous classes in sociology and women's studies. He sounds like the kind of ass I encountered in women's studies all the time: there for the sole purpose of being an ass and whining about how white men are "the only group allowed to be persecuted" anymore.

Please. :eyes:

[Wetzelbill]

11. I feel that, I'm still there

I'm a Blackfeet Indian and I take Indian studies classes and every once in a while you get some white guy just as you described, it's laughable. I was lucky, my women's studies class a few years ago was great. Everybody in there was cool. If I had this guy in a class I'd probably punch him out. :)

[Der Blaue Engel]

18. I'm starting to think I *did* have him in a class

His name sounds really familiar. He could be the very ass I was describing. I'll have to see if he's in my yearbook.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. Let me guess. He's a business major.

Complete with brief case and pocket protector.

[Wetzelbill]

13. I think he was a sociology major

one of those kind that get their panties in a bunch because the professors don't stand up and say crazy shit all lecture so they denounce them as "librul."

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

19. Wow! Things have really changed since my college days.

Sociology majors were more "Red" than even we merely "Radical" History majors.

[Wetzelbill]

22. every once in a while

you get a guy who just sits and seethes in class because nobody else is as nuts as he is, haha. Usually they are pretty much Lefties, but you get the odd RW nutjob just like anywhere else, I guess.

[FreedomAngel82]

25. Seriously??

And he is making this claim? :eyes:

[Wetzelbill]

29. yeah it's the same reason why

guys like Brit Hume think the rest of the media is so liberal. If somebody isn't a blatant far right shill or crazy then they think they are liberal. These same people call John McCain liberal. Hell, I heard Coulter call Zell Miller liberal, talk about wackjobs.

[Skittles]

7. Michael Savage said it best?

that about says it all :puke:

[Wetzelbill]

14. yeah, since when has that guy said anything the "best"?

:)

[sable302]

15. I've seen this thing before

only it was my college paper and it was about a decade ago. This stuff never changes, it keeps getting recycled.

[Wetzelbill]

24. it's amazing

how they churn out the same BS over and over and in slightly different forms. Same mindset, just a different time.

[FreedomAngel82]

28. Never an original idea huh?

[LynnTheDem]

17. Yeah that Jesus Christ fellow was a fucking lunatic.

Insane, totally mental.

Rightwingnuts; Stupidest MFers on the planet.

[Che_Nuevara]

30. Haha awesome. What a moron.

This one's a gem: "Gays should not have to be open-minded towards having straight sex but straight people should be open-minded towards having gay sex."

[Mythsaje]

33. My only response to that is

Huh?

WTF is he trying to say?

[SammyWinstonJack]

34. Projecting? Sure sounds like he is. Oh and lying too. Typical repug

traits.

[ochazuke]

36. In the late 70's Jerry Rubin said conservatism was a mental disorder

So maybe Savage and Coulter saying liberalism is a mental disorder is a sign of peaking conservative power, just as liberalism was peaking in the 70s.

[teryang]

37. The totalitarian meme "liberalism equals mental disorder"

Also, "liberalism" is weak (feminine) and not strong (man with "balls"). This is the old Goebbels line repeated ad nauseum on new years day speeches, year after year, even as the Third Reich went down the tubes.

"Liberalism equals mental disorder" is more characteristic of the Soviet totalitarian approach. In the Nazi approach "liberalism equals a character disorder of the weak, including Jews, Gypsies, homosexuals, and other "weak" groups such as "effete and defeatist intellectuals."

These zingers and jingos, are ad hominen attacks in essence, using stereotype, hyperbole, straw men, and mischaracterized and inaccurate portrayal of debate perspective.

[Wetzelbill]

39. you hit the nail on the head

couldn't agree with you more.

[EC]

41. My boss who is a Republican, Rush and company listener

started with me on some of these points this guy makes...I asked him if he really believed that, and if he did, to site just one person in his real life that was liberal and behaved like he was stereotyping liberals to be...(not stories he's "heard" but real life experiance...he then had to admit to me, he didn't know anyone like that...I had to teach him the difference between Pro-choice and Pro-Abortion...he really couldn't see the difference, until I told him that I don't believe in abortion, but didn't feel it was my right or destiny to tell another woman how she should believe, he said that's how he felt too, so I said then you are Pro-Choice...he understood it then...

Oh, he should look up the meaning of freedom...it is all or nothing..

[Wetzelbill]

42. I know a guy who can't understand

that personally I'm relatively conservative, but politically I am more liberal. I told him a million times, that I am celibate, religious etc, on a personal level. Yet, he flips out that politically I am pro-choice and other liberal tenets. He can't differentiate that stuff, no matter how much I explain it to him. He also cannot fully grasp that I am not for abortion, yet pro-choice. I practically have to hammer it in his head for him to get it, he's so stubborn. It's tough to rationalize with some people who only attack nonexistent stereotypes and strawmen.

[EC]

46. They just cannot understand, that it is not our place to tell

someone else how to live. If they are totally fundie, I just point out that they are playing God.

On edit: and that people have to accept God, not have it pushed down their throats...

[AspenRose]

43. So let me get this straight...we're either pointy-headed, snobby,

"east coast" brainy intellectuals out of touch with the rest of the country....or we're "delusional, illogical and unrealistic."

Which is it?

[Wetzelbill]

44. in crazy world

we are a little bit of everything. :)

[Art_from_Ark]

45. So what do these clowns think of people who propose

Russian-style gulags in America?

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/oreilly061801.asp

[Zhade]

47. Probably a couple of DLC apologists here who'd agree.

Of course, they yearn for the return of the racist Dixiecrats, so fuck 'em.