CNN Headline: We Had A Miracle Taken Away

[stopbush]

http://www.cnn.com/

Er, no you didn't. There was no "miracle." What there was was a rumour that spread among the families that got passed along as truth by the media.

What actually happened was that the laws of physics and biology - fed by the safety violations of a coal mine - took their natural course and these poor souls ended up dead.

It's an interesting window into the mind set of people who are extremely stressed and angry...and feeling quite betrayed by their belief system.

[Cocoa]

1. why did God want those miners to die?

they're not even from Dover, PA.

[Peanutcat]

3. Ouch!

:hurts:

[Loonman]

2. No you didn't

You took the word of a "Red Cross worker" that nobody can seem to find now and ran with it for the "scoop" without pesky corroboration. Assholes.

[politicaholic]

4. Disappointing and tragic...

I don't understand that, if a single guy lived, then why isn't it still a miracle?

[stopbush]

7. It is in the "he made a lame man blind" sort of way.

Once again, the media fabricates the happy talk and jumps the gun. Overshadowed is what might be seen as a ray of hope - one person survived (even if it was less a miracle and more a matter of circumstances) - because the media had to go for the whole enchilada (think Pat Tillman or Jessica Lynch) rather than confirming the facts before running with the speculation.

[no_more_rhyming]

26. If miracles work for one,

then why not anyone or every one?

[Warpy]

5. Hope is what turned a call that said "We found them"

into "we found them ALIVE." It's very understandable.

May the mine owners and their GOP enablers rot in the hell they designed for their workers.

[The_Casual_Observer]

6. It was pathetic, those people were singing joyous bible hymns

and praising Jesus for the the "miracle". Later on, fights broke out in the church, and apparently somebody tried to burn the church down. So much for Jesus I guess.

[stopbush]

9. I imagine it would be too much to hope that this sorry incident

might cause a few of these true believers to question the religious pabla they've been ingesting for years.

Fat chance.

[ObSeeKweeUs]

20. Tremendous grief is not 'pathetic'.

I think that if we all take a moment to really sit and think it over, we'd understand the chaos, unbearable grief, and desperation these people must've felt and NOT judge them, or try to back up one of our talking points. I know it would hurt me to read anything flip had I been the mother, wife, or daughter of any of the men who died.

If we make any comment about the families of the men in the mine, it should be with an eye towards reaching out--I mean, it hasn't even been half a DAY since they were found.

[SoCalDem]

27. I seriously doubt that the families are online looking for comments..flip

or otherwise...


Even when it seemed as if only one had died, I grieved for that family..even in the happiness of the apparent survival of the others..

The outrage is the idiots like "Kermita" Cosby & Anderson Cooper et al for breathlessly announcing facts not proven..

They wanted to be FIRST with the news, more than accurate with the truth..shame on them..The families saw it on CNN/MSNBC, so they assumed it was true..It HAD to be, right??right??

Proves the point as poignantly as possible..people believe what they see on TV.even the blatant propaganda that passes for news..

[ObSeeKweeUs]

31. I agree with you...

...but that's not what the poster said.

In his post, the people of the town and the families of the dead were called 'pathetic' because they sang hymns and practiced their religious faith. In the end, when the true facts were brought to them, they were understandably in agony and lashed out at the nearest thing. For that, the poster implied they were acting hypocritically or that their faith didn't amount to much. THAT'S what I was commenting upon.

No, the surviving town and people probably are not on the Internet looking for commentary--but what if they were and ran across his post? It might be better to err on the side of kindness, at least for a few days. I try not to base my actions on what I assume other people will, or won't be doing; everyone needs an internal compass for that.

[The_Casual_Observer]

28. Apparently the services of the local SWAT team were requested.

Praise the lord.

[ObSeeKweeUs]

33. So?

Were it my husband in that mine--and I had just waited an eternity to hear any news with virtually no sleep--and then to hear he had died, SWAT might have to be called out for me, too.

Perhaps this is a day where we should understand that.

[The_Casual_Observer]

35. Pathetic

[nonconformist]

39. You have got to be fucking kidding me

Easy to judge someone's pain and agony while sitting in front of your goddamn monitor, isn't it?

[malaise]

8. The fugging lunatics have taken over

Whether we like it or not, there is going to be a miracle. :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

[Ron Green]

10. CNN's goal: We want to shrink rational public discourse down to the size

where we can drown it in a bathtub.

[Jara sang]

11. Thank you, I'm glad somebody said it.

K&R. So now do those people believe they were smited by their god? Please.

[Critters2]

12. You really

see this as an opportunity to be smug and superior? How sad for you.

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[longship]

13. Fundies are weird.

They believe in miracles when people are rescued, but they won't hold their gods accountable when people die.

[Lindacooks]

16. See, then it was God's will. God wins both ways.

That's what happens when people aren't taught logic and reasoning skills.

[theHandpuppet]

23. Bingo!!!

All of the credit yet none of the accountability. God's got it made.

[KitchenWitch]

24. Not to be deliberately difficult

but do you really thing logic and reasoning skills can actually be taught?

[Lindacooks]

40. I think it's possible. If you start young enough, certainly.

I went to a fundie parochial school and was very conservative until I hit college and was taught how to think and reason.

[Nutmegger]

15. One person survived, it's still a miracle

One thing that really got me PO'ed was the fact that the media was all up in arms because someone lied about it. (or their words, a "miscommunication"). Um, heeeellllooooooo, Iraq was based on lies media!!!:grr::grr::grr::grr:

[Flubadubya]

17. So, that's what they are calling bad reporting now...

:eyes::shrug:

Disgusting!

[Connie_Corleone]

18. There are no miracles. Shit happens.

Sometimes shit happens that shouldn't, due to corporate greed or negligence.

God didn't have anything to do with it.

[KT2000]

19. CNN and religion

They have been falling all over themselves lately, trying to inject God, miracles and blessings into their news stories. They ran with the miracle and then engaged in the language of religion to cover the story. They showed themselves to be hosts instead of journalists.
Anderson Cooper screwed up big time.

[LSK]

21. CNN real headline - we refuse to go after the REAL STORY

Abramoff / Cronyism

[qanda]

22. I believe in miracles

And I understand those families holding out every hope that their loved one was still alive. If it were my family member I would have been right there with them praising God for the news that there was hope. The media on the other hand should stick to reporting and instead of being sensational with "Miracle in the Mine" headlines, they should have been searching out every possible source for concrete verification before reporting a rumor as truth. They are as much to blame for the confusion as anyone and someone should lose their job.

[sweetheart]

25. physics and biology? .. how about "unfettered kapitalism"

There better be some corporate killing trials for this, negligent homicide is still a crime
even if bush gets away with it.

[William Bloode]

29. I saw someone on one of the news channels,

Stating they were not sure there was a god or Jesus anymore.

So much for faith i reckon.

[stopbush]

30. Faith - like many things in America - is miles wide and an inch deep.

As long as it's benign and "let's all get along," it's fine. When tragedy strikes close to home, that's another thing.

Nothing wrong with being a Doubting Thomas, especially when it hits home.

Free yourself from the shackles of religion!

[William Bloode]

37. See post 36. n/t

[Mountainman]

32. I believe in miracles. This wasn't one.

Miracles happen all the time. Maybe it's coincidence, maybe it's truth a belief in positive thinking.

I do believe that you can put positive thoughts out there which set into motion the things that need to happen to make the positive action happen. I've experienced it hundreds of times in my life but I can't explain it nor do I even care to.

[sproutster]

34. Geeze Louise... Why can't people have faith and believe?

There is NOTHING wrong with faith in a higher power.

When my father died in a small plane accident, we were initially told that he was alive and my uncle had died.

They were wrong, and I was ANGRY. Red hot furious pissed and cussed the Father from my church out. But ya know what - It came to me later that we are so insigifigant ... We are not immortal. That has nothing to do with faith and belief.

My faith and belief has more to do with kindness and what you do to make it better during our time here on earth. I do not believe when I die it's all over. I don't know that there will be a reward, but I think where I end up will have a lot to do with how I chose to live and love.

Amen people. :)

(AND NOTHING OF THAT CAME TO MIND WHEN THEY TOLD ME THEY WERE WRONG!!! I HOPE NONE OF YOU SMUG PEOPLE EVER HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT PARTICULAR MINDF*CK)

[William Bloode]

36. Hahahaha!

I used to have faith and believe, but my life was never anything but hell on earth. I never found peace till i freed myself from the shackles of GAWD!

[Catherine Vincent]

38. I heard just now on Olberman when they interviewed a lot of the

relatives, they all said some guy came out screaming "it's a miracle, they're alive!". That's who they should look for. Who was this guy?

[LittleClarkie]

41. Somehow I don't feel like dissecting these people

They went from a tremendous high to the depths of hell in a few short hours.

My heart goes out to them.