I never cease to overestimate the moral character of *

[undeterred]

I've despised him since I first heard of the remarks he made regarding Karla Faye Tucker's execution. I have no respect for the man at all. But every year I find out something which is even worse about him. The warrantless spying is the last straw.

How could this man of such low moral fibre even be nominated for president?

[TallahasseeGrannie]

1. I've given that a lot of thought

because I happily assumed Al Gore would be President for eight years. And.. then... this...man. What the hell?

But I think he sneaked in the back door (and I am not talking stolen elections because I have no idea whether they were or weren't..I have no facts and my opinion isn't worth much) because he just came out of nowhere and had no history. Except a famous daddy and a name that opened doors.

In America we like the clean slate now and then. And we thought this guy (or some folks did, evidently) was clean.

George Bush snookered America, I believe.

[Jara sang]

2. He used to stand up on tables drunk at parties and moon people.

When he was involved in the College Republicans. What a heathen. What a barbarian.

[Thtwudbeme]

3. Yep, and now he is "mooning" the entire world

what a jackass this ridiculous little man is.

[undeterred]

5. He's a spoiled rich brat

who you might expect to have a role in the family business but never succeed at anything he was truly in charge of.

Its too bad the Bushes consider the presidency their family business.

[Arkansas Granny]

4. I believe he was groomed as the presidential nominee because

of his name recognition and the fact that PNAC could use him to reach the goals that they had tried to achieve since Bush I was in office. It was all part of a larger plan for world domination by a select few.

Should I be wearing my tin foil hat?

[undeterred]

6. No, I think you're right

The one thing I always thought about him is that he is spectacularly unambitious. Look at Clinton or Gore or Kerry or Dean or any of the Dem wannabe president types and you find individuals of immense intelligence and ambition. Look at George and you see someone who wants all of the power and none of the work.

[madokie]

8. not at all, and yes he is only a tool, an evil tool, a bad tool,but a tool

none the less

[acmejack]

9. No, you're absolutely correct on this one!

[PurpleChez]

12. But couldn't they have groomed Jeb?

He's relatively articulate and seems to be able to read. And he believes all their crap -- even helped formulate it. Folks will say that W is PNAC's empty vessel, their Zoolander, but why did they pick a simpleton who could be manipulated when they could have had his competent brother who already believed the same shit anyway and didn't need to be manipulated? Ah well....

[PurpleChez]

7. I've said it before and I'll say it again...

but this man could be caught on videotape molesting make-a-wish kids in a bathroom at disneyland and all he would have to do would be to stare into the news cameras, make his eyes all big, grin, and simply say "Jesus" -- and NASCAR Nation would instantly forgive every sin -- in fact, they'd probably find a way to blame the kids for tempting such a godly man. We've all got double standards when it comes to how we see 'our guys' vs. 'their guys.' But the double standards developed by the Thugs in support of bushCo have long since reached a level that strikes me as psychotic. The description of them as bushbots or rushbots is apt -- they will do whatever they are told, think whatever they are told.

[Arkansas Granny]

10. I have asked this question of many people and have yet to get

an answer. What has Bush done to convince anyone that he is the godly man that they think he is? As far as I can tell, he has claimed to be a "born again Christian", but I can't see anything in his behavior that supports that claim.

[PurpleChez]

11. I know!

In the 2004 campaign we kept hearing that * was the Only One who could do this or that, the only one strong enough, etc., etc. And I kept yelling "Based on WHAT???!!!??? What has this buffoon done to display all of these marvelous traits???" * was, arguably, the least qualified man ever to enter the Presidency; the idea that he has some special -- even unique -- qualifications is absurd. If he could be trained for the job so could my dog. And he's never killed anyone.

[dad]

15. WHY The fuck do you have to bring NASCAR into this??

I know lots of NASCAR fans who fucking hate Bush, so step off.

[PurpleChez]

16. What the fuck part of the country are you from? Sounds like heaven.

I don't doubt that there are race fans that don't like Bush, but in my corner of the American Southeast "W" stickers are synonymous with magnetic ribbon decals displayed sideways are synonymous with "In Memory of '3'" stickers. And '8'. And '24'. And all of the other numbers pasted all over their cars and trucks by people who take their enjoyment of racing WAY TOO SERIOUSLY. (Your reaction reminds me of some the sports nuts I have known: tell 'em you don't believe in their god and they'll be OK, but tell 'em you don't follow the Steelers and the flip freaking out.) Please don't tell me that my post was the first time you've seen NASCAR and Rethugs linked -- it was an issue in the 2004 campaign for pete's sake (although Dem Senator Graham also campaigned at races).

[Tesha]

18. (Probably because there are ten times as many NASCAR fans...)

> WHY The fuck do you have to bring NASCAR into this??
> I know lots of NASCAR fans who fucking hate Bush, so step off.

Probably because there are ten times as many NASCAR fans
who *LOVE* Bush. Not all stereotypes are wrong.

Tesha

[mwb970]

20. Every NASCAR fan I know is also a Bushbot.

I don't know what brings these two things together, but there is something about cars roaring around in circles that attracts right-wingers. Saying it ain't so don't change nothin'.

[PurpleChez]

21. Thank you!

I don't want to waste too much time debating a fellow DU'er about something that was an incidental part of a posting, but I challenge anybody to go into a blue collar bar in my region while they're televising a race -- hell! go into ANY bar in this region while they're televising a race -- and find three Kerry voters or a single Cindy Sheehan supporter. Again, I'm sure not EVERY race fan is a bushbot but it is highly disingenuous to deny that NASCAR doesn't fit into the whole Toby Keith, Shockin' Y'all, war fetishist, go team, kill an ay-rab for Jesus subculture that still has a decent portion of the country in its grips. It's a cyclical, self-reinforcing thing: every little bit helps the bushbots convince themselves that they're right, because they watch, read, listen to the Right Things. I have very good friends who are race fans and, sorry to say, this pegs them: they would seem to be pro-legalization live-and-let-live libertarians, but when it comes to voting it's GOP all the way. ALL THE WAY.

[leftofthedial]

13. because repukes and the religiously insane

have no moral fibre either

[lpbk2713]

14. How could this man of such low moral fibre even be nominated for president

Easy. He was the best the rethugs had to offer at convention time.

[StraightDope]

17. Your first mistake was thinking that * had a shred of decency...

In the first place. Once you realize that for all intents and purposes, the man has no sense of right and wrong, and by extension, no soul, then it's easy to not get shocked at his ever more egregious actions.

SD

[Sydnie]

19. I think that they thought that Poppy would keep him in line

I honestly believe that. I think that they thought they would have a younger body to sport around for photo ops, but that poppy would really be running things through blivet**. That might have been how it started out but blivet** didn't want to play along. He wanted to set himself apart for poppy and better him in history's eyes. Then he got really out of control.

Sort of like the movie DAVE. They get this imposter to fill the seat thinking they can control him by telling him what to do but he fools them all and does what he wants anyway because, well, he IS the President after all. He started to beleive his own press and when it was bad, he bought better.